Modern Malaise in Ireland

Intothesea wrote: »

In the meantime, if anyone has a genuine interest in discussing this with me, I'm available by private message.

Make sure your inbox has enough space in case loads of people try to message you at the same time.

Serious( ish ) answer :P. It's like trying to hold back the tide or trying to reverse urbanization and the growth of supercities, no policy noting governments or anything civil society can do is going to change the situation and any attempts are tinkering.

A lot of low paid employment is becoming more feminized for the simple reason that there has been a huge grown in care work/ support work which is both low paid and female dominated although there is nothing to stop more men doing the work. There is simply not the same need for heavy industry humans have used their skill and ingenuity to do things better quicker and with fewer people.

The other issue is that life is too easy for a lot of young people which robs them of a sense of achievement if everyone can go to third level it devalues the sense of achievement and so on.

Yes, I do understand young people are under all sort of other pressure we did not have to contend with such as social media.

mariaalice wrote: »

A lot of low paid employment is becoming more feminized for the simple reason that there has been a huge grown in care work/ support work which is both low paid and female dominated although there is nothing to stop more men doing the work.

Over the last few decades, there has been gradually increasing pushes to remove obstacles to females entering male-dominated industries, so much so that there is the change in social acceptance/perception of women into these roles. However, for men entering female-dominated sectors, while the law gives them the right, there is little social pressure for those females to accept males into these industries. (or the external obstacles like the belief about men becoming kindergarten/preschool teachers being inappropriate) So, there is both the associated social stigma (coming just as much from women as it is from other men), and also the lack of fear in treating men differently.

For example, a woman entering a male-dominated area would have the management falling over themselves to avoid any suggestion of discrimination. You wouldn't see the same reaction from the management in a female dominated industry towards a male.

The other issue is that life is too easy for a lot of young people which robs them of a sense of achievement if everyone can go to third level it devalues the sense of achievement and so on.

The lack of true value by employers of most University education is what devalues the sense of achievement unless you're graduating from a tier 1 university with all the pomp that goes with the reputation of said university. The general perspective on third level education has shifted as many courses have not stayed modern and rarely provide practical knowledge for the jobs themselves, with on-site training for new staff a must.

Although saying that, I still have a sense of pride in achieving my two bachelor degrees and my MBA... but such qualifications are relatively common these days.

Yes, I do understand young people are under all sort of other pressure we did not have to contend with such as social media.

Only if you're a slave to social media. Don't sign up to it, then you don't have to deal with it. Or better yet, use it in moderation... And life wasn't any easier 20-30 years ago without social media, you still had to deal with the gossip mongers and idiotic notions of others, which in many ways was worse since the community 'intelligence' was more pervasive...

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Over the last few decades, there has been gradually increasing pushes to remove obstacles to females entering male-dominated industries, so much so that there is the change in social acceptance/perception of women into these roles. However, for men entering female-dominated sectors, while the law gives them the right, there is little social pressure for those females to accept males into these industries. (or the external obstacles like the belief about men becoming kindergarten/preschool teachers being inappropriate) So, there is both the associated social stigma (coming just as much from women as it is from other men), and also the lack of fear in treating men differently.

For example, a woman entering a male-dominated area would have the management falling over themselves to avoid any suggestion of discrimination. You wouldn't see the same reaction from the management in a female dominated industry towards a male.



The lack of true value by employers of most University education is what devalues the sense of achievement unless you're graduating from a tier 1 university with all the pomp that goes with the reputation of said university. The general perspective on third level education has shifted as many courses have not stayed modern and rarely provide practical knowledge for the jobs themselves, with on-site training for new staff a must.

Although saying that, I still have a sense of pride in achieving my two bachelor degrees and my MBA... but such qualifications are relatively common these days.



Only if you're a slave to social media. Don't sign up to it, then you don't have to deal with it. Or better yet, use it in moderation... And life wasn't any easier 20-30 years ago without social media, you still had to deal with the gossip mongers and idiotic notions of others, which in many ways was worse since the community 'intelligence' was more pervasive...

Don't often say this as I am usually open to others opinions, but you are completely wrong there is a huge effort to get men to work in more female dominated areas and they are very much supported to do so the barriers are cultural noting else.

Expecting an employer to value a university education just because they should? really. That also goes to another point that is important the expectation that someone else other than themselves will fix the issue for them.

Got this from someone who works with teenagers, the big game changer with social media is that it is all-pervasive 24 hours a day, in former times if someone was having a hard time it didn't invade their home or bedroom they had a break from it.

mariaalice wrote: »

Don't often say this as I am usually open to others opinions, but you are completely wrong there is a huge effort to get men to work in more female dominated areas and they are very much supported to do so the barriers are cultural noting else.

I'm very open to being shown how I'm wrong. Any links to articles (or links to the initiatives themselves) about this huge effort to get men into female-dominated areas?

Expecting an employer to value a university education just because they should? really.

Except, that's not what I said..

Got this from someone who works with teenagers, the big game changer with social media is that it is all-pervasive 24 hours a day, in former times if someone was having a hard time it didn't invade their home or bedroom they had a break from it.

Maybe. You could easily be right. TBH I've avoided social media apart from a brief stint on facebook. I'm in my 40s and have little contact with teenagers.

Drop the politick speak, and people might be willing to discuss these things with you. As it stands, your posts are just too much effort.