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  • #52
    Max Powers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,510 ✭✭✭Max Powers


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    please read the peer reviewed paper from the boe, your understanding of money and its creation is common and flawed as explained in the paper. thank you. steve keen is probably the best to explain the role of money and its creation in the modern monetary system, i.e. banks create money from nothing, on the promise of repayment, this is where a public banking system comes into its own. im not alone

    https://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/banking-on-the-germans-can-the-sparkasse-model-really-put-manners-on-irish-banks-36248820.html

    you are doing a bad job here wanderer..That German bank is exactly what I suspected a few posts ago, it's basically a German credit union..we have them, another thing it says in article....started with capital.
    There is no magic money here, what we have is fancier German credit unions, who too can go bust if they try to borrow beyond their means, they can't won't magic up Money without at some stage it biting the tail of themselves, their creditors, depositors or the tax payer.I think fundamentally you think a loan is creating money out of nothing, it isn't, a loan needs to be paid back, simple as.


  • #53
    robtri
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,473 ✭✭✭robtri


    here is there budget report
    http://www.waterfordcouncil.ie/media/financial/Adopted%20Budget%202018.pdf

    a lot goes on Fisheries and outdoor recreation infrastructure

    a huge amount on house maint.

    and salaries are getting a big bump


    one thing I dont get on the roads... why are private, semi state companies allowed to dig up a road to lay a pipe, duct etc.. and just fill in the dug up part with a crappy finish... surely they should be made repair correctly... so so many roads are screwed up with these patch works... dig a road.. proper repair please


  • #54
    spankmemunkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,060 ✭✭✭spankmemunkey


    robtri wrote: »
    here is there budget report
    http://www.waterfordcouncil.ie/media/financial/Adopted%20Budget%202018.pdf

    a lot goes on Fisheries and outdoor recreation infrastructure

    a huge amount on house maint.

    and salaries are getting a big bump


    one thing I dont get on the roads... why are private, semi state companies allowed to dig up a road to lay a pipe, duct etc.. and just fill in the dug up part with a crappy finish... surely they should be made repair correctly... so so many roads are screwed up with these patch works... dig a road.. proper repair please

    Totally agree, annoys the bejaysus out of me, When a job like that is done an engineer from the council should come out to sign off on finish, Its not ideal i know but its never left right


  • #55
    spankmemunkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,060 ✭✭✭spankmemunkey


    Just to go a bit more on topic

    I reckon one way to go would be to make packing more recyclable.

    I was once told any product with REPAK printed on it can be left in the shop after you have paid for it(Recycling is suppose to be included in the price under REPAK), Not sure about this thought but i deffo heard about it before.

    Reduce packaging and take a leaf from the German Model with bottles being brought back to shops to receive refunds, before you do your shopping you bring back your bottles and you get a receipt for plastic glass and cans, bring the receipt with you and its put off shopping or money at the till if you want.

    This would encourage more recycling and create jobs


  • #56
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,903 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    spankmemunkey wrote: »
    Just to go a bit more on topic

    I reckon one way to go would be to make packing more recyclable.

    I was once told any product with REPAK printed on it can be left in the shop after you have paid for it(Recycling is suppose to be included in the price under REPAK), Not sure about this thought but i deffo heard about it before.

    Reduce packaging and take a leaf from the German Model with bottles being brought back to shops to receive refunds, before you do your shopping you bring back your bottles and you get a receipt for plastic glass and cans, bring the receipt with you and its put off shopping or money at the till if you want.

    This would encourage more recycling and create jobs

    not only would i suggest what you say, id go a step further and push for an overall reduction of the introduction of materials, in particular none recyclable materials in the first place in our production systems, not an easy task though. i particularly like the idea of 'doughnut economics' from British economist kate raworth.


  • #57
    robtri
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,473 ✭✭✭robtri


    why cant we simply make only fully recycling products can be used as packaging and are bio degradable within x months as well.

    give retailers 12 moths to get it done before enforceable


  • #58
    spankmemunkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,060 ✭✭✭spankmemunkey


    robtri wrote: »
    why cant we simply make only fully recycling products can be used as packaging and are bio degradable within x months as well.

    give retailers 12 moths to get it done before enforceable

    I would say the easiest answer to that is vested interests of big business.

    Sometimes it takes balls to make decisions that could be better in general but affect your own standing on a political level etc etc


  • #59
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    I'd bloody ban bottled water - or at least the half and one litre varieties, I appreciate some people have terrible water quality and so buy in bulk.


  • #60
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,903 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Harry Palmr wrote:
    I'd bloody ban bottled water - or at least the half and one litre varieties, I appreciate some people have terrible water quality and so buy in bulk.


    Would this be seen as 'interferring with the market'?


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  • #61
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,031 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    I'd bloody ban bottled water - or at least the half and one litre varieties, I appreciate some people have terrible water quality and so buy in bulk.

    Why would I have to buy in bulk to have a healthy drink?

    You want to force people to buy Coke and the like instead, or would your proposal also include banning all 'soft drinks' in smaller quantities?


  • #62
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Force people to buy coke? I'm suggesting you drink tap water and then stick some in a bottle (unless it's poor quality which I pointed out in the post you just quoted).


  • #63
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,031 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    Why would I have to buy in bulk to have a healthy drink?

    You want to force people to buy Coke and the like instead, or would your proposal also include banning all 'soft drinks' in smaller quantities?
    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    Force people to buy coke? I'm suggesting you drink tap water and then stick some in a bottle (unless it's poor quality which I pointed out in the post you just quoted).

    It was my understanding that you wanted to ban bottled water to save on packaging ....... so you would not ban the same packaging if it had Coke in it?

    You suggestion that I carry a bottle of water with me permanently is ridiculous.
    I buy a bottle of water, of suitable size to quench my thirst, when I require it.
    I do not, and would not, carry a bottle of water with me permanently, on the chance I might wish to take a sup.
    So I would buy a Coke or similar if water was not available.

    That is why I asked if you would also ban the smaller sizes of such drinks.

    So exactly what are you proposing?
    Harry Palmr wrote:
    I'd bloody ban bottled water - or at least the half and one litre varieties, I appreciate some people have terrible water quality and so buy in bulk.


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