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The 8th amendment(Mod warning in op)

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  • #5312
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    De Bild wrote: »
    Pro life marches dwarf the pro murder ones. Most people i speak to rurally and in urban areas are pro 8th. That good enough for you in Caark?

    I don't believe I have ever seen a pro murder March? Where are these being held? Not surprised they have a small turn out
    Most people I speak to are for repeal, so is that good enough for you?
    What difference does that make?


  • #5313
    De Bild
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭De Bild


    baylah17 wrote: »
    Repealing the 8th will save lives and protect women.
    It is a dangerous and oppressive piece of law that has led to pain suffering fear and even death for women in this country.

    No it will lead to casual abortions.


  • #5314
    De Bild
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭De Bild


    bubblypop wrote: »
    I don't believe I have ever seen a pro murder March? Where are these being held? Not surprised they have a small turn out
    Most people I speak to are for repeal, so is that good enough for you?
    What difference does that make?

    Repeal means abortion. Abortion is murder.


  • #5315
    uptherebels
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,063 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    De Bild wrote: »
    Pro life marches dwarf the pro murder ones. Most people i speak to rurally and in urban areas are pro 8th. That good enough for you in Caark?

    you don't seem to understand what providing evidence entails:confused:


  • #5316
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    De Bild wrote: »
    You do know the referendum is about abortion right?

    Oh really?
    Are you sure about that? Firstly I don't believe there is any wording on any referendum they may be held yet.
    Secondly, if a referendum is held, it will be to change the constitution, that is the 8th amendment to article 40.
    Nothing mentions abortion


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  • #5317
    De Bild
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭De Bild


    uptherebels wrote: »
    you don't seem to understand what providing evidence entails:confused:

    You can't provide evidence to the contrary!!

    According to this boards thread repeal the 8th (with the Avonmore Milk logo sign stolen!) will pass 99% to 1%.

    Can you not see you are a clique of posters having a love in (let's hope there are no pregnancies).


  • #5318
    De Bild
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭De Bild


    bubblypop wrote: »
    Oh really?
    Are you sure about that? Firstly I don't believe there is any wording on any referendum they may be held yet.
    Secondly, if a referendum is held, it will be to change the constitution, that is the 8th amendment to article 40.
    Nothing mentions abortion

    Well i wonder why so many people are talking about the subject then and Micheal Martin came out in favour of abortion up to 12 weeks? What do you expect to happen? The 8th amendment guarantees the equal right to life of the mother and unborn. Of all the stupid comments.. What is getting rid of a foetus up to 12 weeks only abortion. Do you expect the wording to be about fluffy pink rabbits.


  • #5319
    kylith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,739 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    De Bild wrote: »
    Leached from your system lol!!

    A baby is a parasite then?! Once the egg and sperm fuse and the genetic code is formed.
    Where do you think the foetus gets calcium from? It's taken from the mother's bones.

    Technically, yes a foetus is a parasite; 'parasite' being defined as "an organism which lives in or on another organism (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the other's expense." However, it's a parasite necessary for the continuation of the human species.
    De Bild wrote: »
    No it will lead to casual abortions.

    I dont' think I've ever seen a description of the effects of an abortion describing it as 'casual'. "The worst period and period pain of your life," yes; 'casual' no.


  • #5320
    uptherebels
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,063 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    De Bild wrote: »
    You can't provide evidence to the contrary!!

    According to this boards thread repeal the 8th (with the Avonmore Milk logo sign stolen!) will pass 99% to 1%.

    Can you not see you are a clique of posters having a love in (let's hope there are no pregnancies).

    when you make a claim the onus is on you to back it up.
    I see groups of posters discussing a divisive topic.
    Like i said when you are in the minority you will be outnumbered in a public discussion/debate


  • #5321
    De Bild
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭De Bild


    kylith wrote: »
    Where do you think the foetus gets calcium from? It's taken from the mother's bones.

    Technically, yes a foetus is a parasite; 'parasite' being defined as "an organism which lives in or on another organism (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the other's expense." However, it's a parasite necessary for the continuation of the human species.



    I dont' think I've ever seen a description of the effects of an abortion describing it as 'casual'. "The worst period and period pain of your life," yes; 'casual' no.

    Your calcium.. take a supplement. Such a selfish attitude.

    If you had an abortion due to incest, rape my sincerest sympathises. If it was because of failed contraception, it wasn't convenient, i offer none.


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  • #5322
    baylah17
    Closed Accounts Posts: 790 ✭✭✭baylah17


    De Bild wrote: »
    Repeal means abortion. Abortion is murder.
    No, abortion is not murder.
    thats a no.
    An n and an o


  • #5323
    De Bild
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭De Bild


    uptherebels wrote: »
    when you make a claim the onus is on you to back it up.
    I see groups of posters discussing a divisive topic.
    Like i said when you are in the minority you will be outnumbered in a public discussion/debate

    You know and i know that i am not in the minority suggested here. Enjoy the love in..it won't last:D


  • #5324
    De Bild
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭De Bild


    baylah17 wrote: »
    No, abortion is not murder.
    thats a no.
    An n and an o

    It is. That's a 'Y' an 'E' and an 'S'.


  • #5325
    Martina1991
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    De Bild wrote: »
    Repeal means abortion. Abortion is murder.

