Let's all take Blindboy seriously now...

The Moldy Gowl · 02-02-2018 09:59PM

MayoSalmon wrote: »

Have a google there

Ruddy feminists. You can't be a man anymore father.

You live in Ireland. Leave this leftie buzzword bollox back in America.

Crea · 02-02-2018 10:01PM

RGDATA! wrote: »

Who is he a parody of anyway?

He's a parody of a glue sniffing skanger from Limerick city.

El_Duderino 09 · 03-02-2018 05:51PM

smurgen wrote: »

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Young men absolutely do not need third or fourth waves bonkers feminism to help them. Or Blindboy Boatrace.

They'd be better off listening to clinical psychologists like Jordan Peterson or even feminists like Camille Paglia on how to improve their lives.

Exactly I listened to alot of Jordan Peterson's work i heard the Channel 4 interview and it resonated with me alot more than any of the stuff i've heard come out of Blindboys.

So that leads to the question; should I now criticise every aspect of Peterson if I don’t prefer Blindboy? Or should I say ‘ I like one, you like the other and that’s grand’?

The point of this thread it’s to push the first approach by delegitimising Blindboy message because of his appearance and use of comedy to reach people. but I’m just happy that there are 2 people reaching out to different men.

Sky King · 03-02-2018 07:23PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

The point of this thread it’s to push the first approach by delegitimising Blindboy message because of his appearance and use of comedy to reach people.

Wrong. The point of the thread is that blind boy is not a real person, he's a persona. A persona that sniffs glue and rides around on a horse. I find it amazing that a glue sniffing horse riding comedy persona is given a platform to discuss serious topics alongside serious people.

For me this is akin to father Dougal McGuire, Mrs Brown and Alan Partridge discussing mental health. They are all character / personas too. They're not real. Yet people on panel shows engage with blind boy on important topics without a shred of irony.

I can't believe self respecting people do that.

Nabber · 03-02-2018 07:35PM

The Moldy Gowl wrote: »

Of course it exists. It's right in front of you everywhere you look. Just because you can see if for what it is, doesn't mean others can't.
I don't disagree it's a bit load of spoof because it is but that lad culture and big manly men is right there.

You don't think young men or insecure men dont get affected by that?
They are thinking why am I not getting girls, why am I not 7 foot tall with a beard and women hanging out of me. Why am I balding? I'm short, fat, and ugly, this version of me will never have the confidence to talk to a woman.
Maybe if I start acting like them I'll be a legend like them.

How does it not exist?

Nonsense. You are using physical appearance as your base argument.

Women suffer the same peer pressure as men.
One could argue that the female version of the lad is more powerful in her gender than is with the male.

Women and men threat it differently. Majority of men would likely choose power over looks. Could the same be said for women?

Feminism try’s to make two unequal things equal.
Lemons and Limes. Neither is better, neither is equal, both have their own purpose.. Both are a citrus fruit

david75 · 03-02-2018 07:43PM

Blindboy would appreciate the absolute absurdism and abandonment of logic in this thread. Dada be fvcked. This tread is real art.

Baggly · 03-02-2018 07:52PM

Nabber wrote:

Feminism tryâ€™s to make two unequal things equal. Lemons and Limes. Neither is better, neither is equal, both have their own purpose.. Both are a citrus fruit

Did you just assume my fruit type?

beautyobsessed · 03-02-2018 07:57PM

I cannot take a priviledged middle class moron with a Tesco / or spar bag on his head faking a working class Limerick accent seriously - I just can't.

The Moldy Gowl · 03-02-2018 07:57PM

Nabber wrote: »

Nonsense. You are using physical appearance as your base argument.

Women suffer the same peer pressure as men.
One could argue that the female version of the lad is more powerful in her gender than is with the male.

Women and men threat it differently. Majority of men would likely choose power over looks. Could the same be said for women?

Feminism try’s to make two unequal things equal.
Lemons and Limes. Neither is better, neither is equal, both have their own purpose.. Both are a citrus fruit

Ya. Applies for women as well. Probably wouldn't agree on the looks/power thing. It's probably both the same for the sexes with the vast majority choosing power.

