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N13/N15 - Ballybofey/Stranorlar bypass [preferred route published; design underway]

  • 29-10-2009 11:04am
    #1
    L1011
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    http://www.nra.ie/RoadSchemeActivity/DonegalCountyCouncil/N15BallybofeyStranorlarBypass/SchemeName,16524,en.html

    This scheme, part of the Atlantic Corridor, has been refused by ABP according to todays Donegal Democrat. Its not on the Democrat website yet but it is definitely in the print edition (I've got it here).

    Ignoring it being part of the AC this was first proposed around the time I was born... and has been under proper planning since 2000. Its the last major traffic bottleneck in the county other than the realistically unfixable Letterkenny and the bypass and associated schemes would also have sorted some very poor roads around the twin towns.

    Will have to wait to see the ABP decision when it goes online next week, but odds on it being very stupid/petty are fairly high.
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  • #2
    johnbk
    Registered Users Posts: 230 ✭✭johnbk


    I find it hard to figure out what has happened with An Bord Pleanála. Here is Many Coughlans response.


    Tanaiste Mary Coughlan says Twin Towns Bypass must go ahead Oct 29, 9:14 am

    The Tanaiste Mary Coughlan has said every effort must now be made to ensure that the Ballybofey/Stranorlar bypass goes ahead following a decision by An Bord Pleanala to reject the current plans.

    There was wide spread shock at the announcement yesterday which is seen as a major setback for the by-pass which was due to open in 2013.

    An Bord Pleanála has called for the scheme to be redesigned and a new EIS to be carried out highlighting road safety and environmental protection as its principal concerns.

    Mary Coughlan has already spoken to the NRA and county manager to discuss the issue and says the problems identified must be addressed as soon as possible.

    http://www.highlandradio.com/news.php?articleid=000005096

    My views are my own.



  • #3
    Essexboy
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    You can read ABP's decision at http://www.pleanala.ie/casenum/HA0009.htm

    It reads to me as a major criticism of the NRA/Donegal County Council and that the route planning was poor and shoddy: it implies that the design was inadequate and unsafe.

    Meanwhile, I passed through the Twin Towns yesterday and traffic from the South was backed up almost as far as TSA Tyres. Crazy!


  • #4
    L1011
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    DCC aren't the best at safe road design - the junction that had to be redesigned on the N15 bit of the Donegal BP attests to this - but ABP doing an outright rejection over this isn't really precedented!

    I've been caught queuing in to Stranorlar to turn right from the N13 (towards Ballybofey) for thirty minutes before and theres usually mental queues on the N13 to turn right on to the N13 at the junction where the R road to Raphoe has priority.


  • #5
    Sponge Bob
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    The decision basically says that EVERY junction is crap and that Donegal Council had not done enough work prior to the application and instead hoped to get approval to fix their myriad mistakes during the detailed design process that would occur AFTER ABP gave a go ahead.

    It must further be noted that An Bord Pleanála were disgracefully and discourteously slow with their decision . They have sat on this like a pack of constipated hens for nearly two years.

    Jolly badly done to everybody :( , Donegal and An Bord , and my commisserations to those who periodically suffer from this balance of incompetence.

    We now face a three year period where the incompetents dick about with a second decision , that simply ain't good enough.

    Maybe they should get the Roscommon Design Office crew on the case as they have NOTHING TO DO right now . Tell them to **** off out of Moycullen where they are currently doing nothing useful :(


  • #6
    Essexboy
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    MYOB wrote: »
    DCC aren't the best at safe road design - the junction that had to be redesigned on the N15 bit of the Donegal BP attests to this - but ABP doing an outright rejection over this isn't really precedented!

    I've been caught queuing in to Stranorlar to turn right from the N13 (towards Ballybofey) for thirty minutes before and theres usually mental queues on the N13 to turn right on to the N13 at the junction where the R road to Raphoe has priority.

    Speaking of safety I wonder what the European Commission will conclude about DCC's road maintenance.
    http://oceanfm.ie/news/2009/11/02/eu-commision-to-hear-road-incident-evidence/


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  • #7
    serfboard
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    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    The decision basically says that EVERY junction is crap and that Donegal Council had not done enough work prior to the application and instead hoped to get approval to fix their myriad mistakes during the detailed design process that would occur AFTER ABP gave a go ahead.