    Repeal means giving women a say over her body and the medical care they receive if they fall pregnant.

    Abortion happens every day in many countries. You cant't stop that. Making it legal here, under certain circumstances, ensures it is carried out safely.


  • #5326
    kylith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,739 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    De Bild wrote: »
    Your calcium.. take a supplement. Such a selfish attitude.

    If you had an abortion due to incest, rape my sincerest sympathises. If it was because of failed contraception, it wasn't convenient, i offer none.
    Yeah, cos osteoporosis is caused by selfishness...

    Can you just answer why your opinion should trump my opinion?


  • #5327
    uptherebels
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,063 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    De Bild wrote: »
    You know and i know that i am not in the minority suggested here. Enjoy the love in..it won't last:D

    of course your not:rolleyes:

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/large-majority-favours-changing-constitution-on-abortion-1.3320833

    see what i did there?;)


  • #5328
    kylith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,739 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    De Bild wrote: »
    It is. That's a 'Y' an 'E' and an 'S'.

    Not according to the law


  • #5329
    De Bild
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭De Bild


    kylith wrote: »
    Yeah, cos osteoporosis is caused by selfishness...

    Can you just answer why your opinion should trump my opinion?

    There are women in this country with over 10 children who have no osteoporosis. It's preventable.

    It's all me, me, me, me with you.


  • #5330
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    De Bild wrote: »
    There are women in this country with over 10 children who have no osteoporosis. It's preventable.

    It's all me, me, me, me with you.

    You really don’t have a clue at all.


  • #5331
    kylith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,739 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    De Bild wrote: »
    There are women in this country with over 10 children who have no osteoporosis. It's preventable.

    It's all me, me, me, me with you.
    How do you know? Are you their doctor?

    One answer. Why should your opinion trump my opinion? Go on, just answer it. Stop trying to deflect.


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  • #5332
    De Bild
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭De Bild


    uptherebels wrote: »
    of course your not:rolleyes:

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/large-majority-favours-changing-constitution-on-abortion-1.3320833

    see what i did there?;)

    Do you need to be quoted all the opinion polls that went down the swaney? Em Trump, Brexit..

    At any rate that poll is way more balanced than here.


  • #5333
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  • #5334
    De Bild
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭De Bild


    kylith wrote: »
    How do you know? Are you their doctor?

    One answer. Why should your opinion trump my opinion? Go on, just answer it. Stop trying to deflect.

    Because murder is wrong full stop. That's why my opinion will always trump yours.

    It's a wonder anyone chooses to have a baby or the human race has survived for so long with this osteoporosis being so rampant.

    You must be a frail little petal.


  • #5335
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    Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    De Bild wrote: »
    Because murder is wrong full stop. That's why my opinion will always trump yours.
    .

    Can you please provide a link to the law where it says that abortion is murder?
    I'm going to guess not. Maybe you should educate yourself.


  • #5336
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    De Bild wrote: »
    Because murder is wrong full stop. That's why my opinion will always trump yours.

    It's a wonder anyone chooses to have a baby or the human race has survived for so long with this osteoporosis being so rampant.

    You must be a frail little petal.

    Why do you feel you have more of a say in what I do with MY womb than I do?
    The arrogance and self importance is deafening.

    If it’s murder than why aren’t women who travel to procure abortions convicted of same?
    Oh yes, now I remember.
    Because it isn’t murder. Even the law doesn’t consider it to be murder.
    You couldn’t be more wrong.

    Your opinion doesn’t trump anyone’s. That’s why we’re having a referendum on the matter.


  • #5337
    De Bild
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭De Bild


    ....... wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    There's fcuk all reading this thread. And for those that are the smugness of a 'do carry on' merchant like yourself might persuade them to keep the 8th.

    From my experience the Irish like plain speaking and that's what i give them. Not gems from pseudo intellects like yourself. Abortion is murder.


  • #5338
    kylith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,739 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    De Bild wrote: »
    Because murder is wrong full stop. That's why my opinion will always trump yours.

    Not an answer. In my opinion, and in that of the law of the land, abortion is not murder. Why should your opinion trump that?


  • #5339
    De Bild
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭De Bild


    WhiteRoses wrote: »
    Why do you feel you have more of a say in what I do with MY womb than I do?
    The arrogance and self importance is deafening.

    If it’s murder than why aren’t women who travel to procure abortions convicted of same?
    Oh yes, now I remember.
    Because it isn’t murder. Even the law doesn’t consider it to be murder.
    You couldn’t be more wrong.

    It might be your womb but you don't own the baby inside it.


  • #5340
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    kylith wrote: »
    Not an answer. In my opinion, and in that of the law of the land, abortion is not murder. Why should your opinion trump that?

    BECAUSE HE SAID SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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  • #5341
    Boom_Bap
    Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,734 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    De Bild wrote: »
    Because murder is wrong full stop. That's why my opinion will always trump yours.

    It's a wonder anyone chooses to have a baby or the human race has survived for so long with this osteoporosis being so rampant.

    You must be a frail little petal.

    MOD
    There is no need to make this personal. Stick to the topic please.By all means debate your stance, but don't just stand on a soapbox shouting and make personal jibes about other users on the forum


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