Another Sinn Fein blunder?

cycle4fun · 07-02-2018 01:53PM

No Johnny, and I have asked a gym owner about this: gyms would not lend out industrial size boltcutters to people if they "misplace keys or forget combination codes to the padlocks on lockers. " Health and safety and all that, not to mention they do not want customers wandering round a changing room possibly opening the wrong locker. And the street where the car war parked was a different direction to the lockers, presumably.

Yes Sherriff, to answer your question, I support peace in the North and always have. Do you? Do you think Gerry was right to shoot a prison officer in the head, or to get those leaflets printed etc?

maccored · 07-02-2018 02:07PM

cycle4fun wrote: »

and I have asked a gym owner about this

did you ask the actual gym owner though ... otherwise whats your point?

McMurphy · 07-02-2018 02:10PM

cycle4fun wrote: »

No Johnny, and I have asked a gym owner about this: gyms would not lend out industrial size boltcutters to people if they "misplace keys or forget combination codes to the padlocks on lockers. " Health and safety and all that, not to mention they do not want customers wandering round a changing room possibly opening the wrong locker. And the street where the car war parked was a different direction to the lockers, presumably.

Yes Sherriff, to answer your question, I support peace in the North and always have. Do you? Do you think Gerry was right to shoot a prison officer in the head, or to get those leaflets printed etc?

Was it the owner of the gym in question?

Otherwise .....

Actually forget it. Debating with a spambot is as much fun as an ingrown toenail.

FrancieBrady · 07-02-2018 02:17PM

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Was it the owner of the gym in question?

Otherwise .....

Actually forget it. Debating with a spambot is as much fun as an ingrown toenail.

Stand by as you are again told categorically what a Shinner's 'real' intention was.

Cycle and her mates on here could save a court service a fortune. If an allegation is made - lock the alleged up and throw away the key.
Bit like the pre-conflict/war court system in northern Ireland actually. Quaint wee thing called 'internment and Diplock courts'. Ah the good olde days!

Wheeliebin30 · 07-02-2018 02:20PM

I want understand how people think a gym will just hand out boltcutters to a member of the public without questions asked.

Anybody who has worked somewhere with a boltcutters will know the strict rules regarding the use of them on-site.

Phoebas · 07-02-2018 02:25PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

I want understand how people think a gym will just hand out boltcutters to a member of the public without questions asked.

Anybody who has worked somewhere with a boltcutters will know the strict rules regarding the use of them on-site.

When Gerry Kelly asks for the bolt cutters, you hand them over and you thank Gerry Kelly for asking. :eek:

FrancieBrady · 07-02-2018 02:33PM

Phoebas wrote: »

When Gerry Kelly asks for the bolt cutters, you hand them over and you thank Gerry Kelly for asking. :eek:

'When Gerry asks for you to come and remove a clamp, you remove the clamp.'

Hmmm, so Gerry's 'intimidation' technique only works on gym workers, but not on clampers.

Not a very convincing argument there Phoebas, in farness.

McMurphy · 07-02-2018 02:34PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

I want understand how people think a gym will just hand out boltcutters to a member of the public without questions asked.

Anybody who has worked somewhere with a boltcutters will know the strict rules regarding the use of them on-site.

So a statement from the gym categorically refuting any suggestion that they gave Kelly the bolt cutters should be imminent I expect

If my business was being accused of breaking some law surrounding equipment being given to the public on the national press and airwaves - I'd be quick to deny it publicly and quick smart.

Any chance of linking to these rules? As someone who uses bolt cutters from time to time I would like to make sure I'm being compliant with them too btw.

cycle4fun · 07-02-2018 02:45PM

Seemingly the gym is inundated with people phoning up asking for the lend of a pair of boltcutters and the answer is no...lol

I saw someone asking a business for the loan of a sharp knife a while back and they would not give it, in case the person cut himself.

Jawgap · 07-02-2018 02:52PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I wouldn't be looking down my nose too much in fairness.
We are still belting out the old dongs at 12 noon and 6 o'clock here and the nutjobs will be emerging from the woodwork shortly to dictate what a woman should be allowed to choose about what happens to her body.

That's true, and we've yet to create "a city on a hill" but at least the Republic is both progressive and progressing. And while the pace of change may not be to everyone's liking at least we've got ourselves to a position where we no longer have to be bound by the past.......unlike NI which verges on theocracy occasionally.

