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Eir rural FTTH thread

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  • #9722
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    KellyXX wrote: »
    What realistic wireless speed can you get from that router? If you were not connecting via lan what would be the max speed package you should get?

    I have an Nvidia Shield tablet and it tops out at about 130Mb on the 5Ghz. I've seen over 200Mb on a friend's iPhone 8 again on 5Ghz. Whether a newer device would get over 300Mb I'm not sure.


  • #9723
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Cyrus wrote: »
    thanks a lot, so basically i would plug the ethernet cable directly into this and discard the eir modem completely? and work from there...

    That is correct.


  • #9724
    AidenL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 985 ✭✭✭AidenL


    shigllgetcha wrote: »
    They probably get FTTC, I dont think people on FTTC are getting FTTH. I think FTTC is limited to 1.5km from the cabinet and thats just about where you are from the cabinet at assaroe view.

    Just did a quick check - seems the FTTC stops halfway out the road top of the hill as you come past the ESB station. No houses have fibre access after that point. According to the eir number checker anyway. And they are all tagged in amber for the NBP also

    With a bit of luck, they might link up all the houses from that point out, fingers crossed.


  • #9725
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Cyrus wrote: »
    thanks a lot, so basically i would plug the ethernet cable directly into this and discard the eir modem completely? and work from there...

    Cyrus I forgot to mention. If you are using the eir VoIP phone system (your analogue phone plugged into the F2000) then by replacing the eir supplied router you are likely to lose the phone service. Just something to be aware of before you purchase a new device.


  • #9726
    KellyXX
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 365 ✭✭KellyXX


    Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »
    I have an Nvidia Shield tablet and it tops out at about 130Mb on the 5Ghz. I've seen over 200Mb on a friend's iPhone 8 again on 5Ghz. Whether a newer device would get over 300Mb I'm not sure.


    Thanks for that
    Definitely no point getting the 1000 Meg package then unless you are wired into the router.


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  • #9727
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »
    a) Yes it will work.

    b) It depends on how interested you are in networking really. The Edgerouter would allow you much more granular control of your network. There might be a bit of a learning curve involved though.

    https://m.geekzone.co.nz/Forums/66/Topic/205740

    is a setup guide that should be applicable to our FTTH connections.

    just out of interest, I saw this speedtest result from that New Zealand forum and spot what looks like Gpon FTTH speed maxed out as much it will go. Looks like they offer 1000/450.

    I wonder how many year's will we have to wait for Eir to start offering uploads this fast!

    https://www.speedtest.net/result/5824017666.png


  • #9728
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Gonzo wrote: »
    just out of interest, I saw this speedtest result from that New Zealand forum and spot what looks like Gpon FTTH speed maxed out as much it will go. Looks like they offer 1000/450.

    I wonder how many year's will we have to wait for Eir to start offering uploads this fast!

    https://www.speedtest.net/result/5824017666.png

    They have this disclaimer on their sign-up page:
    Our network engineers have suggested that the fastest a customer with good equipment on a wired connection should expect from Gigabit is around 600 Mbps download / 400 Mbps upload (although it’s certainly possible that some connections will be faster.) This is likely the case for other ISPs, not just Bigpipe. Don’t worry – this is still very fast!

    https://www.bigpipe.co.nz/sign-up

    About €76 a month.


  • #9729
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »
    They have this disclaimer on their sign-up page:



    https://www.bigpipe.co.nz/sign-up

    About €76 a month.

    there services are also completely unrestricted, none of this fair usage caps or hidden data penalties. The top pack estimates download speeds up to 900 Mbps and upload speeds up to 500 Mbps.

    Roughly an extra 10 euros compared to what I'm paying for 300/50/1tb data cap. It's still an expensive product in New Zealand but it's far more balanced and fair!. I would easily pay an extra 10 euros for a service such as that in Ireland.


  • #9730
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    AidenL wrote: »
    I have 7 megs down at the 2km range, but 75% of the houses back towards town on that road aren't even connected by FFTC? Any reason why all the houses within the 2m range isn't on the cabinet, or the 300k rural rollout though? Wouldn't it be normal to connect all houses, not just mine, in between the markets to FFTH? Yet its only from the junction where the roads split, outwards which is getting FFTH. I cant comprehend why the 20ish houses in the middle aren't getting FFTH.

    Its an oddball one alright it seems, not the norm?

    Have you tried their numbers recently on the checker? #7 Knader Road is 90Mb as expected, further out they dont have unique addresses so finding out is tricky but their phone numbers will tell you instantly.

    7Mb for you is expected, but those 300-400m closer to town should be doing significantly better.


  • #9731
    Marlow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    Gonzo wrote: »
    just out of interest, I saw this speedtest result from that New Zealand forum and spot what looks like Gpon FTTH speed maxed out as much it will go. Looks like they offer 1000/450.

