Proposed suckler cow subsidy

mayota · 27-01-2018 08:54PM

grassroot1 wrote: »

Worth 335 euro in today's money corrected for inflation

Dad did say that it would buy a ton of 10:10:20, or whatever they had back then, don’t think there was any compound fert.

Hard Knocks · 27-01-2018 10:14PM

grassroot1 wrote: »

Worth 335 euro in today's money corrected for inflation

Listening here I Think £15 was a months wages

bogman_bass · 28-01-2018 05:43PM

Who2 wrote: »

If there beef price is way behind most of the time how does the culls work into 2-3 k over there?

The premium product over there is cow beef. Highest priced animal on the hook over there is a 7 year old cull cow

Who2 · 28-01-2018 08:07PM

bogman_bass wrote: »

The premium product over there is cow beef. Highest priced animal on the hook over there is a 7 year old cull cow

How much does Larry squeeze into that market?

Willfarman · 07-02-2018 09:39PM

https://m.independent.ie/business/farming/forestry-enviro/environment/suckler-subsidy-would-be-unwise-warns-agri-economist-36570027.html

High bike · 07-02-2018 09:55PM

I wonder how many ****ty cold wet nights professor Matthews got out of bed to calve a cow

wrangler · 07-02-2018 10:05PM

High bike wrote: »

I wonder how many ****ty cold wet nights professor Matthews got out of bed to calve a cow

I was wondering when that piece would appear in this thread,
He has wrote against farm subsidies for the last thirty years...
Thankfully no one heeded him

Willfarman · 08-02-2018 08:47PM

https://amp.independent.ie/business/farming/beef/beef-processors-back-ifa-in-suckler-subsidy-debate-35427930.html

Ah the bould Cormac Healy always sympathetic to the plight of the farmers...

Never wrestle with pigs · 08-02-2018 10:43PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Just looking at world cattle prices in the FJ. France the bastion for farmers with its suckler cow has the lowest cattle price in the EU with the exception of Poland and Netherlands.. It is 30c/kg behind us or 120 euro on a 400kg carcasses

Don't the French have a €400 sub per suckler cow also?

wrangler · 08-02-2018 10:45PM

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

Don't the French have a €400 sub per suckler cow also?

yea, they held back money from the decoupling to give to sucklers to ensure a supply of quality cattle

freedominacup · 09-02-2018 07:09PM

wrangler wrote: »

yea, they held back money from the decoupling to give to sucklers to ensure a supply of quality cattle

Seems to be working out well according to basses post.

Mac Taylor · 09-02-2018 10:05PM

The amount of lads in South Galway/North Clare getting out of cows is serious. Last night in Gort alone there was over 25 cows either in-calf or calved for sale. Mainly lads with fodder shortages, or old age. The weather the last 2/3 years means guys are cutting back aswell.

Centrepassage · 10-02-2018 02:20AM

The weather is having a massive impact on the marginal land in that area but the designation because of a lot of that land being hen Harrier habitat means it cannot be planted and renders it worthless in the marketplace. Housing period for Cows way too long for the value of weanling produced. Unfortunately can't see the trend changing.

Bass Reeves · 10-02-2018 02:39PM

freedominacup wrote: »

Seems to be working out well according to basses post.

Ya only place in the EU where cattle prices have not risen in the last 12 months. Even Poland and the Netherlands are hitting 3.4/kg this week. France is sitting at 3.59/kg. At the same time Italy and Germany have risen by 50c/kg.

France is a heavy carcass market. With DW hitting 500kgs. On a 450kg carcass they are losing 225 euro by not having the same price rise as Italy and Germany. When you see Poland and the Netherlands nearly at the French price you wonder who is going to be better off. What we can see is that a suckler production based payment is not is farmers interest.

A 20c/kg reduction in beef prices assuming a kill of 1.75 million cattle/year would take over 100 million out of farmers pocket. I doubt if it would stop at 20c/kg. Take 18% off basic payments to fund it and the only winner will be the processors. When you see Cormac Healy of MII being all for it you have to be very wary and look at what is in it for them and what is in it for farmers

wrangler · 10-02-2018 03:06PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Ya only place in the EU where cattle prices have not risen in the last 12 months. Even Poland and the Netherlands are hitting 3.4/kg this week. France is sitting at 3.59/kg. At the same time Italy and Germany have risen by 50c/kg.

France is a heavy carcass market. With DW hitting 500kgs. On a 450kg carcass they are losing 225 euro by not having the same price rise as Italy and Germany. When you see Poland and the Netherlands nearly at the French price you wonder who is going to be better off. What we can see is that a suckler production based payment is not is farmers interest.