FrancieBrady · 07-02-2018 02:56PM

Jawgap wrote: »

That's true, and we've yet to create "a city on a hill" but at least the Republic is both progressive and progressing. And while the pace of change may not be to everyone's liking at least we've got ourselves to a position where we no longer have to be bound by the past.......unlike NI which verges on theocracy occasionally.

Yes, those who insist on allowing religious dogma to underwrite the non-provision of equality should be resisted.
I see that as my responsibility and have never understood the 'Im alright Jack, sod you' attitude.

FrancieBrady · 07-02-2018 03:01PM

cycle4fun wrote: »

Seemingly the gym is inundated with people phoning up asking for the lend of a pair of boltcutters and the answer is no...lol

I saw someone asking a business for the loan of a sharp knife a while back and they would not give it, in case the person cut himself.

I got a lend of a pair from an AnPost driver. He had them in his van. No bother at all.

I would imagine it is a 'discretion' thing. Have never seen general rules covering them. But Wheeliebin might have them saying as he mentioned there were rules governing such things.

Not sure - yet again, what the point of all this is.

Nobody is hurt here, nobody is out of pocket and as far as I can see, Kelly complied with the notice - 'if you damage the clamp, you pay for it'.

He damaged it, knowing the penalty and paid it. Then the snowflaking/moralising started.

cycle4fun · 07-02-2018 03:19PM

What was an AnPost driver doing with a pair of industrial boltcutters in his vehicle? And when you borrowed them did you mention what you wanted them for / or did he ask what they were for or if he could help? As wheeliebin said,do you " think a gym will just hand out boltcutters to a member of the public without questions asked.
Anybody who has worked somewhere with a boltcutters will know the strict rules regarding the use of them on-site."

And if Gerry was that much in a hurry to get to an alleged meeting that early in the morning, could he not have got a taxi?

Or was it a case of, as Phobeas said," When Gerry Kelly asks for the bolt cutters, you hand them over and you thank Gerry Kelly for asking." I'd imagine if the clamper was asked by Gerry to remove the clamp he would too?

cycle4fun · 07-02-2018 03:25PM

N.B. Francie, you say "Kelly complied with the notice - 'if you damage the clamp, you pay for it'." but why did he not obey the no-parking warning signs and the double yellow lines near the edge of the road and do you not think the point of the warning sign was not to damage the clamp at all, never mind do not park there - instead of encouraging people to damage the clamp and then pay for it?
As policing spokesperson for the party is he not supposed to set an example?

McMurphy · 07-02-2018 03:27PM

cycle4fun wrote: »

What was an AnPost driver doing with a pair of industrial boltcutters in his vehicle?

all the spinning has made you dizzy. No one said the postman had bolt cutters.

And when you borrowed them did you mention what you wanted them for / or did he ask what they were for or if he could help? As wheeliebin said,do you " think a gym will just hand out boltcutters to a member of the public without questions asked.
Anybody who has worked somewhere with a boltcutters will know the strict rules regarding the use of them on-site."

And perhaps WB might come back and clarify what these rules are? They're news to me - that's for sure.

07-02-2018 03:39PM

Jawgap wrote: »

unlike NI which verges on theocracy occasionally.

Questions to the DUP on that one. (Marriage equality, abortion rights etc).

FrancieBrady · 07-02-2018 03:49PM

cycle4fun wrote: »

N.B. Francie, you say "Kelly complied with the notice - 'if you damage the clamp, you pay for it'." but why did he not obey the no-parking warning signs and the double yellow lines near the edge of the road and do you not think the point of the warning sign was not to damage the clamp at all, never mind do not park there - instead of encouraging people to damage the clamp and then pay for it?
As policing spokesperson for the party is he not supposed to set an example?

Maybe, because there was no parking available/he didn't realise it was a no parking zone/he said, feck it, who is going to be up clamping at this time of the morning.

Before he did this, anyone of us could have done the same. There was no need for 'encouraging'.
It is an option open to us if we are prepared to pay for any damage.

