Another Sinn Fein blunder?

dxhound2005 · 04-02-2018 09:44PM

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

I think you missed this post from earlier.

He left the clamp leaning against a wall with his details informing the company that it was interfering with his private property, said he would glady replace or pay for the padlock he damaged by removing it.

If that was in Dublin someone probably stole it.

FTA69 · 04-02-2018 09:46PM

amcalester wrote: »

But he’s neither a hearse or an ambulance.

He parked like a prīck but having done the “crime” he’s unwilling to do the “time”. Though in fairness this is quite common for Sinn Fein representatives.

Maybe he didn't park like a prick, maybe the clampers were bang out of order? They often are and as I mentioned above, are often involved in mad incidents of clamping.

And even if he did, transgressions shouldn't be policed by a shower of private profiteering cowboys who go around clamping people's cars.

FTA69 · 04-02-2018 09:47PM

end of the road wrote: »

if it's private clampers then cut away. if it's staff directly employed by the council then the clamping is just.

This basically. If I'm going to be fined I want it to be done by the state, not by some cowboy down the road.

end of the road · 04-02-2018 09:49PM

FTA69 wrote: »

Ah here, joking about people getting their arms blown off etc is fairly crass.

good on him in this case, there is no time to do.

dxhound2005 · 04-02-2018 09:50PM

There could be a nice business opportunity for someone to go round shopping centre, railway station and hospital car parks cutting off clamps. Not against the law apparently.

amcalester · 04-02-2018 09:50PM

FTA69 wrote: »

Maybe he didn't park like a prick, maybe the clampers were bang out of order? They often are and as I mentioned above, are often involved in mad incidents of clamping.

And even if he did, transgressions shouldn't be policed by a shower of private profiteering cowboys who go around clamping people's cars.

In the video clip posted he’s parked in an obvious no parking zone, yellow hatched markings I believe, so your whattaboutery is irrelevant.

Bit ironic too that Sinn Fein supporters are complaining about extra-judicial policing.

Chrongen · 04-02-2018 09:54PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

So still well above ignorant ***** who refuse to park properly and obey rules?

Would you give your arse a chance!

If you skipped the fare on the train, were caught and had the means to identify yourself and where you lived, do you still think it would be ok for the train people to detain you until you paid the fine or would it be ok for you to provide your details and for them to issue a fine/summons and let you on your way?

What is wrong with issuing a ticket? It works in the US and Christ knows precious little works in their system.

04-02-2018 10:02PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

There could be a nice business opportunity for someone to go round shopping centre, railway station and hospital car parks cutting off clamps. Not against the law apparently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBz4NtXRh48

dxhound2005 · 04-02-2018 10:03PM

Chrongen wrote: »

Would you give your arse a chance!

If you skipped the fare on the train, were caught and had the means to identify yourself and where you lived, do you still think it would be ok for the train people to detain you until you paid the fine or would it be ok for you to provide your details and for them to issue a fine/summons and let you on your way?

What is wrong with issuing a ticket? It works in the US and Christ knows precious little works in their system.

I think you are just making stuff up now.

In the United States, the device became known as a "Denver boot" after the city of Denver, Colorado, which was the first place in the country to employ them, mostly to force the payment of outstanding parking tickets

McMurphy · 04-02-2018 10:04PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

There could be a nice business opportunity for someone to go round shopping centre, railway station and hospital car parks cutting off clamps. Not against the law apparently.

You're away behind times. Already exists.

dxhound2005 · 04-02-2018 10:07PM

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

You're away behind times. Already exists.

OK. I expect it is the Water Meter Fairies who diversified?

Chrongen · 04-02-2018 10:13PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

I think that if the Minister for Justice was caught doing this and the media did not report it, Sinn Fein would be asking questions. The police and the courts can decide if it is a non-issue.

John Prescott decked a guy who egged him and was applauded for it by many of the establishment arse-lickers on here, even though Prescott actually assaulted somebody. Kelly removes a clamp from his car and he's a thug in a suit :pac:

I guess that's "whataboutery" in this day and age.

McMurphy · 04-02-2018 10:14PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

OK. I expect it is the Water Meter Fairies who diversified?

Know nothing about water meter fairies, but there's a lad that will remove clamps for a fraction of the release fee in the south Dublin area. He'll only work on private operator's though. Won't touch state bodies (councils etc).

Some people seem to think that removing the clamp = damaging the clamp, when the reality usually is that you're damaging the padlock.

There's a prick that keeps parking in my allocated car park space at work, apparently now I am within my rights to clamp the fcuker, and demand he pays a ransom for me to take the clamp off. That'll teach em.

Chrongen · 04-02-2018 10:23PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Is criminal damage a legal grey area?

It's pretty impossible to put a clamp on a car without damaging the car. That damage may constitute something as innocuous as a microscopic scratch to a hub cap. That's criminal damage, my friend.

BalcombeSt4 · 04-02-2018 10:24PM

FTA69 wrote: »

Ah here, joking about people getting their arms blown off etc is fairly crass.

