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Can a Christian vote for unlimited abortion?

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  • #2402
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,573 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    Bob_Marley wrote: »
    funny how if a Catholic/Christian contradicts their faith in a way that pleases you in the taking of human life, they are great Catholics/Christians, but if they contradicted it in another way you'd be the first to judge them.

    You assume too much,
    I won't judge them regardless what they do. I just find it insulting that some here decide who is a Christian or not


  • #2403
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,573 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    Bob_Marley wrote: »
    Then you go to another pharmacy. If an individual shopkeeper refuses to sell you something, it does not mean it is not available. What strawman is next, a shop is closed ?

    Very few pharmacys are often open late or on Sundays, I know at least 3 women who've been refused them based on the pharmacys religious beliefs.

    So it's a case of somebody being forced into a situation by a religious person against their will.


  • #2404
    uck51js9zml2yt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    Cabaal wrote: »
    Very few pharmacys are often open late or on Sundays, I know at least 3 women who've been refused them based on the pharmacys religious beliefs.

    So it's a case of somebody being forced into a situation by a religious person against their will.
    And yet it's proposed that gps could refuse to assist an abortion based on moral grounds... where will it end?


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  • #2406
    Nick Park
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,573 ✭✭✭Nick Park


    Cabaal wrote: »
    You assume too much,
    I won't judge them regardless what they do. I just find it insulting that some here decide who is a Christian or not

    No, you find it insulting that anyone should have an opinion that is different from yours about how to define a 'Christian'.

    The fact that you get insulted by that reveals much more about yourself than it does about anyone else.

    I see myself as a Christian. Others don't see me as a Christian because I don't belong to what they believe to be the one true church. I don't find that insulting in the slightest. Each person is entitled to their own opinion.


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  • #2407
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Nick Park wrote: »
    Each person is entitled to their own opinion.

    Except for when it comes to control of their own reproductive organs.


  • #2408
    Nick Park
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,573 ✭✭✭Nick Park


    david75 wrote: »
    Ps if you could show me even one instance ad article clip or quote etc of anyone from the pro life campaign organising to raise awareness for the homeless children in our state? I’d love to see it.

    Surely with their considerable fundraising abilities and media reach we would have heard at least one pro life campaign member take some time to talk about their tireless efforts and naturally disclose the amount they had raised to help?

    I am a pro-life campaigner, I have written two books on the abortion issue and am currently speaking at pro-life events around the country. I am also someone who was homeless as a juvenile. As such, I have been actively involved in raising awareness of homelessness, including homeless children.

    You want links? https://www.idonate.ie/fundraiser/11367236_nick-park-sleeping-rough-for-drogheda-homeless-aid.html

    As part of the sponsored sleep out I was interviewed on two radio stations where I spoke about the particular impact of homelessness on families and children.

    I also organised an event in November at which Father Peter McVerry conducted a workshop on homelessness and spoke at length about the problem of homelessness and children. http://www.vox.ie/001/2017/10/18/equipping-the-church-to-transform-communities

    Many of the people who supported and participated in these initiatives are also involved in pro-life issues.

    Also, I know many people who are involved greatly in combatting homelessness who are also strongly supportive of the pro-life cause.

    As someone who has personal experience of childhood homelessness, I find it absolutely despicable that you would attempt to cynically exploit the issue homeless children to falsely portray those of us who are concerned about the rights of the unborn child as somehow not caring for homeless children.


  • #2409
    Nick Park
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,573 ✭✭✭Nick Park


    WhiteRoses wrote: »
    Except for when it comes to control of their own reproductive organs.

    Not at all, you are perfectly entitled to your opinion on that subject. And I will defend your right to hold and express your opinions.


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  • #2411
    Nick Park
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,573 ✭✭✭Nick Park


    ....... wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    I decided a long time ago that I should not use anonymous pen-names on online forums. That way I am more careful to check my facts and to think carefully about any claim or opinion I might post.


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  • #2413
    ABC101
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    ....... wrote: »
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    Perhaps you could post up your own images of medical abortion tools and implements.

    Given the fact that you object to these images are from a religious webpage, perhaps your own images would be different, or be more shiny and chrome perhaps.


  • #2414
    ABC101
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,118 ✭✭✭ABC101


    ....... wrote: »
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    Its strange that you would describe the second link as somebody who is having a dream.

    So please allow me to explain, the second link is about Stojan Adasevic who is possibly responsible for carrying out 48,000 terminations of human life.

    He has personally witnessed and actioned cutting up of babies, removed hearts still beating.

    In the former Yugoslavia abortion was even permitted on a born baby, as long as the baby did not make a sound. So immediately the baby was born, it could be turned upside down and drowned in a bucket of water. All perfectly legal as the cries / screams were not possible to be heard.

    A real nightmare reality, but real nonetheless.

    Nothing dreamy about it at all.


  • #2415
    Nettle Soup
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭Nettle Soup


    Nick Park wrote: »
    As someone who has personal experience of childhood homelessness, I find it absolutely despicable that you would attempt to cynically exploit the issue homeless children to falsely portray those of us who are concerned about the rights of the unborn child as somehow not caring for homeless children.

    To be fair Nick, I would say you are very much in the minority within the pro-life/pro-8th movement.


  • #2416
    uptherebels
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,079 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    end of the road wrote: »
    denial of facts and dehumanisation of the unborn.

    Eotr trying to complain about the denial of facts:rolleyes:


  • #2417
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,989 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    Nettle Soup wrote: »
    To be fair Nick, I would say you are very much in the minority within the pro-life/pro-8th movement.
    That's just a random statement, with no basis in fact at all.

