85 Corolla. Thoughts?

Working class heroes · 03-02-2018 11:49pm #1

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/mint-condition-toyota-corolla/17231137

Would anyone have any thoughts on the above link please.
I’m looking for reliable modern-classic. I was originally looking for a mk2/3 golf gti and was considering a bmw as well but my search for these are proving fruitless.
I came across this Corolla which has tickled my fancy. I can’t really find anything to compare it with price wise so if someone in the know could advise on this and maybe some general info comments. Any help would be much appreciated.

elperello · 04-02-2018 12:00am

It looks like a good one.

It appears, subject to the usual caveats, to be a nice example of an everyday car from the eighties.
Maybe a little expensive but if you plan on keeping it that should not worry you unduly.
The cost of doing up a bad one should be borne in mind.

GTI's and BMW's were not everyday cars so are really a different proposition.

Working class heroes · 04-02-2018 12:05am

elperello wrote: »

It looks like a good one.

It appears, subject to the usual caveats, to be a nice example of an everyday car from the eighties.
Maybe a little expensive but if you plan on keeping it that should not worry you unduly.
The cost of doing up a bad one should be borne in mind.

GTI's and BMW's were not everyday cars so are really a different proposition.

Thanks for that. Thought it was a bit on the expensive side alright.
Yes I plan to keep it for a good few years so I don’t mind paying a premium for the right car. In general can you tell me what these are like, known issues and the like? Thanks again.

Farmer Tom · 04-02-2018 12:17am

A bag of sand really it’s value.

Working class heroes · 04-02-2018 12:25am

Farmer Tom wrote: »

A bag of sand really it’s value.

Ah I’m well versed in the vast array of of sayings and phrases of this fine isle but that has me stumped a bit. However I’ll hazard two guesses. It’s worth fcuk all or, it’s worth whatever someone is will to pay for it. Am I right

clfy39tzve8njq · 04-02-2018 12:39am

A bag of sand = a grand :-)

kev1.3s · 04-02-2018 12:40am

Working class heroes wrote: »

Ah I’m well versed in the vast array of of sayings and phrases of this fine isle but that has me stumped a bit. However I’ll hazard two guesses. It’s worth fcuk all or, it’s worth whatever someone is will to pay for it. Am I right

Bag of sand= a grand.
Although not to my taste it is worth more than 1k.
I'd much prefer the corolla ke70.

Farmer Tom · 04-02-2018 12:44am

What do you think it’s value is Kev?

Doctors room ghost · 04-02-2018 12:47am

Offer him 1500 for it in cash.shes never worth 4K.worst hel say is fcuk off.the zv plate would put me off and the steering wheel not centred,she’s upside down at only a small turn parked.looks alright from pictures but I’d check well underneath it if I was going to buy it for rot and rust.If it went through an auction I doubt it would touch 2k.they are fairly scarce but they were never an oil painting to start with. If you like it offer what you are comfortable with but don’t get robbed on it.

Working class heroes · 04-02-2018 12:50am

kev1.3s wrote: »

Bag of sand= a grand.
Although not to my taste it is worth more than 1k.
I'd much prefer the corolla ke70.

I honestly never heard that before:)
Jaysus it’s like asking a farmer how many acres he/she has:D
I know it’s subjective but would it be worth 3 bags, maybe 3 bags and a Shovel full? I’m just looking ball park here folks as I can’t find anything to compare it too!

P.S. I’m new to all this vintage crack but I’ll check out some ke70’s. Any suggestions?
Thanks again.

Farmer Tom · 04-02-2018 1:00am

€1,200 - €1,500 really at a push. Nice car for a Toyota showroom.

elperello · 04-02-2018 1:01am

Working class heroes wrote: »

Thanks for that. Thought it was a bit on the expensive side alright.
Yes I plan to keep it for a good few years so I don’t mind paying a premium for the right car. In general can you tell me what these are like, known issues and the like? Thanks again.

Rust is the old enemy.
You will need to go over it up and under with a fine tooth comb.
If it hasn't been painted that is good. If it has be very careful of a cover up job.
If you are not sure get someone to look at it for you.
He doesn't mention NCT. Ask to see old certs.

