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Let's all take Blindboy seriously now...

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  • #692
    Baggly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    Vladimir Poontang wrote:
    We need to raise awareness of mental health these days about as much as we need to raise awareness that rain is wet.

    I disagree. I think it's been common practice in ireland for a long time not to talk about mental health. I think it's still the case now in many parts of the country. I'm glad that's not the case where you are though
    Vladimir Poontang wrote:
    It's an industry and every dipshjt celebrity looking for a new gig are exploiting it


    Do you have any examples?


  • #693
    s7ryf3925pivug
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,007 ✭✭✭s7ryf3925pivug


    I checked out his latest podcast there. Wouldn't have bothered except the ranting on this thread made me curious. Quite enjoying it.

    Still not getting the outrage. I'll try to join in to see if it gives me insight... I did not enjoy the oddball poetry! Orange is the standard colour for high vis camping gear, and pink would not be as effective! The word commit can be used in other ways than for sins! 'Commando dad' is a succinct and well structured book on parenting, and I prefer its approach other books I've looked at not focused on traditional male audiences!

    No still not feeling it. Still found him interesting and amusing.


  • #694
    MayoSalmon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭MayoSalmon


    Pter wrote:
    Would you care to actually discuss it?


    Doesn't exist


  • #695
    Baggly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    Succinct. I like your style.

    Lots of psychologists would disagree with you in published articles, so I'll take their word for it, thanks.

    Why do you think it doesn't exist?


  • #696
    Rekop dog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭Rekop dog


    From what I've heard he is at pains to point out he's not in any way a professional and his thoughts are merely his opinions on the matter and not to be taken as gospel.

    I think his output is sensible, articulate and well thought out and his reasons for wanting to maintain his privacy is also very understandable and admirable imo.

    Anyone deriving negativity from what he's doing is coming from a deeply flawed place. He's admitted some of his motivations are selfish in that positive feedback from people who were in dark places that he's helped does make him feel better about himself but it's the right type of selfishness and good to have the grounding and self awareness to realise it's both good for his own and other people's mental health.

    Most importantly he's helping to normalize stigmas and reaching an audience who may be among the most vulnerable, his demographic of listeners would be among the highest suicide risks. If they find him relatable and engaging it can only be a positive.


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  • #697
    MayoSalmon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭MayoSalmon


    Pter wrote:
    Lots of psychologists would disagree with you in published articles, so I'll take their word for it, thanks.


    It's a made up term by feminists to support their precieved notions that masculinity can be a bad thing


  • #698
    OldMrBrennan83
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  • #699
    Baggly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    MayoSalmon wrote:
    It's a made up term by feminists to support their precieved notions that masculinity can be a bad thing


    I disagree with most of what you have said there so let's just agree to disagree.

    No. Wait. All of it. I disagree with all of it.


  • #700
    MayoSalmon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭MayoSalmon


    Pter wrote:
    I disagree with most of what you have said there so let's just agree to disagree.

    Pter wrote:
    No. Wait. All of it. I disagree with all of it.

    So being a man can be toxic?! Yeah get the boat. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being a man no matter what baseless assumptions you try to find.

    This stereotyping is yet another identity politics ploy by the left which are always trying to diagnose how other groups act as oppressors.


  • #701
    DickSwiveller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,697 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller


    Rekop dog wrote: »
    From what I've heard he is at pains to point out he's not in any way a professional and his thoughts are merely his opinions on the matter and not to be taken as gospel.

    I think his output is sensible, articulate and well thought out and his reasons for wanting to maintain his privacy is also very understandable and admirable imo.

    Anyone deriving negativity from what he's doing is coming from a deeply flawed place. He's admitted some of his motivations are selfish in that positive feedback from people who were in dark places that he's helped does make him feel better about himself but it's the right type of selfishness and good to have the grounding and self awareness to realise it's both good for his own and other people's mental health.

    Most importantly he's helping to normalize stigmas and reaching an audience who may be among the most vulnerable, his demographic of listeners would be among the highest suicide risks. If they find him relatable and engaging it can only be a positive.