    Agreed. It's an extraordinary slap on the wrist from one public body to another - basically ABP accusing DCC of incompetence.
    MYOB wrote: »
    I've been caught queuing in to Stranorlar to turn right from the N13 (towards Ballybofey) for thirty minutes before and theres usually mental queues on the N13 to turn right on to the N13 at the junction where the R road to Raphoe has priority.

    Have queued there myself on a few occasions. A very simple re-prioritising of the roads would fix this (Giving an N road priority over an R road - which one would intuitively expect should be the case anyhow). However, if they are as incompetent as ABP suggests they are, then don't expect this to happen.

    An example of how it can be done is in Ballinasloe. Traffic from the town used to have priority over traffic on the "bypass". They re-prioritised it and now bypass traffic flows freely. It actually costs feck-all money to do.


  • #8
    09bored.ie
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    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    The decision basically says that EVERY junction is crap and that Donegal Council had not done enough work prior to the application and instead hoped to get approval to fix their myriad mistakes during the detailed design process that would occur AFTER ABP gave a go ahead.

    Maybe they should get the Roscommon Design Office crew on the case as they have NOTHING TO DO right now . Tell them to **** off out of Moycullen where they are currently doing nothing useful :(

    Why is everybody taking a pop at Donegal County Council, ''perhaps'' the Scheme was designed by a private consultant(s) (see report). Although it also must be pointed out that the Scheme would have had to go through the NRAs steering committee and inspectorate (or at least one would hope) Furthermore, the ABP inspector himself recommended it. Plus, a Road Safety Auditor would have independently checked the design specifically for safety. So maybe ABP have lost the plot or maybe not I haven't seen the junctions.

    Absolute and utter disgrace ABP took this length of time to come to a decision. They need their asses kicked around the place.

    As for the Roscommon Design Office mentioned above, Im sure the decision to let them muck about with the Moycullen Bypass was made after a highly competitive tendering process including the private sector found them to be the most economically advantgeous bidder!!


  • #9
    L1011
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    I think the jibe about the Moycullen Bypass is more to do with the fact that the shaggin' bypass was designed in the NINETEEN SEVENTIES and hasn't been built yet! And less to do with Roscommon doing it...


  • #10
    Sponge Bob
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    09bored.ie wrote: »
    As for the Roscommon Design Office mentioned above, Im sure the decision to let them ''redesign'' with the Moycullen Bypass was made after a highly competitive tendering process including the private sector found them to be the most economically advantgeous bidder!!

    No tendering involved.

    http://www.galwaynews.ie/7057-nra-funds-%E2%82%AC300000-review-road-nowhere
    THE cash-strapped National Roads Authority has allocated €300,000 so a team of staff can travel from Roscommon to Moycullen every day to review the village’s need for a by-pass – despite the fact that there is no money to finance such a project in the first place.


  • #11
    09bored.ie
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    Obviously there was no tender!:rolleyes:

    I think the bit about them travelling from Roscommon to Moycullen everyday is absolute BS just some dumbass journalist in the newspaper not understanding what they were writing about which is very common when it comes to roads projects


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  • #12
    Essexboy
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    09bored.ie wrote: »
    Why is everybody taking a pop at Donegal County Council, ''perhaps'' the Scheme was designed by a private consultant(s) (see report). Although it also must be pointed out that the Scheme would have had to go through the NRAs steering committee and inspectorate (or at least one would hope) Furthermore, the ABP inspector himself recommended it. Plus, a Road Safety Auditor would have independently checked the design specifically for safety. So maybe ABP have lost the plot or maybe not I haven't seen the junctions.

    Absolute and utter disgrace ABP took this length of time to come to a decision. They need their asses kicked around the place.

    As for the Roscommon Design Office mentioned above, Im sure the decision to let them muck about with the Moycullen Bypass was made after a highly competitive tendering process including the private sector found them to be the most economically advantgeous bidder!!

    The application was in the name of Donegal County Council so they have to take responsibility for its contents, irrespective of who drew it up.

    The Inspector OK'd the application IF additional works were carried out: obviously the Board felt that this was the equivalent of a new application.

