AGS actively covering up murders

It needs the RUC treatment

givyjoe wrote: »

Except, it will still be the same dodgy people in charge and minions carrying out the orders. Just like dodgy private companies changing the name above the door, to provide the illusion of change, e.g. EY.

pension off the top tier and get people in from outside of the country

lalababa wrote: »

The Garda as an institution could historically do as they pleased. Virtually anything could be done and covered up..with abosolutly no consequences for the members involved or their superiors. We have seen this over and over again through the years, scandal after scandal, with an a yera what can you do sure we'll chalk it down and move on approch.
I have no faith in the institution, zero. It's rotten top to bottom. The judiciary and prison system is not fit for purpose not even the civil law courts. Individually the Garda s themselfs most are ok normal human beings trying to work.
Politically there is no appetite for reform because I'm alright Jack etc. The only way is to try to vote in someone / party that actively campaigns on a reform platform.
Not much chance of this.

Most of us are ok people but aren't willing to speak out against wrongdoing when the rest of our colleagues are actively "going after" anyone who speaks out and making their lives hell. A few folks are willing to be martyrs and speak out knowing that their career is over but for most people digging your head in the sand or just going along with it is the best option.

When corruption exists on all levels who can you go to?
When the ombudsman's own offices are being bugged by the people you are supposed to be holding to a higher standard, how can you have confidence in their ability to do anything without the suspects knowing?

The Times has them as civilian members.

Now, however, two civilian Garda staff have claimed in protected disclosures that some murder cases, and other homicides, were not fully investigated as such, and that they have evidence to back up their allegations.

I was thinking that would be odd as they wouldn't have access to full investigations. Alan Kelly seems to be naming them as actual Gardaí which would be more reliable as a source. It will be interesting to hear the details of these cases. Whether they are right or wrong, it's good to see the protected disclosures system being used by members to bring forward concerns.

koumi wrote: »

If more people stood up against corruption, less people would end up being martyred.

Very true but in this day and age it seems that few are willing to stand up. Keeping a stable job and career going, no matter what illegal or morally wrong **** you see going on around you, is the top priority.

This is only my opinion of course and I hope that in the future the ombudsman or another organisation is formed that is capable to protect and support whistleblowers, whilst simultaneously thoroughly investigating all corruption claims using any and all means that the guards have access to themselves including surveillance using a dedicated unit perhaps even made up of other whistleblowers to keep the corruption from tainting it.

But this is Ireland and although the government and politicians might tell us that is in the works the reality is that the guards will always just get a slap on the wrist or being told to sit in the bold corner if anything.

Captain Obvious wrote: »

But wouldn't the cause of death be indicative of the circumstances more often then not. Sure it can be difficult to discern between an accidental overdose and a suicide but murders are more obvious. I'll be interested to see what kind of cases they are. Are we talking cases where everyone suspected a murder but no evidence could be found or are we looking at deliberate coverups?

I know of 1 specific incident that was deemed a suicide at coroner's court.
This was unusual enough in itself in that the deceased, left no note and made noone aware of his intentions prior to the event(Which in Ireland usually completely precludes a verdict of suicide).
What made it even stranger was that the deceased, managed to commit suicide by hanging whilst his hands were tied behind his back.

The verdict of a coroner's court is wholly dependent on the evidence presented, skew the evidence and the verdict becomes whatever those controlling the evidence want it to be.

wexie wrote: »

may not be a coroners inquest if there is no investigation. Then the coroner probably won't ever get involved. Will just be a post mortem by a pathologist in whatever hospital (if that).

An inquest isn't dependent on an investigation, it's based on the dead persons circumstances. Anything unusual would generally go before an inquest.

wexie wrote: »

What about the difference between someone falling down the stairs and being pushed down the stairs?

That was the example I was thinking of in my follow up posts. Is it cases where everyone knows but nobody can prove anything.

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Unless it was the same civilian staff that over reported the 1.5 million breath tests BS. That's highly debatable.

The issue being that civilian staff wouldn't generally have access to full investigation files.

banie01 wrote: »

I know of 1 specific incident that was deemed a suicide at coroner's court.
This was unusual enough in itself in that the deceased, left no note and made noone aware of his intentions prior to the event(Which in Ireland usually completely precludes a verdict of suicide).
What made it even stranger was that the deceased, managed to commit suicide by hanging whilst his hands were tied behind his back.

The verdict of a coroner's court is wholly dependent on the evidence presented, skew the evidence and the verdict becomes whatever those controlling the evidence want it to be.

Certainly an unusual verdict. Coroners are generally very reluctant to issue suicide verdicts.

Father Ted Crilly: There was a time when the police in this country were friends of the church; speeding tickets torn up, drunk driving charges quashed, even a blind eye turned to the odd murder

koumi wrote: »

I'm going to go out on a limb and make a wild prediction. Following the Charleton tribunal, The Taoiseach will formally announce the introduction of an independent anti corruption agency, which will have powers to oversee all bodies, institutions and organisations, individuals and parties, both private and public with legal authority to conduct investigations and pursue criminal charges or penalties in every respect.

Leo will then be the Irish equivalent of superman, thor and Jesus combined and we will love him forever and build statues in his honor and dedicate a public holiday to him.*

*or we could just say well done on doing a good job.

Paddy Power might give you odds on that if your a betting man. Won't be good odds but they will take your money nonetheless :rolleyes::rolleyes: