Eir rural FTTH thread

tsue921i8wljb3 · 07-02-2018 10:07PM

digiman wrote: »

Has anyone got any details of how eir do the installation from the fibre enclosure to inside the home?

My house already has fibre cable run from the external wall through the houses to a central point but it uses FC connectors. I know internally the ONT uses an SC/APC connector so I can easily buy something like this on Amazon to connect internally in my house.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/SIENOC-Simplex-Optical-Coupler-Coupling/dp/B01MXYQZJH/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1518035237&sr=8-2&keywords=fc+fibre+coupler

Externally I've also got an FC connector so I'm wondering what kind of connectors do the KN lads use here. I want to have things ready for when they come to do the install. I assume they also use an SC/APC here to so the above parts should do both internal and external connectors.

When you say externally do you mean in an enclosure on the exterior of your home similar to an ETU? Any install I've seen they have drilled a hole and fed the cable through and only fitting the SC connector when placing the cable inside the ODP.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 07-02-2018 10:12PM

irishfeen wrote: »

Just in relation to Bweeng, Co.Cork lads and ladies and this roll out - seems to be absolutely no markings on poles or on the road inside their marked area online all the way back to the exchange itself in Bweeng. Just a quick visual look today but the network is seriously dire in the area, probably 20-30% of the poles not even standing straight and are in a very bad way.

It's possible that they have not started yet. Pole replacement would be one of the first steps in the process. They would usually mark those poles due for replacement with a plate with a red "D" on a white background but according to yourself apparently they have not done this yet.

irishfeen · 07-02-2018 10:31PM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

It's possible that they have not started yet. Pole replacement would be one of the first steps in the process. They would usually mark those poles due for replacement with a plate with a red "D" on a white background but according to yourself apparently they have not done this yet.

I don’t think they have started anything, it must have been a preliminary investigation. Will prob start over next few weeks.

digiman · 07-02-2018 10:48PM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

When you say externally do you mean in an enclosure on the exterior of your home similar to an ETU? Any install I've seen they have drilled a hole and fed the cable through and only fitting the SC connector when placing the cable inside the ODP.

Yeah, I think ETU is the correct name for it. I need them to leave the SC connector there so I can join it to the other end of my FC cable.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 07-02-2018 10:51PM

digiman wrote: »

Yeah, I think ETU is the correct name for it. I need them to leave the SC connector there so I can join it to the other end of my FC cable.

I suppose it will depend on who you get on the day. Some will be more accommodating than others. Was the cabling something you did yourself or was it part of the construction?

digiman · 07-02-2018 10:59PM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

I suppose it will depend on who you get on the day. Some will be more accommodating than others. Was the cabling something you did yourself or was it part of the construction?

Was part of the construction, will be far easier for him if he does it my way!! No drilling and I will have all ready for him. It will be the easiest install he will ever have to do.

9726_9726 · 08-02-2018 01:26AM

digiman wrote: »

Was part of the construction, will be far easier for him if he does it my way!! No drilling and I will have all ready for him. It will be the easiest install he will ever have to do.

You are asking them if you can provide network north of their demarcation. If the guy is trained properly he will refuse.

Openeir's demarc to the retail provider is the RJ45 port on the ONU. Openeir will stand over the network for their customer (the ISP) as far as there. Then the ISP provides a router south of that. So, you can't provide optical cables/connectors on their network.

You'd never know, the guy on the day might let it slide.

fritzelly · 08-02-2018 01:30AM

9726_9726 wrote: »

You are asking them if you can provide network north of their demarcation. If the guy is trained properly he will refuse.

Openeir's demarc to the retail provider is the RJ45 port on the ONU. Openeir will stand over the network for their customer (the ISP) as far as there. Then the ISP provides a router south of that. So, you can't provide optical cables/connectors on their network.

And then when there is a problem and someone comes along to check it the tech will be in trouble for not doing the job and signing it off as complete - liable for being sacked.
Eir or whoever are paying for a full install not to just bring a cable to the house

Marlow · 08-02-2018 01:37AM

digiman wrote: »

Was part of the construction, will be far easier for him if he does it my way!! No drilling and I will have all ready for him. It will be the easiest install he will ever have to do.

As the others have pointed out. It's their demarcation.

Having said that, nobody prevents you from plugging out the ONT after everything is installed and run a fiber patch to somewhere else. The ETU after all just has a SC connector

I'd stick with SC connectors though. So get somebody to resplice the cabling you have with SC connectors. At least for the stretch you want to extend it

That way you can revert it, should you get problems and can test in the configuration it was installed from the get go.