Hitman3000 · 04-02-2018 1:19am

Slightly off topic my first car was a 1988 corolla. Can't find a matching image, but it was a great car. Would happily buy another if the same vintage.

Working class heroes · 04-02-2018 1:27am

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

Offer him 1500 for it in cash.shes never worth 4K.worst hel say is fcuk off.the zv plate would put me off and the steering wheel not centred,she’s upside down at only a small turn parked.looks alright from pictures but I’d check well underneath it if I was going to buy it for rot and rust.If it went through an auction I doubt it would touch 2k.they are fairly scarce but they were never an oil painting to start with. If you like it offer what you are comfortable with but don’t get robbed on it.

Thanks for that. What is the significance of a zv plate? Import?

Working class heroes · 04-02-2018 1:31am

elperello wrote: »

Rust is the old enemy.
You will need to go over it up and under with a fine tooth comb.
If it hasn't been painted that is good. If it has be very careful of a cover up job.
If you are not sure get someone to look at it for you.
He doesn't mention NCT. Ask to see old certs.

Nct is due next month. Would not go near it unless it was done again.
Have someone lined up to inspect if I like what I see. Thanks.

kev1.3s · 04-02-2018 1:21pm

Farmer Tom wrote: »

What do you think it’s value is Kev?

I think if it's really nice it'd be worth 2 but it's really only worth whatever the next guy is willing to pay.
If it were a back wheel drive DX it would easily be worth double that and some.

Arthur Daley · 04-02-2018 2:56pm

If that 32,000 miles can be verified with documentation, it's worth 3 or 4 grand in my view. If it's that tight and original the seller may have more joy sending it back across the water to widen the market.

Duke O Smiley · 04-02-2018 4:36pm

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

Offer him 1500 for it in cash.shes never worth 4K.worst hel say is fcuk off.the zv plate would put me off and the steering wheel not centred,she’s upside down at only a small turn parked.looks alright from pictures but I’d check well underneath it if I was going to buy it for rot and rust.If it went through an auction I doubt it would touch 2k.they are fairly scarce but they were never an oil painting to start with. If you like it offer what you are comfortable with but don’t get robbed on it.

In cash? As opposed to what? Wasps?

If someone offered me €1500 for a car I had advertised for four grand my response wouldn't be too amiable. That car is worth a helluva lot more than €1500. There is no denying that old Corollas of any description command good coin in Ireland, especially if in good nick.

Working class heroes · 04-02-2018 5:03pm

Just had a look. It’s in very good nick. Only found one rust spot on the underside of the bonnet. History/mileage seems to check out and drives very well.
Told him I’d get back to him with an offer but I can’t see myself offering over 3 grand for it. Need to do a bit more research.

Now for the interesting bit. He has an immaculate 87 volvo 340. It has 170k on the clock but I’ve never seen a cleaner 30+ year old car in my life, almost mint.
He is looking 3500 for it however. What ye all think? A bit strong?

Thanks.

Duke O Smiley · 04-02-2018 5:07pm

Ask him for the Corolla's previous UK reg and put it in here. You'll get a good idea of its condition, and you'll be able to see if its had any fails or advisories for rust etc.

https://www.gov.uk/check-mot-history

€3500 for a Volvo 340 is ludicrous

Arthur Daley · 04-02-2018 5:13pm

He obviously minds his motors though, and/or sources them clean. What a difference that can make.

elperello · 04-02-2018 5:40pm

30+ year old cars that are mint original must command a premium.

If you get a genuine "old guy" car that has lived in a garage and been out for a run once a week, has original paint and no rust and a good interior it will stand to you.

In the long term unrestored cars have an intrinsic value.

Doctors room ghost · 04-02-2018 6:07pm

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

In cash? As opposed to what? Wasps?

If someone offered me €1500 for a car I had advertised for four grand my response wouldn't be too amiable. That car is worth a helluva lot more than €1500. There is no denying that old Corollas of any description command good coin in Ireland, especially if in good nick.