    Any public body which gives a R road priority over a N road (eg the N13 junction with the Raphoe road) deserves to be criticised.

    Then there is the Sinead McDaid case " a letter from Minister for Justice Dermot Ahern to An Taoiseach, dated September 7, 2009. In the letter, Ahern quoted Superintendent Padraig Kennedy, who was in charge of the second investigation, as concluding that "grave acts of omission were committed by Donegal County Council on 12 June, 2001 in the manner in which they conducted their road resurfacing operation on the Malin to Culdaff road and his opinion, disclosed a breach of Section 13 Non-Fatal Offences Against the Person Act 1997 (Reckless Endangerment)."


  • #13
    L1011
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    Essexboy wrote: »
    Any public body which gives a R road priority over a N road (eg the N13 junction with the Raphoe road) deserves to be criticised.

    This isn't rare. The N5 gives way to Ballaghdreen Main Street (R-something); the N52 loses priority at a crossroads to an R road in Meath; N63 loses priority to an R road somewhere around Abbeyknockmoy, etc, etc.


  • #14
    Essexboy
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    MYOB wrote: »
    This isn't rare. The N5 gives way to Ballaghdreen Main Street (R-something); the N52 loses priority at a crossroads to an R road in Meath; N63 loses priority to an R road somewhere around Abbeyknockmoy, etc, etc.

    Ditto at Tubbercurry where traffic on the N17 bypass gives way to traffic from the town centre.
    But my original point still stands: a N road should always have priority. I guess local politics comes before planning.


  • #15
    serfboard
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    Essexboy wrote: »
    Ditto at Tubbercurry where traffic on the N17 bypass gives way to traffic from the town centre.
    But my original point still stands: a N road should always have priority. I guess local politics comes before planning.

    Agree 100%. It's not whether N roads do give way - it's whether they should. And they shouldn't.

    The N63, N17 (two places - Tubercurry and Charlestown now that the N5 doesn't go through it anymore), N5 at Ballaghadereen and the N13 junction (which started this discussion) could, and should, be re-prioritised.


  • #16
    Sponge Bob
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    It is only about 100m long in Charlestown and you would need traffic lights and probably anti tractor barriers with EMP backup to reducate the locals out of 1000 years of driving .

    Not worth it for 100m of uncongested road northbound and 30m southbound , just call it the N17 without changing anything , too dangerous and pointless

    As for Tobercurry I wait to see where the slow traffic heads and I simply go the other way. If a clear run I go up the main street like I always did :D


  • #17
    marno21
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    This scheme has been recently quoted for TEN-T priority upgrades by Donegal Co. Council.

    All discussion in this thread please.


  • #18
    spacetweek
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    Has it been 6 years since it was refused planning permission?

    Why was it refused does anyone know? So we can avoid the same happening again when it is redesigned.


  • #19
    L1011
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    spacetweek wrote: »
    Has it been 6 years since it was refused planning permission?

    Why was it refused does anyone know? So we can avoid the same happening again when it is redesigned.

    Poor junction design primarily.


  • #20
    Redsoxfan
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    This is the scheme, yes?

    http://www.tii.ie/projects/road-schemes/#50


  • #21
    spacetweek
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    Redsoxfan wrote: »
    This is the scheme, yes?

    http://www.tii.ie/projects/road-schemes/#50

    Not exactly....that scheme doesn't bypass Ballybofey.


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  • #22
    marno21
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    Open to correction here

    This scheme bypasses the twin towns on the N15 and continues onto the N13 at the junction with the R236 to Raphoe.

    The scheme quoted above continues the N13 to Derry.


  • #23
    Redsoxfan
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    Does it even exist on TII?

    This doesn't sound like it either, it just references the 'Ballybofey Bypass'

    http://www.tii.ie/projects/road-schemes/#51


  • #24
    spacetweek
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    marno21 wrote: »
    Open to correction here

    This scheme bypasses the twin towns on the N15 and continues onto the N13 at the junction with the R236 to Raphoe.

    The scheme quoted above continues the N13 to Derry.
    You're correct.