/M

flesheatingbug · 08-02-2018 12:58PM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

Can you check a close neighbours Eircode? That should at least show if your section is live.

yeah when i put in the eircode for next door it says "Fibre to the Home is available", but then when i go to order and put in the phone number it says "Although your area is enabled for eir Fibre broadband, it looks like it hasn't reached your address yet"

tsue921i8wljb3 · 08-02-2018 03:18PM

flesheatingbug wrote: »

yeah when i put in the eircode for next door it says "Fibre to the Home is available", but then when i go to order and put in the phone number it says "Although your area is enabled for eir Fibre broadband, it looks like it hasn't reached your address yet"

You said that your house is new. Does it have a blue or green icon on

http://fibrerollout.ie/rollout-map/

flesheatingbug · 08-02-2018 04:38PM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

You said that your house is new. Does it have a blue or green icon on

http://fibrerollout.ie/rollout-map/

its so new it doesn't have any icon, only built in the last couple months, but the pole is there with the fibre box, and i've got ducting run to it

tsue921i8wljb3 · 08-02-2018 04:54PM

flesheatingbug wrote: »

its so new it doesn't have any icon, only built in the last couple months, but the pole is there with the fibre box, and i've got ducting run to it

The issue you may have is that Openeir, who built the network, send a list of premises that are available to the retail ISPs every week or fortnight. Your Eircode is not likely to be in this file so when you go to order with any ISP a customer service rep will try your Eircode and it will be rejected.

What I would do is email fibrepower@openeir.ie and explain your situation. Give as much detail as possible, Eircodes and phone numbers of premises each side of you plus your own Eircode. Also send the code of the nearest distribution point (box on the pole). It will be printed on a yellow sticker on the box.

Ask them can your premises be added to the APQ file.

flesheatingbug · 08-02-2018 06:20PM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

The issue you may have is that Openeir, who built the network, send a list of premises that are available to the retail ISPs every week or fortnight. Your Eircode is not likely to be in this file so when you go to order with any ISP a customer service rep will try your Eircode and it will be rejected.

What I would do is email fibrepower@openeir.ie and explain your situation. Give as much detail as possible, Eircodes and phone numbers of premises each side of you plus your own Eircode. Also send the code of the nearest distribution point (box on the pole). It will be printed on a yellow sticker on the box.

Ask them can your premises be added to the APQ file.

thanks for the info, i'll give it a go

Gonzo · 08-02-2018 10:01PM

I see Digiweb are now going after current Eir FTTH customers with a free switchover. https://www.digiweb.ie/

The offers seem to be broadband only. 55 for 150, 65 for 300 and 75 for the 1000. contract time is 12 months.

I will give them a call in about two months time when my contract with Eir is up. I will try and find out if there are any plans to raise that fair usage policy, as that would be a big part of me moving away from Eir. The modem is another issue, the Fritzbox which Digiweb provide, can only be better than the F2000 for wifi.

fritzelly · 08-02-2018 10:06PM

Gonzo wrote: »

I see Digiweb are now going after current Eir FTTH customers with a free switchover. https://www.digiweb.ie/

The offers seem to be broadband only. 55 for 150, 65 for 300 and 75 for the 1000. contract time is 12 months.

I will give them a call in about two months time when my contract with Eir is up. I will try and find out if there are any plans to raise that fair usage policy, as that would be a big part of me moving away from Eir. The modem is another issue, the Fritzbox which Digiweb provide, can only be better than the F2000 for wifi.

See it's urban areas only, reading thru the list can't envisage what kind of coverage they are targetting

tsue921i8wljb3 · 08-02-2018 10:17PM

fritzelly wrote: »

See it's urban areas only, reading thru the list can't envisage what kind of coverage they are targetting

I'm pretty sure that list is wrong and they can offer service on any part of Openeir's FTTH network urban or rural.

ED E · 08-02-2018 10:38PM

Gonzo wrote: »

The modem is another issue, the Fritzbox which Digiweb provide, can only be better than the F2000 for wifi.

Not using your own? With FTTH it seems like a no brainer IMO.

Gaw_ · 08-02-2018 10:48PM

No idea how long these have been up, but seen plenty of these boxes in our East Clare area. I believe "P" were painted on some poles, but didn't see anything on manholes. Here's hoping not much long left to wait - OpenEir still says Winter 2017/Spring 2018.

