Formula 1 2018: General Discussion Thread

H3llR4iser · 09-02-2018 12:37PM

Actually, the whole car looks class - a gigantic step forward from the tubby, horrible things Indycar used until last year. Bit of a late 1980s look to it as well.

As for the screen, that looks like something properly made to aerospace standards - way thicker, clearer and more refined than the little "transparent plastic cutout by a child in a creche" horror F1 tested (my two cents - it was an half assed effort as they knew the "halo" deal was basically sealed).

I'd be very surprised if the "Halo" makes it past 2018 in its current form - hopefully not due to some other "freak accident" happening because of a carbon fiber blade placed a few cm from the driver's heads.

Frank Bullitt · 09-02-2018 02:50PM

Just finished watching the new McLaren doc on Amazon.

Highly recommend.

You get a great insight into how things just went tits up with Honda, well worth a watch.

Frank Bullitt · 09-02-2018 03:30PM

In other F1 related news, the WEC have moved the Fuji race date, so it won't clash with F1, Alonso can race there also.

boardsuser1 · 09-02-2018 03:35PM

Gintonious wrote: »

In other F1 related news, the WEC have moved the Fuji race date, so it won't clash with F1, Alonso can race there also.

Hardly surprising the caved on this, the PR of Alonso alone will attract a fortune to the series.

recyclebin · 09-02-2018 03:51PM

https://youtu.be/VzprpRG2gvs

Video of the nascar screen. Looks very good to me. If it stays clean and works in the wet then its a no brainer. The halo will be binned just like the flip flops that gave the desingers the inspiration for that kind of design in the first place.

recyclebin · 09-02-2018 03:51PM

https://youtu.be/VzprpRG2gvs

Video of the nascar screen. Looks very good to me. If it stays clean and works in the wet then its a no brainer. The halo will be binned just like the flip flops that gave the desingers the inspiration for that kind of design in the first place.

Ajsoprano · 09-02-2018 04:00PM

Lads I’m new here and seen this forum. I like a bit of f1. I always wondered why Perez gets such bad treatment from the commentators on the English channels. Is it because he was a bit wild in his youth. Even now ocon is a bit wild and they don’t seem to mind that. I’ve been rooting for Perez to get a top drive since he was a young rookie but am starting to fear that he will retire never getting a car that can compete for a championship. He deserves it he’s put the years in and been usually better than teammates. Hulkenberg was getting hailed as the next Jesus at one stage until he shared a team with Checo and got shown up. Is there anyone with any background on this I just watch the qualifying and racing and don’t bother with the Twitter and magazines and stuff.

skipper_G · 09-02-2018 04:50PM

Ajsoprano wrote: »

Lads I’m new here and seen this forum. I like a bit of f1. I always wondered why Perez gets such bad treatment from the commentators on the English channels. Is it because he was a bit wild in his youth. Even now ocon is a bit wild and they don’t seem to mind that. I’ve been rooting for Perez to get a top drive since he was a young rookie but am starting to fear that he will retire never getting a car that can compete for a championship. He deserves it he’s put the years in and been usually better than teammates. Hulkenberg was getting hailed as the next Jesus at one stage until he shared a team with Checo and got shown up. Is there anyone with any background on this I just watch the qualifying and racing and don’t bother with the Twitter and magazines and stuff.

I'd say a lot of it is down to the financial backing he has, some people automatically assume that having sponsorship behind you makes you just a pay driver. His results prove that he's in F1 on merit, but that won't be enough for some sections of media and fans. Also doesn't help that he was dropped by McLaren after a year, like that means he's not good enough or something. I disagree of course, think he's talented but he will never be looked on kindly by the majority after the shenanigans with Ocon last year. Ocon while also talented is the right kind of talented, as in he has no commercial money behind him (just a major manufacturer)

09-02-2018 04:54PM

Gintonious wrote: »

Just finished watching the new McLaren doc on Amazon.

Highly recommend.

You get a great insight into how things just went tits up with Honda, well worth a watch.

Would you be a McLaren fan? :pac:
Just got the idea early on that the show might be a bit too fawning for my liking, would be nice to check out if not.

Ajsoprano · 09-02-2018 05:00PM

You say that but lance stroll gets spoken of in a good light by the commentators and if ever there was a pay driver.
He got dropped from maclaren because they Kevin bleeping magnussen was good in the simulator and they reckoned that means he will take seconds off Perez time. He was better than button at the time.
I also feel him and ocon were 50/50 to blame each week but the commentators blamed Perez everytime. It made for great excitement in what was a pretty dull few years.
I think it’s one of the weird questions I’ll always wonder. How good could the little pudgey Mexican have been if he was given the chance. I’d love him to even get kimis Ferrari seat even though he’d be vettels rear gunner when kimi retires of course.