  • #25
    marno21
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    Seems to be movement on this according to Highland Radio.

    http://www.highlandradio.com/2016/07/14/engineers-to-consider-three-road-projects-in-donegal/


  • #26
    spacetweek
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    Proper names please! The "Letterkenny Link" could be a lot of things - an N56, N13 or N15 scheme.
    I presume the road to Lifford he mentioned is the N14 Letterkenny-Lifford scheme.


  • #27
    marno21
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    spacetweek wrote: »
    Proper names please! The "Letterkenny Link" could be a lot of things - an N56, N13 or N15 scheme.
    I presume the road to Lifford he mentioned is the N14 Letterkenny-Lifford scheme.

    The Letterkenny link is the N56 scheme, which also seems to include an upgrade of the low quality DC between Letterkenny and Manorcunningham


    I posted in that schemes thread with the link too, which my phone won't let me post. (EDIT: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057622343)


  • #28
    marno21
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    http://www.highlandradio.com/2016/09/26/blaney-says-three-major-road-projects-will-have-to-have-studies-redone/

    Looks like this scheme will have to start from scratch.


  • #29
    marno21
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    https://irl.eu-supply.com/ctm/Supplier/PublicTenders/ViewNotice/187380

    Tender awarded to RPS Halcrow Barry.


  • #30
    spacetweek
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    A restart?
    This one was always badly needed.


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  • #31
    marno21
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    spacetweek wrote: »
    A restart?
    This one was always badly needed.
    Planning will proceed on this, along with the N13 DC upgrade, N56 relief road, and N14 Letterkenny-Lifford, as part of a TII plan to upgrade roads in Donegal. Not on the capital plan but will likely be built shortly after.


  • #32
    spacetweek
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    marno21 wrote: »
    Planning will proceed on this, along with the N13 DC upgrade, N56 relief road, and N14 Letterkenny-Lifford, as part of a TII plan to upgrade roads in Donegal. Not on the capital plan but will likely be built shortly after.

    All good news for the Republic's most isolated county.
    The N14 will be useful for plugging into the A5 when that's done as Dublin-Letterkenny trips will use that route.


  • #33
    marno21
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    spacetweek wrote: »
    All good news for the Republic's most isolated county.
    The N14 will be useful for plugging into the A5 when that's done as Dublin-Letterkenny trips will use that route.
    Yep.

    In an ideal world the N14 should be really the N2 following on from the N3's appearence at Belleek to continue onto Ballyshannon.

    The 4 schemes proposed will be very beneficial for the county. Alongside the N56 Dungloe-Glenties in progress and the N56 Mountcharles-Inver which has funding provided as part of Building on Recovery


  • #34
    marno21
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    http://www.highlandradio.com/2017/03/18/transport-infrstructure-ireland-asked-to-release-funds-for-twin-towns-road/

    Calls for funding to be released for this scheme.


  • #35
    marno21
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    TII are looking to perform traffic surveys this month along the relevant routes to this scheme:

    https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/publicpurchase_frameset.asp?PID=120002&B=ETENDERS_SIMPLE&PS=1&PP=ctm/Supplier/publictenders


  • #36
    discodaveirl
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    Really bugs me that there was no climbing lane included, on the southbound carriage of the last piece of realignment.


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  • #37
    Kevwoody
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    discodaveirl wrote: »
    Really bugs me that there was no climbing lane included, on the southbound carriage of the last piece of realignment.



    Totally agree!
    Even if they had continued the hard shoulders another few hundred meters to meet the existing ones at the top of the hill!


  • #38
    marno21
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    This scheme is undergoing route selection work at present and a public consultation regarding the route will be held in Q2 2018.


  • #39
    Aontachtoir
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    marno21 wrote: »
    This scheme is undergoing route selection work at present and a public consultation regarding the route will be held in Q2 2018.
    Are the N15 and N14 improvements being done as one single operation?


  • #40
    marno21
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    Aontachtoir wrote: »
    Are the N15 and N14 improvements being done as one single operation?

    Donegal County Council are completing Phases 1-4 of TII's Project Management Guidelines for several schemes together, with one contractor (RPS CH2M Barry), to make the most of limited funding. These schemes are the:

    N13/N56 Letterkenny Relief Road (encompassing an upgrade of the existing N13 DC)
    N14 Letterkenny to Lifford (including A5 Link)
    N15 Ballybofey/Stranorlar bypass.