    People given platforms need to realize that what they say has an influence on people, and they should therefore be very careful when pontificating on subjects they know little about. Especially when their target audience is young people. WB Yeats wrote about this in his poem 'Man and the echo'.


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  • #702
    Baggly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    MayoSalmon wrote:
    So being a man can be toxic?! Yeah get the boat. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being a man no matter what baseless assumptions you try to find.


    That's not what the term means. I mean yes if you read the two words toxic and masculinity and interpreted those words and those alone that's what it means, but the concept is actually slightly more complex than that.

    It's what we were talking about earlier in the thread. Boys don't cry. That kind of nonsense. Masculinity is fine. But not masculinity that suppresses emotion. That we can do without.


  • #703
    DickSwiveller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,697 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller


    Pter wrote: »
    That's not what the term means. I mean yes if you read the two words toxic and masculinity and interpreted those words and those alone that's what it means, but the concept is actually slightly more complex than that.

    It's what we were talking about earlier in the thread. Boys don't cry. That kind of nonsense. Masculinity is fine. But not masculinity that suppresses emotion. That we can do without.

    What is all this psychobabble? who's telling boys not to cry?


  • #704
    Baggly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    Read the thread pal.


  • #705
    MayoSalmon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭MayoSalmon


    Pter wrote:
    Read the thread pal.


    All 59 pages? Right give me a second


  • #706
    Rekop dog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭Rekop dog


    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    People given platforms need to realize that what they say has an influence on people, and they should therefore be very careful when pontificating on subjects they know little about. Especially when their target audience is young people. WB Yeats wrote about this in his poem 'Man and the echo'.

    Have you actually listened to the podcasts? Can you formulate an actual argument on the negative aspects of things he's said? Because to me it's all very healthy and logical and genuinely struggling to see how someone can turn it on its head and find it potentially troublesome.


  • #707
    dinneenp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭dinneenp


    He's actually very articulate and in his book of short stories has a short story about a girl that suffers from depression, gives some insight into what it's like.


  • #708
    DickSwiveller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,697 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller


    Rekop dog wrote: »
    Have you actually listened to the podcasts? Can you formulate an actual argument on the negative aspects of things he's said? Because to me it's all very healthy and logical and genuinely struggling to see how someone can turn it on its head and find it potentially troublesome.

    No, I haven't. As RTE is completely committed to dumbing down national debate I have had the misfortune of seeing him on the late late a few times. I think he's basically a useful idiot, furthering the cause of the anti-man propaganda being pushed by politicians, media, dopes on social media etc. Hopping on the mental health bandwagon just gives him more exposure.


  • #709
    DickSwiveller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,697 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller


    dinneenp wrote: »
    He's actually very articulate and in his book of short stories has a short story about a girl that suffers from depression.

    Someone once said about Stephen Fry that he's "A stupid person's idea of what an intelligent person is". I fear the same might be said about Bagman.


  • #710
    the purple tin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,943 ✭✭✭✭the purple tin


    Are the Rubberbandits still going or have they split up?
    What is Mr Chrome doing these days?


  • #711
    Vladimir Poontang
    Closed Accounts Posts: 657 ✭✭✭Vladimir Poontang


    the purple tin wrote: »
    Are the Rubberbandits still going or have they split up?
    What is Mr Chrome doing these days?

    Cringing?


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  • #712
    The Moldy Gowl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,889 ✭✭✭✭The Moldy Gowl


    MayoSalmon wrote: »
    It's a made up term by feminists to support their precieved notions that masculinity can be a bad thing

    Jesus.

    Hegemonic masculinity, ie 'mainstream' masculinty is designed to put the idea that you aren't good enough compared to your peers.

    If a few men could be self aware of their own emotions and themselves, they would be happier within themselves.


  • #713
    DickSwiveller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,697 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller


    The Moldy Gowl wrote: »
    Jesus.

