Another Sinn Fein blunder?

McMurphy · 04-02-2018 08:29PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

If I was a Sinn Fein candidate I'd change my name to Chucky R. Law

Chrongen · 04-02-2018 08:36PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Terrorists aren’t known for being law abiding.

Ah come on now, if Gerry Kelly was really that fearsome nobody would dare clamp his car. Punishment beatings for the clampers.

mfceiling · 04-02-2018 08:38PM

end of the road wrote: »

he removed a clamp belonging to a private clamping company. the biggest non-issue possible. absolutely scraping the barrel here lads in an aim to have a go at sf.

And you thank a post saying that clampers are the lowest form of life and rank up there with paedophiles.
Talk about barrel scraping.

uck51js9zml2yt · 04-02-2018 08:38PM

Gatling wrote: »

Sure aren't they all innocent

It's comes under the GFA.

Brendan Bendar · 04-02-2018 08:43PM

end of the road wrote: »

he removed a clamp belonging to a private clamping company. the biggest non-issue possible. absolutely scraping the barrel here lads in an aim to have a go at sf.

You miss the point totally.

He is an MLA, justice and police spokesman.

That would make it a big issue.

Chrongen · 04-02-2018 08:50PM

Fanny **** wrote: »

Did he break the law? Private clamping is a grey area in many jurisdictions

I can't stand SF, would never vote for them but this smacks as a media circus over nothing

Clamping should be outlawed. Who gives some private outfit the right to tamper with someone's private property and then have the audacity to cry foul when someone cuts the clamp off?
If you want to get technical about it aren't clampers effectively interfereing with someone's freedom of movement? Kind of like standing in front of Joan Burton's car?

If a person is parked illegally then note down the details of the car. Take a photograph with timestamp and GPS coordinates, slap a ticket on the windscreen and send a summons in the mail and leave it at that.

end of the road · 04-02-2018 08:53PM

mfceiling wrote: »

And you thank a post saying that clampers are the lowest form of life and rank up there with paedophiles.
Talk about barrel scraping.

the comment was tongue in cheek. if i thought the poster actually believed what he wrote i'd call him out on it.

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

You miss the point totally.

He is an MLA, justice and police spokesman.

That would make it a big issue.

not at all. it's a non-issue that has been blown out of all proportion to make a news story.

04-02-2018 08:57PM

Chrongen wrote: »

Ah come on now, if Gerry Kelly was really that fearsome nobody would dare clamp his car. Punishment beatings for the clampers.

Don't forget the touts :pac:

mfceiling · 04-02-2018 08:57PM

end of the road wrote: »

the comment was tongue in cheek. if i thought the poster actually believed what he wrote i'd call him out on it.

How do you know the comment is tongue in cheek?

Brendan Bendar · 04-02-2018 08:58PM

end of the road wrote: »

the comment was tongue in cheek. if i thought the poster actually believed what he wrote i'd call him out on it.

not at all. it's a non-issue that has been blown out of all proportion to make a news story.

Your view is in the minority, I’m afraid.

dxhound2005 · 04-02-2018 09:01PM

Chrongen wrote: »

Clamping should be outlawed. Who gives some private outfit the right to tamper with someone's private property and then have the audacity to cry foul when someone cuts the clamp off?
If you want to get technical about it aren't clampers effectively interfereing with someone's freedom of movement? Kind of like standing in front of Joan Burton's car?

If a person is parked illegally then note down the details of the car. Take a photograph with timestamp and GPS coordinates, slap a ticket on the windscreen and send a summons in the mail and leave it at that.

Clamping could be outlawed if politicians decided to outlaw it. Same with Property Tax. As far as I know Sinn Fein never did anything to outlaw them, when they were in government.

Chrongen · 04-02-2018 09:02PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

John, forgive me for being a bit pedantic, but the clampers are either legal or they are not.

I suppose we will have to wait for the 'court case' to establish that.

Mary Lou is stepping into a bit of turbulence here as a lot of her 'subjects' seem to think they are above the law?

For a party who were Teflon clean in the very recent past it looks like the mask may be slipping a bit.

Surprised that an experienced punter like Kelly would 'do a Barry' as it were.

Oh I'd say they will be outlawed VERY soon after this :pac:

Chrongen · 04-02-2018 09:03PM

Phoebas wrote: »

It's been reported to the PSNI so time will tell.