    I wonder how many year's will we have to wait for Eir to start offering uploads this fast!

    OpenEIR isn't really that interested. You can see this by comparing OpenEIR/SIRO, which use the same FTTH platform.

    OpenEIR: 150/30, 300/50, 1000/100
    SIRO: 150/30, 350/70, 600/120, 1000/200 ... well .. and SIRO are testing symmetric products already, but for biz.

    See the picture ? OpenEIR could have gone with bigger uploads .. they're not really that pushed.

    Having said that, OpenEIR are looking into new profiles for the 2nd half of 2018 (if approved by Comreg, yada yada yada) ... but they're more in the lower end.

    /M


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  • #9732
    AidenL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 985 ✭✭✭AidenL


    ED E wrote: »
    Have you tried their numbers recently on the checker? #7 Knader Road is 90Mb as expected, further out they dont have unique addresses so finding out is tricky but their phone numbers will tell you instantly.

    7Mb for you is expected, but those 300-400m closer to town should be doing significantly better.

    Ed, yep, if you see the red dot, theres fibre enabled up to that point, I checked the neighbours numbers both sides of that point. The house at the red dot shows 90mb available, the house next door shows 5mb available, and it says fibre hasn't reached your address yet?? When I use the number checker, it says no FTTC for me either.

    If you look at the homes to the right of the red dot, they actually are showing 5 and 6mb down on the number checker in general, even lower than I get at my address. The red dot is approx 1k from my house, about 0.6km from the nearest cabinet serving the Knader.


  • #9733
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    Could be direct fed (bypasses the cabinet) but if so the NBP map is wrong and will need eventual updating.


  • #9734
    niallb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,775 ✭✭✭niallb


    Well well.
    Had my first failed install today.
    I hadn't even told the kids it was coming, and kept saying to myself it'll never happen.

    Doorbell rang at 9:20 and there was a guy from KN standing there.

    I started to believe!

    Fekkin gutted :mad:


  • #9735
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    niallb wrote: »
    Well well.
    Had my first failed install today.
    I hadn't even told the kids it was coming, and kept saying to myself it'll never happen.

    Doorbell rang at 9:20 and there was a guy from KN standing there.

    I started to believe!

    Fekkin gutted :mad:

    What was the issue? Ducting?


  • #9736
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,105 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    niallb wrote: »
    Well well.
    Had my first failed install today.
    I hadn't even told the kids it was coming, and kept saying to myself it'll never happen.

    Doorbell rang at 9:20 and there was a guy from KN standing there.

    I started to believe!

    Fekkin gutted :mad:

    The first visit is now referred to as a survey, if everything is in order then the install will happen


  • #9737
    AidenL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 985 ✭✭✭AidenL


    ED E wrote: »
    Have you tried their numbers recently on the checker? #7 Knader Road is 90Mb as expected, further out they dont have unique addresses so finding out is tricky but their phone numbers will tell you instantly.

    7Mb for you is expected, but those 300-400m closer to town should be doing significantly better.
    ED E wrote: »
    Could be direct fed (bypasses the cabinet) but if so the NBP map is wrong and will need eventual updating.
    Updating in what way?

    Would that, could that change the outcome for the bunch of homes I'm included in would you think?


  • #9738
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    niallb wrote: »
    Well well.
    Had my first failed install today.
    I hadn't even told the kids it was coming, and kept saying to myself it'll never happen.

    Doorbell rang at 9:20 and there was a guy from KN standing there.

    I started to believe!

    Fekkin gutted :mad:

    you can only temporarily fail due to blocked ducts or tree's in the way. But that's not really a proper fail because you can get those cleared or the tree's trimmed then arrange for another install. It's extra effort and expense but totally worth it at the end of the day for the connection you'll get. The worst thing to do is just give up and carry on using a dongle.


  • #9739
    niallb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,775 ✭✭✭niallb


    Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »
    What was the issue? Ducting?
    Nope. I had the house prepared and pre drilled from the gable end.
    He'd have had only 1m of fiber to run inside the house!
    He couldn't find where the fiber was coming from, and someone on the phone told him there was no fiber at all on this side of the main road.
    My Eircode matches up to a splice box, and I was also told they'll put in for planning permission to erect another pole to get it across the road.


  • #9740
    Dr. Nick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,437 ✭✭✭Dr. Nick


    Similar to niallb, but almost there.....turns out the pole with the splice box on it isn't connected to the next pole on the road - which happens to be the one from which my duct runs!

    Anyway the KN lads were very helpful and we're looking at a way to get it run from the (further away) pole with the splice box.

    Seemingly there's more trouble coming from the other side (which our pole IS connected to but not with fiber yet) with lots of trees on people's properties to be cut back.


