Prime time - any predictions

Pinch Flat · 13-02-2018 9:49pm #1

Segment on RTÉ now. Prime time RTÉ 1.

Jaysus Mannix Flynn should get a bike and chill out.

SCOOP 64 · 13-02-2018 9:51pm

All car drivers, BAD.
All cyclist ,Good and Innocent.

Annie get your Run · 13-02-2018 9:53pm

I"m not watching until I know how good / bad a job they did on it!!!!!!

cython · 13-02-2018 9:55pm

Verona Murphy is a disgrace, the smug head on her bringing up the cyclist who died in the Phoenix Park :mad:

13-02-2018 9:57pm

blood boiling here :mad:

They just don't get it do they.

Pinch Flat · 13-02-2018 9:59pm

SCOOP 64 wrote: »

All car drivers, BAD.
All cyclist ,Good and Innocent.

My own experience differs. Some cyclists are bad, some motorists are bad. Bad motorists however have the potential to kill and maim.

magicbastarder · 13-02-2018 9:59pm

main take-away i have from this is that i hope they release the swear reel as a standalone video. fair play for them leaving all the profanity intact.

main issue i have (apart from the usual bolloxology from mannix flynn - who appears to be extraordinarily accident prone - and the road haulage spokesperson) was the supposed expert talking about mandatory cycle lanes, but clearly in the context of the responsibilities of cyclists.

alentejo · 13-02-2018 10:01pm

The RSA guy mentioned "solid white lined bike lanes" were mandatory - That is clearly incorrect and misleading

cython · 13-02-2018 10:03pm

magicbastarder wrote: »

main take-away i have from this is that i hope they release the swear reel as a standalone video. fair play for them leaving all the profanity intact.

main issue i have (apart from the usual bolloxology from mannix flynn - who appears to be extraordinarily accident prone - and the road haulage spokesperson) was the supposed expert talking about mandatory cycle lanes, but clearly in the context of the responsibilities of cyclists.

I had forgotten about that, so bad was some of the rest of it, but at the time I did remark to the OH here that his particular comments were downright dangerous, as he simply said mandatory and non-mandatory lanes, without any reference to implication of the word mandatory, which will almost certainly see many motorists jump to the conclusion of mandatory usage.

cython · 13-02-2018 10:04pm

alentejo wrote: »

The RSA guy mentioned "solid white lined bike lanes" were mandatory - That is clearly incorrect and misleading

They're mandatory in the legislation, so it is technically correct, but mandatory refers to drivers observation and adherence to them, not cyclists' usage of them, which as mentioned already is a dangerous omission on their part.

Hurrache · 13-02-2018 10:06pm

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Jaysus Mannix Flynn should get a bike and chill out.

From what he's waffled about tonight, he'd do a Brian Harvey and end up cycling over himself, he seems to get hit by something every time he steps outside his door.

Hurrache · 13-02-2018 10:07pm

cython wrote: »

Verona Murphy is a disgrace, the smug head on her bringing up the cyclist who died in the Phoenix Park :mad:

What a horrible grin on her face when she said it thinking she was point scoring.

Pinch Flat · 13-02-2018 10:08pm

Hurrache wrote: »

What a horrible grin on her face when she said it thinking she was point scoring.

I’m sure the family of the deceased would have been delighted to see that. She’s a nasty piece of work.

magicbastarder · 13-02-2018 10:09pm

maybe it's my inner snob coming out, but when i hear the word 'veh-hicle' i pay a little less attention to the speaker.

Hurrache · 13-02-2018 10:10pm

magicbastarder wrote: »

maybe it's my inner snob coming out, but when i hear the word 'veh-hicle' i pay a little less attention to the speaker.

What if you're asked for your inshurdence on your ve-hicle?

Wishbone Ash · 13-02-2018 10:11pm

I thought the representative from the Dublin Cycling Campaign (?) or whatever organisation it is. was embarrassingly poor. He had so many opportunities to rebut what was being said and provide counter arguments but just kicked to touch.

...and Verona Murphy reckons that safety gear will save you if hit by a truck. :rolleyes:

Spanish Eyes · 13-02-2018 10:12pm

They should just take a taxpayer funded jolly to Holland now. For the cycle stuff of course.

13-02-2018 10:13pm

I was pretty shocked to learn that only 800 girls cycle to school

droidus · 13-02-2018 10:19pm

I was surprised actually. Panel discussion was the usual BS, but the segment featured a lot of dangerous & reckless behaviour from drivers with only a few of the usual dodgy cycling clips at the end. Even the RSA gimp was unusually measured (by RSA standards).