Gonzo · 08-02-2018 11:48PM

ED E wrote: »

Not using your own? With FTTH it seems like a no brainer IMO.

still just the F2000, I probably should look into getting my own router!

Marlow · 08-02-2018 11:53PM

Gonzo wrote: »

I see Digiweb are now going after current Eir FTTH customers with a free switchover. https://www.digiweb.ie/

The offers seem to be broadband only. 55 for 150, 65 for 300 and 75 for the 1000. contract time is 12 months.

Standard policy on Airwire. 6 months contract and pay for router (optional) and installation fee (99 on switch, 199 on new line, if OpenEIR). Extend to 12 months to get router for free. Extend to 18 months for waiving switch fee.

Just no way to waive the 199 on a new line, as that's already heavily discounted from what OpenEIR charges.

/M

Peppa Cig · 09-02-2018 07:40AM

ED E wrote: »

Gonzo wrote: »

The modem is another issue, the Fritzbox which Digiweb provide, can only be better than the F2000 for wifi.

Not using your own? With FTTH it seems like a no brainer IMO.

What modem would you recommend for FTTH? Thanks

ED E · 09-02-2018 11:18AM

Peppa Cig wrote: »

What modem would you recommend for FTTH? Thanks

Technically none, the modem in an FTTH setup is the ONT

For most users who aren't interested in DD/Open/Mikrotik etc Netgear are still a valid choice as much as some will roll their eyes at that name. I find the TP Link WebUI strongly inferior to Netgears "Genie" interface.

Alternatively Google Wifi and Airport Extreme are solid units for people invested in their relative ecosystems.

If you're on >500Mb packages I'd be aiming for at least one decent access point so you're always close to a 5Ghz transmitter to get full use of the connection.

Jpmarn · 09-02-2018 11:44AM

Eir have sent letters to ftth customers of a price increase therefore they would be breaking the contract. My brother who is also an Eir ftth customer is thinking of changing to Digiweb. I am not changing because I like to have access to Eir and BT sports channels. He has no interest in sports so it is well worth him to change. For his sake I'm glad that there is a direct link for ftth customers leaving Eir on Digiweb's homepage.

Gonzo · 09-02-2018 11:45AM

ED E wrote: »

Technically none, the modem in an FTTH setup is the ONT

For most users who aren't interested in DD/Open/Mikrotik etc Netgear are still a valid choice as much as some will roll their eyes at that name. I find the TP Link WebUI strongly inferior to Netgears "Genie" interface.

Alternatively Google Wifi and Airport Extreme are solid units for people invested in their relative ecosystems.

If you're on >500Mb packages I'd be aiming for at least one decent access point so you're always close to a 5Ghz transmitter to get full use of the connection.

I'm going to have a look into the Google Wifi, it's a bit expensive but I think it's worth it for what it does. I think the Apple Airport Extreme has to be set up on an apple device first in order to use?

turbbo · 09-02-2018 12:04PM

Gonzo wrote: »

I'm going to have a look into the Google Wifi, it's a bit expensive but I think it's worth it for what it does. I think the Apple Airport Extreme has to be set up on an apple device first in order to use?

Nope you just install Apple airport utility for the pc.

thecommander · 09-02-2018 01:35PM

Just noticed the other day loops of cable hanging from telegraph poles a few miles down the road from me, think it might be fibre working it's way towards us. Is this the way they go about installing initially? Anyone have a pic of install near them so I can confirm?

KeRbDoG · 09-02-2018 02:46PM

thecommander wrote: »

Just noticed the other day loops of cable hanging from telegraph poles a few miles down the road from me, think it might be fibre working it's way towards us. Is this the way they go about installing initially? Anyone have a pic of install near them so I can confirm?

Photo from my area during the cable/fiber deployment. Two coils of cable in the image below, one from an over head span and one from the supply underground duct.

thecommander · 09-02-2018 02:47PM

KeRbDoG wrote: »

Photo from my area during the cable/fiber deployment. Two coils of cable in the image below, one from an over head span and one from the supply underground duct.

Think that's them. Will check on way home. Thanks for posting.

DrPhilG · 09-02-2018 03:22PM

This may be a daft question, but are there details anywhere of the different Eir fibre packages? When I go to the Eir site looking for answers it won't tell me anything until I put in my number and because I don't have fibre availability as yet I can't proceed.

I'm unfortunately stuck with Eir because they have the free BT Sport package and I can't do without that. Not going to tell Eir that when it comes to contract negotiation time though...

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