Here is the leading online carparts company in Ireland telling you exactly how to do it.
Is Mick a Shinner I wonder?

https://www.micksgarage.com/blog/how-to-remove-a-clamp-what-should-you-do-if-clamped/

cycle4fun · 07-02-2018 04:11PM

But there was parking available on the other side of the gym : someone put up a photo earlier, but it was a paid car park, he would have had to pay for the space instead of abandoning the car on yellow lines near the edge of the road.

You link Micksgarage does not seem to know much: they say "an approach that people take is to snip a link in the chain and remove the chain in that fashion, before replacing the link with a brand new one". How could a link in chain be replaced? Apart from welding? How could the average person replace a link in a chain? They could not.

FrancieBrady · 07-02-2018 04:16PM

cycle4fun wrote: »

But there was parking available on the other side of the gym : someone put up a photo earlier, but it was a paid car park, he would have had to pay for the space instead of abandoning the car on yellow lines near the edge of the road.

You link Micksgarage does not seem to know much: they say "an approach that people take is to snip a link in the chain and remove the chain in that fashion, before replacing the link with a brand new one". How could a link in chain be replaced? Apart from welding? How could the average person replace a link in a chain? They could not.

Therefore, your most likely motivation is for what I criticised him for from the start...he's a tight git.

Politician is tight git, shocker!

cycle4fun · 07-02-2018 04:21PM

You have not answered how the link in the chain could be replaced: your "link" (no pun intended) does not explain.

As wheeliebin said,do you " think a gym will just hand out boltcutters to a member of the public without questions asked.
Anybody who has worked somewhere with a boltcutters will know the strict rules regarding the use of them on-site."

There are numerous safety guidelines online with regard to boltcutters, here are just two of them from 7 tips on one page:

" Wear Protective Clothing
The bolt cutter has extremely sharp edges. It is best to wear heavy duty gloves when working. This will protect your hands from accidental cuts. Gloves also give you a firm grip which minimizes slips when cutting. You also need to wear safety goggles or a face shield. Tiny fragments of metal may fly through the air during cutting. Should these land on your face, injuries could result.

Handle Cutters Carefully
Avoid running your fingers over the blade edges to test for sharpness. The sharp blades of the bolt cropper can easily cut through your flesh."

McMurphy · 07-02-2018 04:25PM

cycle4fun wrote: »

You have not answered how the link in the chain could be replaced: your "link" (no pun intended) does not explain.

As wheeliebin said,do you " think a gym will just hand out boltcutters to a member of the public without questions asked.
Anybody who has worked somewhere with a boltcutters will know the strict rules regarding the use of them on-site."

There are numerous safety guidelines online with regard to boltcutters, here are just two of them from 7 tips on one page:

" Wear Protective Clothing
The bolt cutter has extremely sharp edges. It is best to wear heavy duty gloves when working. This will protect your hands from accidental cuts. Gloves also give you a firm grip which minimizes slips when cutting. You also need to wear safety goggles or a face shield. Tiny fragments of metal may fly through the air during cutting. Should these land on your face, injuries could result.

Handle Cutters Carefully
Avoid running your fingers over the blade edges to test for sharpness. The sharp blades of the bolt cropper can easily cut through your flesh."

Some one call the bolt cutter police.

Here's some safety tips on balloons http://www.themepartiesnmore.com/safety_balloon.html

FrancieBrady · 07-02-2018 04:29PM

cycle4fun wrote: »

You have not answered how the link in the chain could be replaced: your "link" (no pun intended) does not explain.

You can get an answer here: info@micksgarage.com

But if you are keen to do it, you can always just pay for a new chain. They will take the arm of you for cash these clampers.*

*Metaphorically, not with irresponsible use of boltcutters, I hasten to add.

As wheeliebin said,do you " think a gym will just hand out boltcutters to a member of the public without questions asked.
Anybody who has worked somewhere with a boltcutters will know the strict rules regarding the use of them on-site."

There are numerous safety guidelines online with regard to boltcutters, here are just two of them from 7 tips on one page:

" Wear Protective Clothing
The bolt cutter has extremely sharp edges. It is best to wear heavy duty gloves when working. This will protect your hands from accidental cuts. Gloves also give you a firm grip which minimizes slips when cutting. You also need to wear safety goggles or a face shield. Tiny fragments of metal may fly through the air during cutting. Should these land on your face, injuries could result.