    Hegemonic masculinity, ie 'mainstream' masculinty is designed to put the idea that you aren't good enough compared to your peers.

    If a few men could be self aware of their own emotions and themselves, they would be happier within themselves.

    Oh for f**k sake, please stop with the stupid buzz words. Hegemonic masculinity doesn't exist. All those sociology seminars you attended were a complete waste of time.


  • #714
    dinneenp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭dinneenp


    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    No, I haven't. As RTE is completely committed to dumbing down national debate I have had the misfortune of seeing him on the late late a few times. I think he's basically a useful idiot, furthering the cause of the anti-man propaganda being pushed by politicians, media, dopes on social media etc. Hopping on the mental health bandwagon just gives him more exposure.
    How is he hopping on the mental health bandwagon? He suffered depression & anxiety. Him and others talking publicly about it (regardless of if he's intelligent or not) might help people with depression to talk to others about it.


  • #715
    The Moldy Gowl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,889 ✭✭✭✭The Moldy Gowl


    MayoSalmon wrote: »
    So being a man can be toxic?! Yeah get the boat. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being a man no matter what baseless assumptions you try to find.

    This stereotyping is yet another identity politics ploy by the left which are always trying to diagnose how other groups act as oppressors.

    Identity politics by the left? What does that even mean?

    Masculinity and femininity isn't black and white. It's extremely broad, not a 10 point checklist.

    Feminism isn't some blue haired fish mouth woman saying being a man is a crime. What he meant was men dont need to be worried about being a 'man' to a woman, that women are grand. They are like us and well able to take care of themselves.
    You don't need to put stress on yourself thinking she might think you are less of a man if you can't hold her hand through life.


  • #716
    Baggly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    Oh for f**k sake, please stop with the stupid buzz words. Hegemonic masculinity doesn't exist. All those sociology seminars you attended were a complete waste of time.

    Im delighted you and the others agreeing with you are so certain this and that doesnt exist. I guess you are nice and safe in those statements since it cant be proven that something doesnt exist.

    You are coming across as extremely intolerant of views that dont conform with your own DS. Can you not concede that while that doesnt exist FOR YOU, it might for others?


  • #717
    [Deleted User]
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    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yin_and_yang


  • #718
    Baggly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    Im waiting for one of ye to tell us why men not conforming to traditional masculinity and being open about our mental health is bad for individuals.

    Set aside if its an industry and someone is making scratch off it. Its capitalism - everyone is trying to make money.

    Why is mental health awareness bad for me as an individual?


  • #719
    MayoSalmon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭MayoSalmon


    The Moldy Gowl wrote:
    Identity politics by the left? What does that even mean?


    Have a google there


  • #720
    The Moldy Gowl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,889 ✭✭✭✭The Moldy Gowl


    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    Oh for f**k sake, please stop with the stupid buzz words. Hegemonic masculinity doesn't exist. All those sociology seminars you attended were a complete waste of time.

    Of course it exists. It's right in front of you everywhere you look. Just because you can see if for what it is, doesn't mean others can't.
    I don't disagree it's a bit load of spoof because it is but that lad culture and big manly men is right there.

    You don't think young men or insecure men dont get affected by that?
    They are thinking why am I not getting girls, why am I not 7 foot tall with a beard and women hanging out of me. Why am I balding? I'm short, fat, and ugly, this version of me will never have the confidence to talk to a woman.
    Maybe if I start acting like them I'll be a legend like them.

    How does it not exist?


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  • #721
    Rekop dog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭Rekop dog


    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    No, I haven't. As RTE is completely committed to dumbing down national debate I have had the misfortune of seeing him on the late late a few times. I think he's basically a useful idiot, furthering the cause of the anti-man propaganda being pushed by politicians, media, dopes on social media etc. Hopping on the mental health bandwagon just gives him more exposure.

    Well perhaps give them a listen and reserve judgement until after, as it's a far more natural platform than a certain chat show where the host interrupts every three words. But having seen both your level of reasoning here and heard his I'd put you in the useless Idiot category by comparison.


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