Tenzor07 · 13-02-2018 10:22pm

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

I thought the representative from the Dublin Cycling Campaign (?) or whatever organisation it is. was embarrassingly poor. He had so many opportunities to rebut what was being said and provide counter arguments but just kicked to touch.

Damien is a gent, Mannix is a rabble rousing mouthpiece, and Veronica Murphy is an ignorant idiot... So in the context of that all, he did well against the illogical crap the other two sprout out!

magicbastarder · 13-02-2018 10:28pm

i was at the DCC meeting last night, and they mentioned that they'd been asked to send a representative in to the show - and they seemed to be taking a 'we're damned if we do, and damned if we don't' approach. they did not expect a fair debate, but felt that not appearing might mean the opposing side got more weight.

speaking of the opposing side, i'd love to know what logic was used in picking mannix flynn for the panel. no matter what you think of her, at least there's a tenuous excuse for having the road haulage association spokesperson there. mannix seems to have been chosen mainly on the basis that he's a mouthy, grumpy old pr1ck who is lucky to be alive.
i wouldn't want to live beside him, a plane must be due to crash land on his house by now.

Glass Prison 1214 · 13-02-2018 10:30pm

I thought the lady from the Road Haulage group came across as somewhat sociopathic, never blinking when talking about cyclists and bringing up with glee the Phoenix park cyclist.

Tenzor07 · 13-02-2018 10:31pm

magicbastarder wrote: »

mannix seems to have been chosen mainly on the basis that he's a mouthy, grumpy old pr1ck who is lucky to be alive..

Just be thankful they couldn't afford to have George Hook on the panel!

magicbastarder · 13-02-2018 10:32pm

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

I thought the representative from the Dublin Cycling Campaign (?) or whatever organisation it is. was embarrassingly poor. He had so many opportunities to rebut what was being said and provide counter arguments but just kicked to touch.

also, i guess he may just be weary of rising to the bait of 'BUT CYCLISTS ON FOOTPATHS', so just kept beating the drum of better infrastructure. could have been a deliberate policy.

Wishbone Ash · 13-02-2018 10:37pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I was pretty shocked to learn that only 800 girls cycle to school

I was amazed that there are 800 girls cycling to school. I live at the gates of a large secondary school and have yet to see a female cyclist going through.

jon1981 · 13-02-2018 10:45pm

Some of close passes caught on the cyclists cameras were frightening!

amcalester · 13-02-2018 10:47pm

jon1981 wrote: »

Some of close passes caught on the cyclists cameras were frightening!

I’m watching it on + 1 and the close passes have me on edge.

TheChizler · 13-02-2018 10:47pm

A couple of incorrect interpretations of the law thrown out in the film there. Said mandatory cycle lanes had to be used by cyclists for one.

Edit: Didn't realize I was watching on +1

jon1981 · 13-02-2018 10:50pm

amcalester wrote: »

I’m watching it on + 1 and the close passes have me on edge.

I'm a daily cyclist and i have had my close passes with cars but f**k me nothing like that. The motorist left zero room for error...one slip and the cyclist was dead.

13-02-2018 10:59pm

Wonder was it deliberate omitting any clips of a Dublin Bus being dangerous. I've seen plenty on here, and I'm sure they'd have had plenty submitted. /removes tin foil hat.

John_Rambo · 13-02-2018 11:04pm

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

I was amazed that there are 800 girls cycling to school. I live at the gates of a large secondary school and have yet to see a female cyclist going through.

Moronic uniforms I’m guessing.

07Lapierre · 13-02-2018 11:05pm

I dunno...by the end of the debate I almost felt sorry for the poor truck drivers!

13-02-2018 11:07pm

John_Rambo wrote: »

Moronic uniforms I’m guessing.

I was going to post back and mention that , I said it to my partner about low numbers of girls cycling to school and she said pretty much the same " Have you seen what they have to wear to school"

Pinch Flat · 13-02-2018 11:12pm

07Lapierre wrote: »

I dunno...by the end of the debate I almost felt sorry for the poor truck drivers!

Four tests they have their pass apparently. Obviously an IQ test is not one of them in a lot of cases.

Ah well, I’ll have all the requisite safety gear to keep HGV lady happy - helmet, hi vis and lights - that’ll protect me from those well qualified truck drivers in their 40 tonne vehicles, particularly if I’m cycling in the middle of the lane or on the white line.