  • #9741
    Alangers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭Alangers


    So second attempt at install FTTH today. First time the KN guy ran the cable to the house before testing the box on the pole (he was waiting for a van with a lift) so did all the cabling first. Then found the box was dead. Waited 1 week got a call from eir to say it was all ready to go. Appt made for 2 weeks time (today) and exact same issue - no light in DP box... ffs. The KN Guy was very apologetic but now I’ll have to take a third break from work to get it flipping installled And who knows if it will work the next time. Signed up before Christmas - looks like it will be Christmas before it’s working!!


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  • #9742
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Bad news for those expecting Sky or Vodafone on the platform. "It is too expensive" they say.

    https://amp.independent.ie/business/technology/news/high-prices-force-firms-to-boycott-eirs-rural-network-36558816.html?


  • #9743
    Marlow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »
    Bad news for those expecting Sky or Vodafone on the platform. "It is too expensive" they say.

    https://amp.independent.ie/business/technology/news/high-prices-force-firms-to-boycott-eirs-rural-network-36558816.html?

    Thats pretty accurate. Especially when you also ask OpenEIR to haul the traffic back to you, instead of picking it up locally.

    Their base line rental is a good bit higher than for example SIRO.

    Especially the installation pricing. OpenEIR is more than 3 times for FTTH of what SIRO charges their wholesale partners.

    Also .. the mention of schools is hilarious. I know of a few schools, where the FTTH supply stops 500m'ish before the school.

    /M


  • #9744
    shigllgetcha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 253 ✭✭shigllgetcha


    Marlow wrote: »
    Thats pretty accurate. Especially when you also ask OpenEIR to haul the traffic back to you, instead of picking it up locally.

    Ive always wondered, how does it work for non eir providers. Does the data go through the local eir exchange and then along the dark fibre to a vodafone server? Do Vodafone pay for the bandwidth from exchange to their services? Does Eir handle everything up to some vodafone server??

    This mightnt be popular but I think eir should be allowed to charge a higher rate for say two years to recoup install costs and it should drop after that.


  • #9745
    Marlow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    shigllgetcha wrote: »
    Ive always wondered, how does it work for non eir providers. Does the data go through the local eir exchange and then along the dark fibre to a vodafone server? Do Vodafone pay for the bandwidth from exchange to their services? Does Eir handle everything up to some vodafone server??

    Scenario 1:
    a provider buys the FTTH or FTTC circuit from OpenEIR and they bring it to the exchange. The provider then has a WEIL within the exchange region locally, where the circuit is terminated and it goes via the providers own network then.

    This is the scenario, where you truly find a different quality as the provider is in charge of bringing the bandwidth as near to the customer as possible.

    In this case, the provider only pays OpenEIR the base line rental.

    This is the same way, SIRO operates with their roll-out.

    Airwire and Westnet for example operate like this.

    Scenario 2:
    a provider buys the FTTH or FTTC from OpenEIR and lets them haul it to their central network point in for example Dublin.

    The provider is charged the base line rental + traffic charges. The provider is also at the mercy of OpenEIR not having any contention in their network, having the necessar redundancy and getting faults in their network fixed in a timely manner.

    This service differs very little in quality from Eir's offering.

    This would be the way Sky and possibly Vodafone operate.

    /M


  • #9746
    Henry Ford III
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 17,944 Mod ✭✭✭✭Henry Ford III


    FTTH is apparently available for a relatives house. 1000mb/s is great. Am I right in assuming Eir is the only player for this service?


  • #9747
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Henry Ford III wrote: »
    FTTH is apparently available for a relatives house. 1000mb/s is great. Am I right in assuming Eir is the only player for this service?

    No. Any of the providers listed here with a green home icon.

    http://fibrerollout.ie/rollout-map/where-to-buy/


  • #9748
    Henry Ford III
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 17,944 Mod ✭✭✭✭Henry Ford III


    Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »
    No. Any of the providers listed here with a green home icon.

    http://fibrerollout.ie/rollout-map/where-to-buy/

    Great news as that'll save a few quid I'd imagine.


  • #9749
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Henry Ford III wrote: »
    Great news as that'll save a few quid I'd imagine.

    Probably not. Eir are likely the cheapest for the first 12 months when you take into consideration install fees.


  • #9750
    Marlow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »
    Probably not. Eir are likely the cheapest for the first 12 months when you take into consideration install fees.

    I'm still wondering, how Eir retail is intending of making a profit, when they're up to 500 EUR on the install already and customers are likely to jump ship when the price hike comes after 12 months.

    I've come across loads recently, that have been send a letter about a price increase of 6 EUR/month, so they can break contract even earlier.

    /M


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  • #9751
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Marlow wrote: »
    I'm still wondering, how Eir retail is intending of making a profit, when they're up to 500 EUR on the install already and customers are likely to jump ship when the price hike comes after 12 months.

    /M

    You would know more than me but I guess they are relying on inertia. Do most people switch providers regularly?


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