Kelly is SFs Police and Justice spokesman, so this might have legs. He's also on the policing board, so we potentially have a man who oversees the police and leads SF policy on justice blatantly breaking the law.

Well if clamping is a legal "grey area" then so is removing one, no?

dxhound2005 · 04-02-2018 09:05PM

Chrongen wrote: »

Well if clamping is a legal "grey area" then so is removing one, no?

Is criminal damage a legal grey area?

Chrongen · 04-02-2018 09:08PM

Are Am Eye wrote: »

Sin Fein want jam on both sides of their bread.
But they're going to have to choose between the bolt cutters and the ballot box.

He was just putting the clamp verifiably beyond use.

dxhound2005 · 04-02-2018 09:13PM

Pictures here of Coveney and Varadkar apparently removing clamps. How did they get away with it?

http://www.thejournal.ie/long-awaited-clamping-regulations-to-begin-next-week-3410544-May2017/

BalcombeSt4 · 04-02-2018 09:13PM

Well if people think removing a clamp is the worst thing Gerry Kelly ever did I guess Gerry Kelly can count himself lucky.

cycle4fun · 04-02-2018 09:18PM

Pepefrogok wrote: »

Honestly clampers/traffic wardens are hated but without them you literally would not be able to drive through the city! Even private property need some enforcement or it would be a free for all, if it was a private company Gerry will be done for criminal damage unless he managed to get it off without damaging it. The optics are terrible due to his roll on policing and justice boards, he really should know better.

Why did he park on double yellow lines in the first place? It looks very bad to people from abroad to see such a political figure, the party spokesperson on policing no less, to use a massive boltcutters to release his clamped vehicle.

What if everyone parked on double yellow lines and used boltcutters to escape the consequences?

cycle4fun · 04-02-2018 09:20PM

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

Well if people think removing a clamp is the worst thing Gerry Kelly ever did ...

Did he not shoot a ............... in the head once?

Guy:Incognito · 04-02-2018 09:21PM

Chrongen wrote: »

Clamping should be outlawed. Who gives some private outfit the right to tamper with someone's private property and then have the audacity to cry foul when someone cuts the clamp off?
If you want to get technical about it aren't clampers effectively interfereing with someone's freedom of movement? Kind of like standing in front of Joan Burton's car?

If a person is parked illegally then note down the details of the car. Take a photograph with timestamp and GPS coordinates, slap a ticket on the windscreen and send a summons in the mail and leave it at that.

Would you pay a ticket from a private car park?

McMurphy · 04-02-2018 09:22PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Grey area of the law, John.

Could you back up that assertion with a tad of evidence.

I think you missed this post from earlier.

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Here's an idea Brenner - up in the search area of the site, type out "private clampers" and enlighten yourself.

Like I said. If Ian paisley emerged from the sod himself and removed a clamp from those **** - I'd applaud him myself.

As for criminal damage, happened the brother before, he called his pal who arrived out to him with a set of bolt cutters, went through the padlock like a hot knife through butter so it did.

Called the cops telling them what he did. Wanted to get his side of the story in first. "So long as you didn't damage the clamp, nothing we can do about it - civil matter" he was told. He left the clamp leaning against a wall with his details informing the company that it was interfering with his private property, said he would glady replace or pay for the padlock he damaged by removing it.

Now sit down Brenner, cos you might wanna prepare yourself foe what I'm going to tell you next. He never did get a call from the clampers - and if you wanted me to guess why, I'd say it was because a private company interfering with another person's private property is in dodgy legal territory. And so long as you don't damage theirs on removing it, not another word about it either.

So (and at the risk of sounding like a broken record here) I couldn't give a shyte what political persuasion any man or woman Is, if they remove a clamp from those **** I say well done, fair play, might even buy them a drink.

Hope I've made myself clear.

Chrongen · 04-02-2018 09:24PM

arctictree wrote: »

Love the way the police/guards are on it like a shot if 'criminal damage' is done to a clamp. Yet if you reported criminal damage to your car they couldn't give a ****.

I didn't see clamps on the cars on either side of his. Were they parked illegally too?

FTA69 · 04-02-2018 09:30PM

I opened this thread expecting to see some proper offensive howler Kelly might have come out with or some grisly revelation about his IRA past, but no, it's just the usual whingers feigning outrage because he wouldn't allow himself to be gouged by some private clamper, who lets be honest here, are probably some of the biggest f*cking pricks you'll ever encounter.