Handle Cutters Carefully
Avoid running your fingers over the blade edges to test for sharpness. The sharp blades of the bolt cropper can easily cut through your flesh."

When Wheelie comes back with these strict 'rules/laws' on gym receptionists giving out bolt cutters to regular customers, I will hold my counsel on that.

If they exist and they were breached, I think the gym person should be thrown in jail and the key thrown away. What if it was a child??? :eek:

cycle4fun · 07-02-2018 04:37PM

Wheeliebin asked do you " think a gym will just hand out boltcutters to a member of the public without questions asked.
Anybody who has worked somewhere with a boltcutters will know the strict rules regarding the use of them on-site."

He did not say, as you wrote, there are "strict 'rules/laws' on gym receptionists giving out bolt cutters"

Big difference.

I would hate to see anyone thrown in jail and the key thrown away. Even Gerry, who, according to the link someone gave, shot a prison officer in the head (that was seemingly ok with some Republicans as he was a west Brit and probably a prod)did not get the key thrown away.

FrancieBrady · 07-02-2018 04:46PM

cycle4fun wrote: »

Wheeliebin asked do you " think a gym will just hand out boltcutters to a member of the public without questions asked.
Anybody who has worked somewhere with a boltcutters will know the strict rules regarding the use of them on-site."

He did not say, as you wrote, there are "strict 'rules/laws' on gym receptionists giving out bolt cutters"

Big difference.

Well if these 'strict rules' don't cover gyms and Gym workers, what is the point of even saying it?
I have lent, as I said, ladders and a whole range of potentially lethal tools to friends and neighbours. There is nothing in my insurance to say I shouldn't and no laws that i am aware of governing this.

Yet another 'tangent' running out of steam here Cycle.

I would hate to see anyone thrown in jail and the key thrown away. Even Gerry, who, according to the link someone gave, shot a prison officer in the head (that was seemingly ok with some Republicans as he was a west Brit and probably a prod)did not get the key thrown away.

If a soldier does something in a conflict/war do you hold it against him for life?
That is what Gerry saw himself as...a soldier.

And you can witter on all you want about the legitimacy if you wish. that is another debate. And I really really could care less how you see it.

Jawgap · 07-02-2018 04:51PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Yes, those who insist on allowing religious dogma to underwrite the non-provision of equality should be resisted.
I see that as my responsibility and have never understood the 'Im alright Jack, sod you' attitude.

Deleted User wrote: »

Questions to the DUP on that one. (Marriage equality, abortion rights etc).

Absolutely the problem on that point is firmly down to the various unionist parties and their fundamentalist Christian outlook......I never suggested otherwise, but it still doesn't change the fact that economically, socially and even politically we're zooming ahead, so why tether ourselves the type of toxicity that NI represents?

FrancieBrady · 07-02-2018 04:53PM

Jawgap wrote: »

Absolutely the problem on that point is firmly down to the various unionist parties and their fundamentalist Christian outlook......I never suggested otherwise, but it still doesn't change the fact that economically, socially and even politically we're zooming ahead, so why tether ourselves the type of toxicity that NI represents?

Because we are not selfish? Because we have a social duty?

Red_Wake · 07-02-2018 04:58PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Jawgap wrote: »

Absolutely the problem on that point is firmly down to the various unionist parties and their fundamentalist Christian outlook......I never suggested otherwise, but it still doesn't change the fact that economically, socially and even politically we're zooming ahead, so why tether ourselves the type of toxicity that NI represents?

Because we are not selfish? Because we have a social duty?

Elections and referendums aren't won by appealing to the altruism of the people.

cycle4fun · 07-02-2018 05:04PM

I think we have a social duty to respect the democratic wishes of our neighbours, and not to justify the actions of those who saw themselves as soldiers but instead shot census workers, bombed shops, hotels, restaurants etc.

FrancieBrady · 07-02-2018 05:14PM

Red_Wake wrote: »

Elections and referendums aren't won by appealing to the altruism of the people.

And I didn't say they were.

McMurphy · 07-02-2018 05:19PM

cycle4fun wrote: »

I think we have a social duty to respect the democratic wishes of our neighbours, and not to justify the actions of those who saw themselves as soldiers but instead shot census workers, bombed shops, hotels, restaurants etc.

What about those that shot dead Civil rights protesters?

Another Sinn Fein blunder?

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