Good lad duke.What a helpful response.wasps?you really are the comedian.cash is king buying second hand cars.have they such a thing as drafts or cheques up your part of the country which Incase you don’t know,can also be used to pay for a car.credit union will do you a draft for any amount but if I was selling I’d much prefer cash in the hand.the lad selling that Corolla is a dreamer if he thinks it’s worth 4grand.he could advertise it for 20 grand if he wanted but it doesn’t mean it’s worth anywhere near that,so I wouldn’t worry about his response if you offer him a realistic price.
It wouldn’t make 2 grand in any auction unless it was pre recession prices.mind would them wasps sting you lad.you would be safer carrying cash than wasps

rn · 04-02-2018 11:00pm

I believe there was some improvement in manufacturing corolla bodies somewhere around the introduction of the dx. We (my dad) had a 1980 ke30 model and it was a complete rust bucket by the time it's clutch gave up the ghost in 1995. That car was bought new and went from blue gloss colour when new to a very light matt blue in it's 15 years service. But it was very reliable and much loved in our family.

We subsequently bought an 84 dx (gloss red) same as your advertised one and a metallic blue 87 dx. From what I remember the refreshed model was a significant improvement in finish and engine. We sold that 87 to a local Toyota mechanic several years later and he still had it on the road and looking immaculate in 2016!

My first car was 1990 corolla xl. I bought it 2nd hand as an 8 year old and it was immaculate. Only sold it for vanity reasons in 2002. It was very reliable and easy on petrol, but it was basic. Brother had next model up, xli I think and he wrecked it in a few tips but engine was solid.

Nice to view these pics and walk down memory lane. Best of luck with it if you buy.

Unless you are a mechanic yourself, I'd buy the Toyota over the volvo IMHO

elperello · 04-02-2018 11:05pm

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/toyota-starlet-only-11-000-miles-collectors-car/17384920

Maybe an alternative, but certainly gives context.

Working class heroes · 04-02-2018 11:20pm

elperello wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/toyota-starlet-only-11-000-miles-collectors-car/17384920

Maybe an alternative, but certainly gives context.

I’ve checked that add out a few times over the last few days. Very tempted to go and view.
Definitely an alternative and you have a point on the context.

elperello · 04-02-2018 11:24pm

That Starlet is for sale for a while.
It is eligible for classic insurance with some companies but won't get classic tax until 2025.

Working class heroes · 05-02-2018 12:14pm

Right then an update.
Toyotas are out, too many restrictions insurance wise. As tempted as I am with the 340 its just too pricey. Seem to be around the £1000 mark in the UK.

I've just had a look at a 97 mini, very good condition. Im going to do the usual history checks and have a garage lined up to do an inspection if things check out. Anyone any thoughts on this https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/1997-mini-cooper-1-3l/17896189

Thanks again everyone for your inputs.

kev1.3s · 05-02-2018 12:42pm

Don't really know about mini pricing but that looks a little beaut. Much nicer than a corolla.

Duke O Smiley · 05-02-2018 12:44pm

That Mini looks great. Leather in the later cars is a very nice thing to have, and very expensive to retrofit. I'm not sure how often you plan on using the car, but that car would be nicely suited to regular-ish use, unlike a much older Mini.

Gravelly · 05-02-2018 12:51pm

God it makes me feel old that these are now considered a classic. I suppose if you're under 30 it probably looks the same to you as, say, an Anglia or a Vauxhall Victor would look to me. I think it's a bit strongly priced, but with classics they really are worth what you're willing to give, and if the price seems reasonable to you, go for it. It probably will increase in value over the next few years. It's probably going to be more reliable than most modern cars which isn't something you can usually say about classics!

Working class heroes · 05-02-2018 12:53pm

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

That Mini looks great. Leather in the later cars is a very nice thing to have, and very expensive to retrofit. I'm not sure how often you plan on using the car, but that car would be nicely suited to regular-ish use, unlike a much older Mini.

Yes its very nice. Plan on driving it about 2/3 per week no more than 5000 miles per year.

I've sourced a lad in Delgany to have a look at it and it turns out he has worked on the car. He says it is spot on. Fingers crossed!