Frank Bullitt · 09-02-2018 07:23PM

recyclebin wrote: »

https://youtu.be/VzprpRG2gvs

Video of the nascar screen. Looks very good to me. If it stays clean and works in the wet then its a no brainer. The halo will be binned just like the flip flops that gave the desingers the inspiration for that kind of design in the first place.

Thats actually rather impressive.

F1...are you watching?

Its mad that they did RnD on the Halo for 3 years, seems like they wanted that route regardless.

carloscorreia · 09-02-2018 09:41PM

Alonso will do a full WEC season

http://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/43009816

Frankie Lee · 09-02-2018 10:02PM

Ajsoprano wrote: »

Lads I’m new here and seen this forum. I like a bit of f1. I always wondered why Perez gets such bad treatment from the commentators on the English channels. Is it because he was a bit wild in his youth. Even now ocon is a bit wild and they don’t seem to mind that. I’ve been rooting for Perez to get a top drive since he was a young rookie but am starting to fear that he will retire never getting a car that can compete for a championship. He deserves it he’s put the years in and been usually better than teammates. Hulkenberg was getting hailed as the next Jesus at one stage until he shared a team with Checo and got shown up. Is there anyone with any background on this I just watch the qualifying and racing and don’t bother with the Twitter and magazines and stuff.

For me him and Hulkenberg are up there with Ricciardo and Verstappen as the strongest pairing in F1 at the moment. He was disappointing at McLaren with the amount of mistakes he made but he was faster than Button and has matured a lot since.

Ajsoprano · 09-02-2018 10:15PM

Frankie Lee wrote: »

For me him and Hulkenberg are up there with Ricciardo and Verstappen as the strongest pairing in F1 at the moment. He was disappointing at McLaren with the amount of mistakes he made but he was faster than Button and has matured a lot since.

Frankie lee? Are you that fella that lent Judas Priest money? (Song reference if you have no idea what I’m talking about).
It’s great this forum in real life I met one person who actually watched f1 and he believed Alonso was past it and that’s why maclaren Honda were struggling. I just nodded and said , do ye reckon?
It seems to me it’s becoming a bit of a niche sport in Ireland. Am Ijust imagining things or did it get a lot more coverage on news and tv 20 years ago?

PopePalpatine · 09-02-2018 10:22PM

20 years ago you had Eddie Irvine and Eddie Jordan towards the sharp end of the grid. 5 years later one had left for the greener pastures of property development, and the other had his coffers depleted by costly legal battles against Vodafone and Heinz-Harald Frentzen and was left fighting to stay ahead of Minardi.

Ajsoprano · 09-02-2018 10:29PM

PopePalpatine wrote: »

20 years ago you had Eddie Irvine and Eddie Jordan towards the sharp end of the grid. 5 years later one had left for the greener pastures of property development, and the other had his coffers depleted by costly legal battles against Vodafone and Heinz-Harald Frentzen and was left fighting to stay ahead of Minardi.

Yeah maybe the Irish connection drummed up the interest here at the time.

boardsuser1 · 09-02-2018 10:42PM

Ajsoprano wrote: »

Yeah maybe the Irish connection drummed up the interest here at the time.

There was controversy involving those 2 previously on the podium.

Irvine in Australia 1996 I think and Argentina 1997 with the Irish flag being flown instead of the Union Jack despite him identifying as Irish.

Jordan in Belgium 1998 when the Irish National anthem wasn’t played.

Jordan 199 · 09-02-2018 11:42PM

PopePalpatine wrote: »

20 years ago you had Eddie Irvine and Eddie Jordan towards the sharp end of the grid. 5 years later one had left for the greener pastures of property development, and the other had his coffers depleted by costly legal battles against Vodafone and Heinz-Harald Frentzen and was left fighting to stay ahead of Minardi.

Looking back at Jordan in '97, I think if Hill drove for them that year, they would have won a race. The Jordan 197 was a very good car.

boardsuser1 · 09-02-2018 11:45PM

Jordan 199 wrote: »

Looking back at Jordan in '97, I think if Hill drove for them that year, they would have won a race. The Jordan 197 was a very good car.