A 20c/kg reduction in beef prices assuming a kill of 1.75 million cattle/year would take over 100 million out of farmers pocket. I doubt if it would stop at 20c/kg. Take 18% off basic payments to fund it and the only winner will be the processors. When you see Cormac Healy of MII being all for it you have to be very wary and look at what is in it for them and what is in it for farmers

A €200 sub on the existing amount of sucklers can do nothing but good.....basing on present numbers it isn't going to flood the factory with beef anymore than presently....the only thing that's going to harm the beef now is the numbers of extreme dairy beef.
Is there any trials done yet that show return for the work and investment in dairy beef......The only indication on here is the cost of rearing replacement heifers at €1250 -1500, what's a 2year old friesian bull worth in the facory now if they're costing 1500 to get to that stage.
Can you seriously ask suckler farmers to change to looking at friesians for equally poor margins.
People whinge on about the agenda of the county reps driving SOS yet haven't the simple initiative to change the guard, A bit sad really

Willfarman · 10-02-2018 08:53PM

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Mod note: Let's not go down this road, shall we?

Thanks in advance,

Buford T. Justice

wrangler · 10-02-2018 09:01PM

Willfarman wrote: »

Mod snip...

You won't know who's right until it's put into action, just cause some come across more arrogant doesn't mean they're right.
Thankfully it'll be lobbied for and given a chance, it'll meet enough knockers in Europe without having them here as well.
O2 cattle are a poor replacement for U3s and sadly thats the bottom line

Willfarman · 10-02-2018 09:20PM

The wife is calling for me to have the snip too lads

wrangler · 10-02-2018 10:29PM

There's a major ''Convergence'' of subsidies going on at the moment and it's totally wrong.
It sounded alright at the start but in practise what's happening is some of the convergence means that it's being taken from suckler farmers and given to specialist dairy farmers that originally wouldn't have had much entitlements,
Maybe it's time to redistribute some of it back to suckling

Hard Knocks · 10-02-2018 10:35PM

wrangler wrote: »

There's a major ''Convergence'' of subsidies going on at the moment and it's totally wrong.
It sounded alright at the start but in practise what's happening is some of the convergence means that it's being taken from suckler farmers and given to specialist dairy farmers that originally wouldn't have had much entitlements,
Maybe it's time to redistribute some of it back to suckling

Sadly any year the milk price falls the suckler/beef farmer ends up with money taken out of their pocket to fund the dairy farmer

charolais0153 · 11-02-2018 01:16AM

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Sadly any year the milk price falls the suckler/beef farmer ends up with money taken out of their pocket to fund the dairy farmer

Beef farmer takes it out ofhis ownpocket paying thatmuch for sucks. What has changed from 8 or 9 years ago when frx bull calves were going for nothing?

Mtx · 11-02-2018 04:33PM

Most suckler farmers have full time jobs, so an income crisis isnt really a reality.

Grueller · 11-02-2018 06:41PM

Mtx wrote: »

Most suckler farmers have full time jobs, so an income crisis isnt really a reality.

So should tillage men then so as they have more free time than suckler men.
Most dairy farmers wives around here work so no income crisis there.
Most sheep men have off farm income too in this area.
No income crisis at all in farming so.

Bullocks · 12-02-2018 08:53PM

Mtx wrote: »

Most suckler farmers have full time jobs, so an income crisis isnt really a reality.

Wouldn't most dairy farmers other halves have fulltime jobs too ? Sure wouldnt that stop a real income crisis aswell

Isn't farming really in a desperate state when we are arguing who deserves state support to keep going :mad:
I just about remember the good old days when farmers used have the craic and pull out of each other over who was making the better money between different enterprises

wrangler · 16-03-2018 11:34AM

Good to see our SOS meetings getting good support
Ireland and Germany are the only countries that don't give coupled payments for beef cattle.
Average payment across Europe is €88 per beef animal.
Average rates in member states vary from a low of €36 per head in Austria to €330 per head on the 35,000 cattle that are eligible in Romania.
So we won't be trying to set a precedent with it

Willfarman · 16-03-2018 11:47AM

Meetings full of fat geese for plucking! Are the meat barons taking the podium to applaud the efforts or is it just the ifa and Irish farmers journal?

wrangler · 16-03-2018 12:02PM

Geese are being plucked either way
Is there over 300 beef barons because that's how many were in Kilkenny
Do you not think that beef farming is at a disadvantage here when scottish beef which is at a higher price also gets a coupled payment of between €99 and €159/hd

TITANIUM. · 16-03-2018 12:31PM

Willfarman wrote: »

Meetings full of fat geese for plucking! Are the meat barons taking the podium to applaud the efforts or is it just the ifa and Irish farmers journal?

Ffs there isn't a feather left to be plucked as it is. If it helps the few of us that are actually producing quality cattle and not the finishers who just feed what we've produced then so be it. Hard to have sympathy for a man haggling with you over the price of cattle when he's after pulling into the yard in 100k Merc!

freedominacup · 16-03-2018 05:00PM

TITANIUM. wrote: »

Ffs there isn't a feather left to be plucked as it is. If it helps to few of us that are actually producing quality cattle and not the finishers who just feed what we've produced then so be it. Hard to have sympathy for a man haggling with you over the priced of cattle when he's after pulling into the yard in 100k Merc!

If it's the fella I'm thinking of he'd look you right in the eye and bemoan how tough things are.

Willfarman · 11-04-2018 09:10PM

I wonder is it possible to for suckler cows to get any nutritional benefit from eating petitions!!

Proposed suckler cow subsidy

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