Arcade_Tryer · 13-02-2018 11:13pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I was going to post back and mention that , I said it to my partner about low numbers of girls cycling to school and she said pretty much the same " Have you seen what they have to wear to school"

Always found it funny how school uniforms for females are far more conservative in Dublin than in rural parts of Ireland. Class is a hell of a thing!

Wishbone Ash · 13-02-2018 11:27pm

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Four tests they have their pass apparently....

I was wondering where she got four out of.

An artic licence (CE) can be had with 3 tests (B, C & CE) and a rigid with 2 tests (B & C) - presuming the candidate passes each test first time.

Eamonnator · 13-02-2018 11:33pm

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

I was wondering where she got four out of.

An artic licence (CE) can be had with 3 tests (B, C & CE) and a rigid with 2 tests (B & C) - presuming the candidate passes each test first time.

Annual CPC?

worker bee · 13-02-2018 11:39pm

There was absolute glee in the hauliers' representative's mention of a cyclist killed in the Phoenix Park.
I hadn't known about that accident and presumed from the smug way she said it that it must have been a drunk lunatic showing off and possibly on their phone. Someone who must have been a disgrace to all cyclists and a menace on the roads.
I've looked it up and it seems to have been a tragic accident involving a mature, regular cyclist.
She did herself no favours there - nor when she seemed to imply that cyclists are potentially holding the whole country to a crawl and preventing timely deliveries and impeding business.
And don't get me started on this 'cyclists don't pay road tax' rubbish. Every adult cyclist I know is also a tax-paying motorist.

jimmycrackcorm · 13-02-2018 11:54pm

worker bee wrote:

There was absolute glee in the hauliers' representative's mention of a cyclist killed in the Phoenix Park.

That was an absolute disgrace on her part. That cyclist was killed in a collision with a pedestrian in the cycle path, so I don't understand what her point was.

The one thing I took from it was that we should be told the causes of the cycling deaths last year, because the likes of Mannix Flynn is perpetuating the stereotype that is all the fault of misbehaving cyclists.

For every cyclist I see breaking a red light, I see ten times as many drivers doing that daily. Even one of the video examples showed a woman breaking a red light as cars turned right. However she was in a continuous cycle lane which in theory cars shouldn't be turning into anyway.

eeeee · 13-02-2018 11:56pm

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

Always found it funny how school uniforms for females are far more conservative in Dublin than in rural parts of Ireland. Class is a hell of a thing!

OT but when I was in school the nuns used to give out to us for our tiny skirts* and tell tales of how Dublin girls wore their skirts down to their knees and even their ankles. Also terrible tales of pleats and tartan. Poor Dubs

*one of the tests was to kneel down and the skirt had to touch the ground. We all used to roll them up after :pac:

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Four tests they have their pass apparently. Obviously an IQ test is not one of them in a lot of cases.

Commenting on the IQ of HGV drivers based on their representative is not ok. They are the group on the road I have the least dangerous incidents with. My father was a lorry driver, and several of my cousins are now HVG drivers. There is nothing wrong with their IQ.
For sure there are dangerous drivers amongst them, there's no doubt about that. Just as there are amongst any group of motorists.
I wince sometimes at what some cycling representatives say about cycling and cyclists.
No one group on the road are angels, cyclists included but insulting and entire group wholesale is not useful, and is exactly what others do to cyclists.

tomasrojo · 14-02-2018 2:52am

This show looked like a total crock, so I skipped it. Generally best to skip programmes that are titled things like "Road Wars".

CrowdedHouse · 14-02-2018 8:38am

I have to say in my rural experience I've rarely had a problem with trucks. ( I do try to minimise my time/distance on main roads though)

Chiparus · 14-02-2018 8:50am

nee wrote: »

OT but when I was in school the nuns used to give out to us for our tiny skirts* and tell tales of how Dublin girls wore their skirts down to their knees and even their ankles. Also terrible tales of pleats and tartan. Poor Dubs
*one of the tests was to kneel down and the skirt had to touch the ground. We all used to roll them up after :pac:

Commenting on the IQ of HGV drivers based on their representative is not ok. They are the group on the road I have the least dangerous incidents with. My father was a lorry driver, and several of my cousins are now HVG drivers. There is nothing wrong with their IQ.
For sure there are dangerous drivers amongst them, there's no doubt about that. Just as there are amongst any group of motorists.
I wince sometimes at what some cycling representatives say about cycling and cyclists.
No one group on the road are angels, cyclists included but insulting and entire group wholesale is not useful, and is exactly what others do to cyclists.

I would have the opposite experience, I have had a few close passes by HGVs ( usually 4 axle ones) where the truck was doing about 80kmph.