These muppets operate solely on commission and operate on seriously dodgy territory, they've even clamped hearses and ambulances over here. The hands-on-the-hips finger wagging moralising on here is gas, and it has absolutely shag all to do with the issue and all about Gerry Kelly. There's plenty you could criticise him and SF for, give over if you think people are going to be up in arms (forgive the pun) about some tosser's clamp.

BalcombeSt4 · 04-02-2018 09:31PM

cycle4fun wrote: »

Did he not shoot a ............... in the head once?

No. He blew up a court house and shot a prison officer in the head. Never did he once shot a line of dots in the head, that is just slander.

Brendan Bendar · 04-02-2018 09:33PM

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

I think you missed this post from earlier.

As for criminal damage, happened the brother before, he called his pal who arrived out to him with a set of bolt cutters, went through the padlock like a hot knife through butter so it did.

Called the cops telling them what he did. Wanted to get his side of the story in first. "So long as you didn't damage the clamp, nothing we can do about it - civil matter" he was told. He left the clamp leaning against a wall with his details informing the company that it was interfering with his private property, said he would glady replace or pay for the padlock he damaged by removing it.

Now sit down Brenner, cos you might wanna prepare yourself foe what I'm going to tell you next. He never did get a call from the clampers - and if you wanted me to guess why, I'd say it was because a private company interfering with another person's private property is in dodgy legal territory. And so long as you don't damage theirs on removing it, not another word about it either.

So (and at the risk of sounding like a broken record here) I couldn't give a shyte what political persuasion any man or woman Is, if they remove a clamp from those **** I say well done, fair play, might even buy them a drink.

Hope I've made myself clear.

Very interesting John.

Appreciate the story.

Any idea why the bro’s motor was clamped in the first place?

BalcombeSt4 · 04-02-2018 09:34PM

FTA69 wrote: »

I opened this thread expecting to see some proper offensive howler Kelly might have come out with or some grisly revelation about his IRA past, but no, it's just the usual whingers feigning outrage because he wouldn't allow himself to be gouged by some private clamper, who lets be honest here, are probably some of the biggest f*cking pricks you'll ever encounter.

These muppets operate solely on commission and operate on seriously dodgy territory, they've even clamped hearses and ambulances over here. The hands-on-the-hips finger wagging moralising on here is gas, and it has absolutely shag all to do with the issue and all about Gerry Kelly. There's plenty you could criticise him and SF for, give over if you think people are going to be up in arms (forgive the pun) about some tosser's clamp.

Well thanks to Gerry lots of people are missing their arms.

Chrongen · 04-02-2018 09:35PM

Jawgap wrote: »

If he snipped the clamp that's criminal damage right there, regardless of whether he was on public or private property. If he dismantled the wheel, then no problem, from a criminal damage perspective.

Hmm, but is it?
If I park my car (my personal property) in front of your driveway effectively preventing you from driving your car out (the same as clamping as it prevents operation of the vehicle) and you and a few mates push/tow/whatever my car out of the way and damage it, are you guilty of criminal damage of my property?

FTA69 · 04-02-2018 09:40PM

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

Well thanks to Gerry lots of people are missing their arms.

Ah here, joking about people getting their arms blown off etc is fairly crass.

amcalester · 04-02-2018 09:42PM

FTA69 wrote: »

I opened this thread expecting to see some proper offensive howler Kelly might have come out with or some grisly revelation about his IRA past, but no, it's just the usual whingers feigning outrage because he wouldn't allow himself to be gouged by some private clamper, who lets be honest here, are probably some of the biggest f*cking pricks you'll ever encounter.

These muppets operate solely on commission and operate on seriously dodgy territory, they've even clamped hearses and ambulances over here. The hands-on-the-hips finger wagging moralising on here is gas, and it has absolutely shag all to do with the issue and all about Gerry Kelly. There's plenty you could criticise him and SF for, give over if you think people are going to be up in arms (forgive the pun) about some tosser's clamp.

But he’s neither a hearse or an ambulance.

He parked like a prīck but having done the “crime” he’s unwilling to do the “time”. Though in fairness this is quite common for Sinn Fein representatives.

end of the road · 04-02-2018 09:43PM

cycle4fun wrote: »

What if everyone parked on double yellow lines and used boltcutters to escape the consequences?

if it's private clampers then cut away. if it's staff directly employed by the council then the clamping is just.

Another Sinn Fein blunder?

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