Duke O Smiley · 05-02-2018 1:01pm

Working class heroes wrote: »

Yes its very nice. Plan on driving it about 2/3 per week no more than 5000 miles per year.

I've sourced a lad in Delgany to have a look at it and it turns out he has worked on the car. He says it is spot on. Fingers crossed!

Best of luck.

Minifix in Cloghran might be a good shout to give it a once over given both the car and themselves are in north Dublin. Always nice to be able to have a chat with a mechanic familiar with the car though!

Working class heroes · 05-02-2018 1:12pm

What's the best history check I can do. Cartell?

Duke O Smiley · 05-02-2018 1:17pm

Gravelly wrote: »

God it makes me feel old that these are now considered a classic. I suppose if you're under 30 it probably looks the same to you as, say, an Anglia or a Vauxhall Victor would look to me. I think it's a bit strongly priced, but with classics they really are worth what you're willing to give, and if the price seems reasonable to you, go for it. It probably will increase in value over the next few years. It's probably going to be more reliable than most modern cars which isn't something you can usually say about classics!

I'm not very au fait with Mini prices, but from a quick look at Donedeal I see three decent looking (in my opinion) 90s Minis. Two are €10k and £10k, and another is €6k. The red one linked by WCH looks much nicer than the €6k example too. I'd say its about on the money if it is a good example. I think later examples can and do command a good premium because they are much more usable than older cars.

Personally, and I'm speaking just from my own experience with no offence intended - I think Minis (like Beetles and VW buses) are often too expensive for what they are. I've had a number of Ado16s which I always found to be far superior to Minis. They were Britian's best selling car for most of their production run after all!

Their range (Morris/Wolseley/MG/Riley etc) had something for everyone. An MG or Riley for pace, a Wolseley for luxury or refinement. The bog standard Morris offered everything the Mini did but with more doors and more space.

Thats not to say that the newer 'old' Minis don't offer a lot that an Auston/Morris/MG/Riley 1300 can't - and that is drivability in the modern world. I am not in any way trying to put down WCH's choice - I think that red Mini is a fantastic looking car, I certainly wouldn't say no to it myself! So I hope I'm not taken up in the wrong way.

Duke O Smiley · 05-02-2018 1:19pm

Working class heroes wrote: »

What's the best history check I can do. Cartell?

I always use motorcheck. If you plan on viewing multiple cars they have special offers for doing more than one history check.

Gravelly · 05-02-2018 1:20pm

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

I'm not very au fait with Mini prices, but from a quick look at Donedeal I see three decent looking (in my opinion) 90s Minis. Two are €10k and £10k, and another is €6k. The red one linked by WCH looks much nicer than the €6k example too. I'd say its about on the money if it is a good example. I think later examples can and do command a good premium because they are much more usable than older cars.

Personally, and I'm speaking just from my own experience with no offence intended - I think Minis (like Beetles and VW buses) are often too expensive for what they are. I've had a number of Ado16s which I always found to be far superior to Minis. They were Britian's best selling car for most of their production run after all!

Their range (Morris/Wolseley/MG/Riley etc) had something for everyone. An MG or Riley for pace, a Wolseley for luxury or refinement. The bog standard Morris offered everything the Mini did but with more doors and more space.

Thats not to say that the newer 'old' Minis don't offer a lot that an Auston/Morris/MG/Riley 1300 can't - and that is drivability in the modern world. I am not in any way trying to put down WCH's choice - I think that red Mini is a fantastic looking car, I certainly wouldn't say no to it myself! So I hope I'm not taken up in the wrong way.

I agree with everything you say there, though I should point out that I was referring to the Corolla not the mini (my fault for not quoting the post I was referring to).

Duke O Smiley · 05-02-2018 1:23pm

Gravelly wrote: »

I agree with everything you say there, though I should point out that I was referring to the Corolla not the mini (my fault for not quoting the post I was referring to).

apologies!

SmartinMartin · 05-02-2018 1:31pm

Working class heroes wrote: »

Right then an update.
Toyotas are out, too many restrictions insurance wise.