    Route selection is expected to be complete by Q3 2018 with ABP submission in Q3 2020 (yes, that slow)


  • #41
    marno21
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    Full timeline for anyone interested:

    Stage | Completion date
    Public consultation on route options | Q2 2018
    Preferred route selection | Q3 2018
    Completion of preliminary design | Q1 2020
    Publication of CPO & EIS | Q3 2020


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  • #42
    roadmaster
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    marno21 wrote: »
    Donegal County Council are completing Phases 1-4 of TII's Project Management Guidelines for several schemes together, with one contractor (RPS CH2M Barry), to make the most of limited funding. These schemes are the:

    N13/N56 Letterkenny Relief Road (encompassing an upgrade of the existing N13 DC)
    N14 Letterkenny to Lifford (including A5 Link)
    N15 Ballybofey/Stranorlar bypass.

    Route selection is expected to be complete by Q3 2018 with ABP submission in Q3 2020 (yes, that slow)

    How come the consultant is a JV, I would have taught either of them could have done all the work on there own?


  • #43
    marno21
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    https://www.donegaldemocrat.ie/news/home/304546/change-of-route-expected-for-major-donegal-road-plan.html

    Article on potential northern route of the new road


  • #44
    Redsoxfan
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    Will this be dual carriageway or just a single lane bypass?


  • #45
    L1011
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    2+2 almost certainly; Donegal RDO already went for insanely wide, grade seperated at times roads which would be barely dearer to lay as 2+2


  • #46
    Redsoxfan
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    L1011 wrote:
    2+2 almost certainly; Donegal RDO already went for insanely wide, grade seperated at times roads which would be barely dearer to lay as 2+2


    Indeed they did.


  • #47
    marno21
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    Public consultation on this taking place next week:
    Donegal wrote:
    RPS CH2M Barry assessed the Constraints within the defined study areas for the Project and presented these to the public at a consultation held on 6th December 2017.

    The Design Team have taken feedback obtained during the consultation meetings and are currently progressing with the route selection process including the development and assessment of route options for the three Sections, which will be presented at public consultations to be held as follows:

    Where: When: Time:
    Radisson Blu, Letterkenny Tuesday 17th April 2018 2:00pm - 8:00pm
    County House,Donegal County Council, Lifford Wednesday 18th April 2018 2:00pm - 8:00pm
    Jacksons Hotel, Ballybofey Thursday 19th April, 2018 2:00pm - 8:00pm


    The Emerging Preferred Route will be identified during the second half of 2018 and presented to the public to obtain further feedback, prior to the Preferred Route being confirmed.

    Following confirmation of the Preferred Route, a Design and Environmental Impact Statement will be produced.

    Any comments/queries can be submitted via our online Feedback Form


  • #48
    marno21
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    Route options are now up for public consultation. More information at www.donegal-ten-t.ie

    Public consultation brochure: http://www.donegal-ten-t.ie/media/download_gallery/Public_Consultation_-_Stage_1_(Brochure)(1).pdf

    Overall route options: http://www.donegal-ten-t.ie/media/download_gallery/SECTION%201%20-%20OVERALL%20ROUTE%20CORRIDORS.pdf

    Individual route options: http://www.donegal-ten-t.ie/media/download_gallery/SECTION%201%20-%20INDIVIDUAL%20ROUTE%20CORRIDORS.pdf

    Main focus of this is the N13 section as it's part of the TEN-T route network. The N15 to Lifford section is not hence it being a "link road"


  • #49
    marno21
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    Publication of the emerging preferred route for this scheme has now been deferred to Q1 2019. As a result the project submission to An Bord Pleanala will not happen until the first half of 2021. That'll be 5 years for Phases 1-4


  • #50
    marno21
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    And we're off

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/business/residents-say-200-jobs-will-be-lost-with-plans-to-bypass-donegal-town-887129.html


  • #51
    BelfastVanMan
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    marno21 wrote: »
    And we're off

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/business/residents-say-200-jobs-will-be-lost-with-plans-to-bypass-donegal-town-887129.html

    Utter rubbish, as usual.


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