    Even if it is true that pro-life campaigners don't generally campaign for homeless children....what of it? Why can a person not be interested in one cause, without being interested in every other cause out there? How would it devalue their work/interest in the particular cause they are interested in?

    Are you suggesting that restricting abortions leads to hordes of hungry orphans roaming the streets. Or maybe, like a previous poster in this thread suggested,the danger of famine?

    In fact, even with the 8th amendment in place, I'm not seeing an overpopulation problem. Nobody starves. No orphans forced to live in the streets.
    But there are childless couples (and singles) looking to adopt babies, and not finding any available.


  • #2418
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,533 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    ....... wrote: »
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    that would be against one's democratic right not to provide abortion services. any attempt to implement such nonsense would have to be faught and stopped for the good of society and to insure the gp can practice and cary out their democratic wishes.
    WhiteRoses wrote: »
    Except for when it comes to control of their own reproductive organs.

    no, just when it comes to killing another human being, the unborn.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



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  • #2420
    ABC101
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    ....... wrote: »
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    Ahhh... stop being so selective with the truth..... the implements ...... don't forget to include the real Cutting stuff!!


  • #2421
    Effects
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    ABC101 wrote: »
    Ahhh... stop being so selective with the truth..... the implements ...... don't forget to include the real Cutting stuff!!

    At first I thought you were joking. Now I see you're actually a bit deluded.


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  • #2422
    ABC101
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,118 ✭✭✭ABC101


    Effects wrote: »
    At first I thought you were joking. Now I see you're actually a bit deluded.

    Thanks for the ad hominem attack there "Effects".

    However I am very much aware of the "Effects" of an abortion on a baby human being.

    As the image in the previous post shows!


  • #2423
    Bob_Marley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 626 ✭✭✭Bob_Marley


    Cabaal wrote: »
    Very few pharmacys are often open late or on Sundays, I know at least 3 women who've been refused them based on the pharmacys religious beliefs.

    So it's a case of somebody being forced into a situation by a religious person against their will.

    You mean in realty forcing anyone against their will to assist with the taking of a human life. - I suppose that's the next plan, to force people you're bigoted against to assist with the killing of unborn children.


  • #2424
    Effects
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    ABC101 wrote: »
    Thanks for the ad hominem attack there "Effects".

    However I am very much aware of the "Effects" of an abortion on a baby human being.

    As the image in the previous post shows!

    You're actually deranged.


  • #2425
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,038 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    MOD NOTE

    ABC101 infracted for posting graphic image.

    Effects, consider this a warning to cease with the personal comments. "attack the post, not the poster".

    Thanks for your attention.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #2426
    Bob_Marley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 626 ✭✭✭Bob_Marley


    Why was one poster instantly infracted for posting a factual image of what an abortion actually consists of, but the other was only warned for continually personally attacking posters ?


  • #2427
    uck51js9zml2yt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    ....... wrote: »
    It wont end.

    There will always be people who get off on imposing their morals on others to cause suffering.
    Thanks
    Thankfully those people are in a minority.

    When providing a service those who object to various things on a moral basis should be forced to advertise this at their front door with a list of the next nearby pharmacists or doctors who will assist. Let them feel it in the wallet when people choose to go elsewhere because they dont wish to do business with bigots.
    Why not just make sure they wear yellow stars as they walk about on the street?


  • #2428
    Effects
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    Katie Full Leak wrote: »
    Why not just make sure they wear yellow stars as they walk about on the street?

    Because there's no need for that.


  • #2429
    david75
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    Nick Park wrote: »
    I am a pro-life campaigner, I have written two books on the abortion issue and am currently speaking at pro-life events around the country. I am also someone who was homeless as a juvenile. As such, I have been actively involved in raising awareness of homelessness, including homeless children.

    You want links? https://www.idonate.ie/fundraiser/11367236_nick-park-sleeping-rough-for-drogheda-homeless-aid.html

    As part of the sponsored sleep out I was interviewed on two radio stations where I spoke about the particular impact of homelessness on families and children.

    I also organised an event in November at which Father Peter McVerry conducted a workshop on homelessness and spoke at length about the problem of homelessness and children. http://www.vox.ie/001/2017/10/18/equipping-the-church-to-transform-communities

    Many of the people who supported and participated in these initiatives are also involved in pro-life issues.

    Also, I know many people who are involved greatly in combatting homelessness who are also strongly supportive of the pro-life cause.

    As someone who has personal experience of childhood homelessness, I find it absolutely despicable that you would attempt to cynically exploit the issue homeless children to falsely portray those of us who are concerned about the rights of the unborn child as somehow not caring for homeless children.



    i'm not exploiting anything..

    using images of new born babies and down syndrome children in the pro life campaign, THAT is exploitation, cynical, misleading and repugnant as usual from the PLC


  • #2430
    uck51js9zml2yt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    david75 wrote: »
    i'm not exploiting anything..

    using images of new born babies and down syndrome children in the pro life campaign, THAT is exploitation, cynical, misleading and repugnant as usual from the PLC

    Justifying the slaughter of unborn children is just as repugnant.


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  • #2431
    david75
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    Katie Full Leak wrote: »
    Justifying the slaughter of unborn children is just as repugnant.

    a foetus is not a child.
    forcing women to have birth is repugnant. no different than forcing young girls to undergo genital multilation, but hey, extreme religious views are stillconsistently attacking women and their bodies and its the year 2018.
    time to eradicate any and all kind of morality or belief coming near a womans personal health and personal space. meaning your beliefs have no place whatsoever in a womans womb.


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