Do you mind me asking, what restrictions?

tc20 · 05-02-2018 2:12pm

Working class heroes wrote: »

I've sourced a lad in Delgany to have a look at it and it turns out he has worked on the car. He says it is spot on.

nice Mini WCH - going by the reg, nicer interior & rear plate shape, I'd wager that was a Japanese import (I had a '95 for a couple of years) - one thing in particular with these is the engine is an MPI (multi point injection) - bit trickier to get to run 100%, and may have emissions issues come NCT time.
If the guy in Delgany is Lloyd, he's a top man for Minis.
Best of luck if you go for it, one of the best drivers/fun cars ever :cool: (imho)

Gravelly · 05-02-2018 2:21pm

Working class heroes wrote: »

Right then an update.
Toyotas are out, too many restrictions insurance wise. As tempted as I am with the 340 its just too pricey. Seem to be around the £1000 mark in the UK.

I've just had a look at a 97 mini, very good condition. Im going to do the usual history checks and have a garage lined up to do an inspection if things check out. Anyone any thoughts on this https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/1997-mini-cooper-1-3l/17896189

Thanks again everyone for your inputs.

Wonder what the length of chain under the driver's seat is for

:D:D

Working class heroes · 05-02-2018 2:44pm

SmartinMartin wrote: »

Do you mind me asking, what restrictions?

I can only get "driver only" insurance on certain Toyotas. Wanted to get something where if the wife wanted to take it for a spin she could.

Working class heroes · 05-02-2018 2:45pm

tc20 wrote: »

nice Mini WCH - going by the reg, nicer interior & rear plate shape, I'd wager that was a Japanese import (I had a '95 for a couple of years) - one thing in particular with these is the engine is an MPI (multi point injection) - bit trickier to get to run 100%, and may have emissions issues come NCT time.
If the guy in Delgany is Lloyd, he's a top man for Minis.
Best of luck if you go for it, one of the best drivers/fun cars ever :cool: (imho)

Correct on all of the above!

Working class heroes · 06-02-2018 11:51pm

I won’t mention the car yet but I’m extremely close.
I’ve agreed a price and various checks have come up trumps. Just one last hurdle to clear in the form of a mechanics inspection and that’s it.
I shall name it Marty after one of my favorite sitcom characters who recently passed away. Fingers crossed classic dudes and dames!

tc20 · 07-02-2018 10:57am

If it's Marty Feldman you're referring to, then its gotta be one of these

https://img.pistonheads.com/LargeSize/morgan/aero-8/morgan-aero-8-S3281302-1.jpg

Working class heroes · 07-02-2018 11:48am

tc20 wrote: »

If it's Marty Feldman you're referring to, then its gotta be one of these

https://img.pistonheads.com/LargeSize/morgan/aero-8/morgan-aero-8-S3281302-1.jpg

Got it in one:D

_Brian · 07-02-2018 7:09pm

Looking at the mini it’s obviously had some upgrades/modifications even if they are mechanical improvements.

Will this worry classic insurance ?? Or is it a case of say nothing.

I was renewing my insurance recently and it was a big point for them, all modifications from original condition must be detailed or the insurance would be invalid.

Working class heroes · 07-02-2018 9:40pm

_Brian wrote: »

Looking at the mini it’s obviously had some upgrades/modifications even if they are mechanical improvements.

Will this worry classic insurance ?? Or is it a case of say nothing.

I was renewing my insurance recently and it was a big point for them, all modifications from original condition must be detailed or the insurance would be invalid.

I did give them a buzz about that mini and I told them about the changes. They had no problem with the changes. It was Campion Insurance.

Working class heroes · 09-02-2018 9:23pm

Working class heroes wrote: »

Right then an update.
Toyotas are out, too many restrictions insurance wise. As tempted as I am with the 340 its just too pricey. Seem to be around the £1000 mark in the UK.

I've just had a look at a 97 mini, very good condition. Im going to do the usual history checks and have a garage lined up to do an inspection if things check out. Anyone any thoughts on this https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/1997-mini-cooper-1-3l/17896189

Thanks again everyone for your inputs.

Bought the mini this evening. The whole transaction went very smoothly. Very happy with it.

85 Corolla. Thoughts?

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