But actually doing it is alot more crass. The Old Bailey bombing was one of the most violent attacks on the British mainland over 220 people were seriously injured and it was such a stupid place to put a bomb as well, it was a miracle only 1 person was killed.

dxhound2005 · 04-02-2018 10:36PM

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Know nothing about water meter fairies, but there's a lad that will remove clamps for a fraction of the release fee in the south Dublin area. He'll only work on private operator's though. Won't touch state bodies (councils etc).

Some people seem to think that removing the clamp = damaging the clamp, when the reality usually is that you're damaging the padlock.

There's a prick that keeps parking in my allocated car park space at work, apparently now I am within my rights to clamp the fcuker, and demand he pays a ransom for me to take the clamp off. That'll teach em.

Has he got a website?

McMurphy · 04-02-2018 10:37PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Has he got a website?

Unsurprisingly no.

dxhound2005 · 04-02-2018 10:37PM

Chrongen wrote: »

It's pretty impossible to put a clamp on a car without damaging the car. That damage may constitute something as innocuous as a microscopic scratch to a hub cap. That's criminal damage, my friend.

It's not until someone has been charged and convicted.

Chrongen · 04-02-2018 10:38PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Would you pay a ticket from a private car park?

Why wouldn't I?

If they had a legal mandate to fine me for my transgression and were within their rights to send the issue to credit/collection bureau then I would pay.

If they fcuked with my car I would destroy their equipment, I would face the consequences of that and counter-sue them for damaging my property and interfering with my freedom of movement.

Does that answer your question?

amcalester · 04-02-2018 10:42PM

Chrongen wrote: »

Why wouldn't I?

If they had a legal mandate to fine me for my transgression and were within their rights to send the issue to credit/collection bureau then I would pay.

If they fcuked with my car I would destroy their equipment, I would face the consequences of that and counter-sue them for damaging my property and interfering with my freedom of movement.

Does that answer your question?

Freedom of movement doesn’t mean what you think it means.

dxhound2005 · 04-02-2018 10:43PM

Toll booths interfere with freedom of movement and extract a payment. Would it be OK to blow them up with a bomb?

Berserker · 04-02-2018 10:47PM

end of the road wrote: »

if it's private clampers then cut away.

That's not correct and this relates to everyone not just this incident. If you cut away, you are going to damage their property. If you can remove the clamp without damaging it then your ok. You need a key to do that.

Allinall · 04-02-2018 10:47PM

Chrongen wrote: »

John Prescott decked a guy who egged him and was applauded for it by many of the establishment arse-lickers on here, even though Prescott actually assaulted somebody. Kelly removes a clamp from his car and he's a thug in a suit :pac:

I guess that's "whataboutery" in this day and age.

He was a thug in a suit long before he removed the clamp.

Chrongen · 04-02-2018 10:57PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Very interesting John.

Appreciate the story.

Any idea why the bro’s motor was clamped in the first place?

That's irrelevant, Brendan.

If this outfit put nailed planks under each wheel and he kicked them away would that be his "bad"?

McMurphy · 04-02-2018 10:58PM

Berserker wrote: »

That's not correct and this relates to everyone not just this incident. If you cut away, you are going to damage their property. If you can remove the clamp without damaging it then your ok. You need a key to do that.

Cut the padlock. No need to break the clamp. Problem solved.

Dr Brown · 04-02-2018 11:00PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Toll booths interfere with freedom of movement and extract a payment. Would it be OK to blow them up with a bomb?

If your a "republican" then it probably would be.

Chrongen · 04-02-2018 11:08PM

end of the road wrote: »

if it's private clampers then cut away. if it's staff directly employed by the council then the clamping is just.

Have to disagree, Road warrior.
Council, government or private enterprise do not have the right to interfere with one's private property.

dxhound2005 · 04-02-2018 11:12PM

Chrongen wrote: »

Have to disagree, Road warrior.
Council, government or private enterprise do not have the right to interfere with one's private property.

I don't think the rights of private property owners extend to being able to leave their cars anywhere they feel like.

Chrongen · 04-02-2018 11:18PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

I think you are just making stuff up now.

In the United States, the device became known as a "Denver boot" after the city of Denver, Colorado, which was the first place in the country to employ them, mostly to force the payment of outstanding parking tickets

Have you ever seen a car clamped in NYC? In my 7 years of living there I haven't either.
Now one would imagine that a place like New York City, where parking, and the rules pertaining thereto would be the optimum environment for locking someone's car until they stumped up the cash, no?

I have only ever seen cars towed and that after HOURS of being parked in an area where they are interfering with traffic/commerce.

04-02-2018 11:20PM

That guy who came on RTÉ Radio 20 years or so ago after he had been clamped on the first day clamping started in Dublin, and compared the arrival of clampers in Dublin with Cromwell's arrival was on the money.

Gerry Kelly was 100% correct. I haven't a clue why he was, or indeed if he actually was, and I couldn't really care less if they brought him off to Blackmountain Primary School and carried out the Five Techniques on him before sentencing him to death in Crumlin Road Courthouse. But I enjoy the fact that so many sad bastards - the online Jim McAlister, Willie "Fleg" Fraser types - have a veritable OCD on all things Sinn Féin, even trying to make an issue out of something as utterly ridiculous and trivial as this. In terms of predictability, irrationality and, yes, the lamentable sad bastardism disease, these incessant threads are like reading the Sunday Independent in 1993.

Another Sinn Fein blunder?

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