I agree about IQ , while the average IQ of truck drivers is lower , I dont think IQ and dangerous driving is necessarily related.

07Lapierre · 14-02-2018 8:53am

CrowdedHouse wrote: »

I have to say in my rural experience I've rarely had a problem with trucks. ( I do try to minimise my time/distance on main roads though)

Yep... truck driver usually give me plenty of room when overtaking.

https://youtu.be/JgY2b19x3sk

rollingscone · 14-02-2018 9:50am

tomasrojo wrote: »

This show looked like a total crock, so I skipped it. Generally best to skip programmes that are titled things like "Road Wars".

At least it gave us #ImportantGrownUpCarTantrums

jon1981 · 14-02-2018 9:50am

Deedsie wrote: »

We always hear references from other countries and how they are now totally pro cycling whereas at one time they were the congested mess that Irish towns and cities are.

How did these countries go about changing the attitude of drivers towards cyclists? I am sick of being treated with the same consideration of a puddle when a motorist is overtaking me. Its terrifying.

These countries you're alluding to also have amazing public transport systems. For some, a bicycle isn't an option and neither is our public transport given how dire it can be (strikes, unpredictable scheduling, congestion, not joined up, expensive for what it is). So I gather the attitude turned because people became less reliant on cars due to better cycling facilities AND public transport.

In Dublin for example, to build the kinds of cycling lanes Amsterdam or Copenhagen have, would require the DCC to remove a car lane on pretty much every road between the canals close to the city centre, we just don't have the width to built wide cycle lanes AND pedestrian lanes so some private mode of transport will have to lose for progress to be made.

LeinsterDub · 14-02-2018 9:54am

Deedsie wrote: »

We always hear references from other countries and how they are now totally pro cycling whereas at one time they were the congested mess that Irish towns and cities are.

How did these countries go about changing the attitude of drivers towards cyclists? I am sick of being treated with the same consideration of a puddle when a motorist is overtaking me. Its terrifying.

Infrastructure, have a look at this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUbsFtLkGN8

Macy0161 · 14-02-2018 9:55am

Deedsie wrote: »

We always hear references from other countries and how they are now totally pro cycling whereas at one time they were the congested mess that Irish towns and cities are.

How did these countries go about changing the attitude of drivers towards cyclists? I am sick of being treated with the same consideration of a puddle when a motorist is overtaking me. Its terrifying.

It was a concious decision in the likes of Holland and Denmark in the 60's, in light of the number of deaths of pedestrians and cyclists. Despite the myth of them having the space because of World War 2, most european cities were rebuilt as car focussed.

So the usual poppycock about not enough space compared to european cities is just an excuse - there's no issue with space here, there's only an issue of will. We can see how politicians and officials aren't prepared to grasp the nettle with the Liffey Cycle Route, College Green etc.

smacl · 14-02-2018 9:59am

John_Rambo wrote: »

Moronic uniforms I’m guessing.

This. My eldest, now in her leaving cert year cycles in all but the worst of weather. School attitude is appalling, not allowing stockings under the skirt or any jackets apart from the school one. Nor is there adequate locker space for a change of gear, so getting wet on the way in typically means staying wet. There is no incentive for kids to cycle to school in Dublin which IMO is a crying shame given their increasingly sedentary lifestyles. In addition to being good for the kids, reducing school-run traffic also has the potential to lower congestion for all other road users, so win-win really.

jon1981 · 14-02-2018 10:03am

smacl wrote: »

This. My eldest, now in her leaving cert year cycles in all but the worst of weather. School attitude is appalling, not allowing stockings under the skirt or any jackets apart from the school one. Nor is there adequate locker space for a change of gear, so getting wet on the way in typically means staying wet. There is no incentive for kids to cycle to school in Dublin which IMO is a crying shame given their increasingly sedentary lifestyles. In addition to being good for the kids, reducing school-run traffic also has the potential to lower congestion for all other road users, so win-win really.

It's probably a no win situation for the school.

1) They promote cycling and parents flip out because of how "lethal" it is to cycle and the school will be seen as negligent
2) They don't promote it and parents on the other side of the camp flip out because they want their kids to be encouraged to cycle.

Hurrache · 14-02-2018 10:04am

When I was in secondary school in Dublin, later 80s into the 90s, there was a proposal and vote put forward by the student body and that was that girls should be allowed to wear the same uniform as boys, i.e. trousers. It sailed through without issue from the student or school body. I'm surprised that some schools these days still insist on skirts for girls. It seems to me that it's mainly private or 'posher' schools, as they'd like to think of themselves, that maintain this standard.

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