Don't think men and women are unequal though. I'd be more of the opinion we are just 2 people trying to get through life. Physical appearances aside, not much difference.
We all like getting the shift and riding. We all like getting wrecked with friends, we all like a cheeky brunch with mimosas.

The Moldy Gowl · 03-02-2018 08:00PM

beautyobsessed wrote: »

I cannot take a priviledged middle class moron with a Tesco / or spar bag on his head faking a working class Limerick accent seriously - I just can't.

Why not?
It's a character or stage persona like millions of other entertainers.

It's a juxtaposition

smurgen · 03-02-2018 08:19PM

The Moldy Gowl wrote: »

Why not?
It's a character or stage persona like millions of other entertainers.

It's a juxtaposition

It's not a character though.sacha baron cohen does charater and persona perfectly as he plays characters to expose our inner biases and the biases if those he interacts with in bruno,borat etc.it doesn't work in relation to blindboy boatclub because he's mixing the persona of the character with his own views.it's a mess.

beautyobsessed · 03-02-2018 09:04PM

The Moldy Gowl wrote: »

Why not?
It's a character or stage persona like millions of other entertainers.

It's a juxtaposition

Thing is, he's no entertainer to a lot of people in Limerick.:)

CatFromHue · 03-02-2018 09:13PM

Sky King wrote: »

Wrong. The point of the thread is that blind boy is not a real person, he's a persona. A persona that sniffs glue and rides around on a horse. I find it amazing that a glue sniffing horse riding comedy persona is given a platform to discuss serious topics alongside serious people.

For me this is akin to father Dougal McGuire, Mrs Brown and Alan Partridge discussing mental health. They are all character / personas too. They're not real. Yet people on panel shows engage with blind boy on important topics without a shred of irony.

I can't believe self respecting people do that.

That was what Blindboy used to do, but now I think he's just being himself while keeping the bag on.

He used to be on Chris and Ciara on 2FM and was the same as he is now, just talking mental health and current affairs etc.

It's a long time now since he was the comedic Blindboy from The Rubberbandits.

buckwheat · 03-02-2018 09:37PM

Sky King wrote: »

Wrong. The point of the thread is that blind boy is not a real person, he's a persona. A persona that sniffs glue and rides around on a horse. I find it amazing that a glue sniffing horse riding comedy persona is given a platform to discuss serious topics alongside serious people.

For me this is akin to father Dougal McGuire, Mrs Brown and Alan Partridge discussing mental health. They are all character / personas too. They're not real. Yet people on panel shows engage with blind boy on important topics without a shred of irony.

I can't believe self respecting people do that.

Spot on. The man speaks well but he needs to speak as John Smith or whatever his real name is if he wants to be taken seriously, not as a character.

The Alan Partridge comparison above is on the ball

buried · 03-02-2018 11:56PM

Don't be listening to some lad with a bag on his head. Go down the courthouse and listen to what the man in the high chair wearing a ridiculous 17th century wig dressed up as Dracula has to say about what happens to peoples lives instead.

These days its seems that some people don't want anybody, bag on their head or no, coming forward and trying to discuss issues such as mental health or trying to live a responsible life. Rather Just keep your f**king mouth shut, rot in grim stale mediocrity and wait for the government to let you know what time you can go for a p!ss.

smurgen · 04-02-2018 12:16AM

buried wrote: »

Don't be listening to some lad with a bag on his head. Go down the courthouse and listen to what the man in the high chair wearing a ridiculous 17th century wig dressed up as Dracula has to say about what happens to peoples lives instead.

These days its seems that some people don't want anybody, bag on their head or no, coming forward and trying to discuss issues such as mental health or trying to live a responsible life. Rather Just keep your f**king mouth shut, rot in grim stale mediocrity and wait for the government to let you know what time you can go for a p!ss.

You right man,the Rubberbandits will save us from all of that.

buried · 04-02-2018 12:17AM

smurgen wrote: »

You right man,the Rubberbandits will save us from all of that.

I don't know about you cuz, but I sure as Hell don't need saving from nothing

El_Duderino 09 · 04-02-2018 03:20AM

MayoSalmon wrote: »

So being a man can be toxic?! Yeah get the boat. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being a man no matter what baseless assumptions you try to find.

This stereotyping is yet another identity politics ploy by the left which are always trying to diagnose how other groups act as oppressors.