Hockenheim 1997

Blames Goodyear for that one :rolleyes:

Frankie Lee · 09-02-2018 11:49PM

Ajsoprano wrote: »

Frankie lee? Are you that fella that lent Judas Priest money? (Song reference if you have no idea what I’m talking about).
It’s great this forum in real life I met one person who actually watched f1 and he believed Alonso was past it and that’s why maclaren Honda were struggling. I just nodded and said , do ye reckon?
It seems to me it’s becoming a bit of a niche sport in Ireland. Am Ijust imagining things or did it get a lot more coverage on news and tv 20 years ago?

Judas lent me the money. When RTE lost the coverage it died a lot compounded with BBC going and it won't get any bigger when it goes fully to Sky.

Frankie Lee · 09-02-2018 11:53PM

Jordan 199 wrote: »

Looking back at Jordan in '97, I think if Hill drove for them that year, they would have won a race. The Jordan 197 was a very good car.

Fisichella would have been quicker than him surely even at that stage. I remember Imola 97 clearly when Fisichella was chasing a podium position and how excited they were getting on RTE.

Frankie Lee · 09-02-2018 11:59PM

It was also crazy how much engines differed from season to season. That was a well respected Peugeot engine in 97 but the following seasons for Prost it was considered terrible. Granted Jordan built better cars than them.

Jordan 199 · 10-02-2018 12:00AM

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

Hockenheim 1997

Blames Goodyear for that one :rolleyes:

That's right. I think the brake lining was damaged so that caused Fisi's retirement.

Frankie Lee wrote: »

Fisichella would have been quicker than him surely even at that stage. I remember Imola 97 clearly when Fisichella was chasing a podium position and how excited they were getting on RTE.

Fisichella was great in '97. I think a Hill-Fisichella pairing would have been good at Jordan in '97.

recyclebin · 10-02-2018 11:24AM

I wonder what the McLaren Renault will be like this season. It's not a good sign that Alonso has signed up for a full season of WEC already. He's defintely hedging his bets by the looks of it.

boardsuser1 · 10-02-2018 11:28AM

recyclebin wrote: »

I wonder what the McLaren Renault will be like this season. It's not a good sign that Alonso has signed up for a full season of WEC already. He's defintely hedging his bets by the looks of it.

One thing we know for certain is that it can't be any worse than Honda.

Toro Rosso will inevitably drop down the order,although it will be McLaren's luck that the new Renault will be a dog and Honda will have gotten their act together :rolleyes:

boardsuser1 · 10-02-2018 11:31AM

Jordan 199 wrote: »

That's right. I think the brake lining was damaged so that caused Fisi's retirement.

Fisichella was great in '97. I think a Hill-Fisichella pairing would have been good at Jordan in '97.

Unsure at to the actual cause, i just know the tyre was fcuked!

Gerhard Berger's finest race victory by far, the king of Hockenheim he was.

As for a Hill-Fisichella pairing? I'm unsure, where would Ralf have gone? Arrows with Diniz?

I'm sure Fishchella wants to be reminded of Argentina 1997.

donspeekinglesh · 10-02-2018 12:20PM

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

Gerhard Berger's finest race victory by far, the king of Hockenheim he was.

It was. Particularly after missing some races due to illness and his dad dying.

boardsuser1 · 10-02-2018 12:47PM

donspeekinglesh wrote: »

It was. Particularly after missing some races due to illness and his dad dying.

Spot on, he missed 3 races due to sinus surgery and his father was killed in a plane crash.

Flavio Briatore ripped into him for trying to come back,apparently the lawyers were involved and if Berger under performed at that race his contract was to be terminated with immediate effect.

In Parc Ferme that day you could see Briatore and Berger were frosty towards one another.

In the last few years of his career at Hockenheim

1994 won
1995 3rd
1996 retired in the lead with just a few laps left.
1997 won

Frank Bullitt · 10-02-2018 01:37PM

recyclebin wrote: »

I wonder what the McLaren Renault will be like this season. It's not a good sign that Alonso has signed up for a full season of WEC already. He's defintely hedging his bets by the looks of it.

I dont see it as a bad sign, he is just doing other races because (and this might sound mad) he loves racing.

Back in the day, racers used to take part in other categories for money to up their income, but once F1 was paying millions they stopped.

I think its great to see an F1 driver branch out.

Jordan 199 · 12-02-2018 05:06PM

Updated car launch dates:

Williams: 15th of February.

Red Bull: 19th of February.

Renault and Sauber: 20th of February.

Ferrari and Mercedes: 22nd of February.

McLaren: 23rd of February.

Toro Rosso: 25th of February.

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