Oh lads. If I hear this once more I’m going to burst. I don’t think anyone gas said bring a man is toxic. But there are some obviously harmful things which are taught to men more than they’re taught to women. E.g. stoicism is manly, boys don’t cry, men ought not show weakness.

These things are taught to men and they’re harmful in the long run because of the effect of bottling up emotions in some people is harmful.

He simply says that’s unhelpful.

The cult of Jordan Peterson is an interesting one. The people who rail against Blindboy for saying men should be free to show emotion, tend to fans of Peterson who happens to be an emotionless, humourless, stoic in the way he presents himself. Is that a coincidence? I doubt it.

El_Duderino 09 · 04-02-2018 03:28AM

Sky King wrote: »

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

The point of this thread it’s to push the first approach by delegitimising Blindboy message because of his appearance and use of comedy to reach people.

Wrong. The point of the thread is that blind boy is not a real person, he's a persona. A persona that sniffs glue and rides around on a horse. I find it amazing that a glue sniffing horse riding comedy persona is given a platform to discuss serious topics alongside serious people.

For me this is akin to father Dougal McGuire, Mrs Brown and Alan Partridge discussing mental health. They are all character / personas too. They're not real. Yet people on panel shows engage with blind boy on important topics without a shred of irony.

I can't believe self respecting people do that.

So if a person uses art to discuss one topic, they can only ever stick to that one topic and can never change and discuss anything else. That’s a new one on me. Tell us more.

One day you’re going to find out about an art form called parody, and your mind will be blown. Things will never be the same again once you realise that art can have more than one among.

Klinkhammer · 04-02-2018 08:43AM

smurgen wrote: »

It's not a character though.sacha baron cohen does charater and persona perfectly as he plays characters to expose our inner biases and the biases if those he interacts with in bruno,borat etc.it doesn't work in relation to blindboy boatclub because he's mixing the persona of the character with his own views.it's a mess.

Cohen most definitely mixes the persona of his characters with his own views.

listermint · 04-02-2018 08:57AM

Sky King wrote: »

Wrong. The point of the thread is that blind boy is not a real person, he's a persona. A persona that sniffs glue and rides around on a horse. I find it amazing that a glue sniffing horse riding comedy persona is given a platform to discuss serious topics alongside serious people.

For me this is akin to father Dougal McGuire, Mrs Brown and Alan Partridge discussing mental health. They are all character / personas too. They're not real. Yet people on panel shows engage with blind boy on important topics without a shred of irony.

I can't believe self respecting people do that.

Serious doctor in serious clothes very seriously wondering why young people don't come to him for assistance.

How can he get in touch with those that don't generally seek help he thinks.

He ponders this seriously with all the seriousness it deserves.

... Seriously?

I can't believe people who pretend to think intelligently need to ask this question.

The end

irishguitarlad · 04-02-2018 09:02AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Oh lads. If I hear this once more I’m going to burst. I don’t think anyone gas said bring a man is toxic. But there are some obviously harmful things which are taught to men more than they’re taught to women. E.g. stoicism is manly, boys don’t cry, men ought not show weakness.

These things are taught to men and they’re harmful in the long run because of the effect of bottling up emotions in some people is harmful.

He simply says that’s unhelpful.

The cult of Jordan Peterson is an interesting one. The people who rail against Blindboy for saying men should be free to show emotion, tend to fans of Peterson who happens to be an emotionless, humourless, stoic in the way he presents himself. Is that a coincidence? I doubt it.

Jordan Peterson seems to me to be the stupid mans philosopher, his views on postmodernism and deconstruction are hilarious.

Will I Am Not · 04-02-2018 10:43AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

The cult of Jordan Peterson is an interesting one. The people who rail against Blindboy for saying men should be free to show emotion, tend to fans of Peterson who happens to be an emotionless, humourless, stoic in the way he presents himself. Is that a coincidence? I doubt it.

Make up an unverifiable connection and then ask if it’s a coincidence like it’s fact. Good job :rolleyes:

s7ryf3925pivug · 04-02-2018 11:07AM

irishguitarlad wrote: »

Jordan Peterson seems to me to be the stupid mans philosopher, his views on postmodernism and deconstruction are hilarious.

I don't think he's stoic at all. Repressed maybe. His lectures struck me as a bit hysterical in both content delivery, from the snippets I saw.

Sky King · 04-02-2018 12:24PM

irishguitarlad wrote: »

Jordan Peterson seems to me to be the stupid mans philosopher, his views on postmodernism and deconstruction are hilarious.

I don't agree with everything he says but he does make some compelling points and he makes them well. I've been looking for some robust debate which disagrees with his assertions in the interests of educating myself further.

Ive seen lots of sneering commentary like yours saying he's the stupid man's smart man, but intelligent rebuttals are much harder to find.

s7ryf3925pivug · 04-02-2018 12:33PM

Sky King wrote: »

I don't agree with everything he says but he does make some compelling points and he makes them well. I've been looking for some robust debate which disagrees with his assertions in the interests of educating myself further.

Ive seen lots of sneering commentary like yours saying he's the stupid man's smart man, but intelligent rebuttals are much harder to find.

It's like giving an intelligent rebuttal to chemtrail and lizard man conspiracy theories.
I cannot give an intelligent rebuttal to the notion that many influential people are in fact shape shifting lizards. It's just obviously a paranoid fantasy. Kinda like the idea that Western thinkers are all secret Communists trying to subvert civilization.

MayoSalmon · 04-02-2018 03:51PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote:

Oh lads. If I hear this once more Iâ€™m going to burst. I donâ€™t think anyone gas said bring a man is toxic. But there are some obviously harmful things which are taught to men more than theyâ€™re taught to women. E.g. stoicism is manly, boys donâ€™t cry, men ought not show weakness.

Who is teaching boys/men this?

This is 2018 not 1918 for God's sake.

Again Toxic Masculinity is a made up feminists term to yet again point the finger at men and implies there is something inherently wrong with men if we let them off to there own devices.

If we don't coach and train them there masculinity could turn toxic and the ever present females victims will suffer yet again. Pure ****e.

Hans Bricks · 04-02-2018 07:16PM

Is it just me or is this feminism & "toxic masculinity" crisis mostly just a bluster of nothing confined to the internet and the social media whores ?
I've never once discussed with or overheard these type of arguments with or between men and women in real life. Whether they be friends, family, work colleagues, strangers in public ...
I only encounter these two subjects here on Boards, Reddit & Twitter mostly.

Feminism appears to be only important to the dyed hair, tomboys and "feminazi" fearing Jordan Peterson following males and the white knight "male feminists" who share pitiful repeal memes on the Irish Simpsons Facebook fan page.

Saruhashi · 04-02-2018 09:31PM

Hans Bricks wrote: »

Is it just me or is this feminism & "toxic masculinity" crisis mostly just a bluster of nothing confined to the internet and the social media whores ?
I've never once discussed with or overheard these type of arguments with or between men and women in real life. Whether they be friends, family, work colleagues, strangers in public ...
I only encounter these two subjects here on Boards, Reddit & Twitter mostly.

Feminism appears to be only important to the dyed hair, tomboys and "feminazi" fearing Jordan Peterson following males and the white knight "male feminists" who share pitiful repeal memes on the Irish Simpsons Facebook fan page.

It's better to just look at "toxic masculinity" as a marketing term.

It appeals specifically to a certain demographic and is used to essentially get clicks on websites, sell tickets to lectures/talks and to sell books. Or it's used by social media commentators to increase their Patreon income etc.

In reality you probably only have a niche audience for this kind of content.

Most men and women will have some negative experiences with the opposite sex and will have some broad criticisms of the opposite sex. In general though they will push these aside and build happy relationships.

The people who want to "deconstruct" masculinity and focus on the "toxic" elements are in the minority and are really only preaching to the already converted.

It's not much different than "original sin". If your social circle isn't devout Christians then you probably won't hear much about it. When you do it's usually part of a pitch for some money making scheme by Christians, for Christians (in a broad sense).

Baggly · 04-02-2018 09:53PM

Can I ask what you are basing those thoughts on? Are they your own or do you have any kind of accredited studies to concur with what you are saying.

Because it reads to me like 'well I've never experienced it, so it must not exist and the only reason I can think others are saying it exists is to make money'

Let's all take Blindboy seriously now...

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