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The 8th amendment(Mod warning in op)

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  • #5252
    De Bild
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭De Bild


    I am pro life and this piece sums up my feelings. Especially i have the right to do what i want with my body crap.

    https://www.facebook.com/acrossamerica24/videos/160961517847574/?hc_ref=ARTO5piHOhI8kD-w_naNTj5EXKWdCuQB9CEx6oAh-Xl_HqMgjZwZP3jZaSEeYMPdkLw&pnref=story


  • #5253
    david75
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    De Bild wrote: »
    I am pro life and this piece sums up my feelings. Especially i have the right to do what i want with my body crap.

    https://www.facebook.com/acrossamerica24/videos/160961517847574/?hc_ref=ARTO5piHOhI8kD-w_naNTj5EXKWdCuQB9CEx6oAh-Xl_HqMgjZwZP3jZaSEeYMPdkLw&pnref=story



    Pages like that also show videos of parents being forcibly removed from America and taken away from their kids simply because they weren’t born in America.

    Hang on. I thought mother’s and fathers matter and every life was precious??


  • #5254
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    De Bild wrote: »
    I am pro life and this piece sums up my feelings

    A link to an American video on Facebook sums up what this campaign is going to be like.


  • #5255
    nozzferrahhtoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,363 ✭✭✭nozzferrahhtoo


    De Bild wrote: »
    I am pro life and this piece sums up my feelings.

    So your position is summed up by a series of misrepresentations and lies about what the fetus does, and is capable of doing, at 8 weeks?

    There is a MASSIVE lie in the video too. So you are saying massive lies sum up your feelings? He claims about 21 weeks that "Nearly all of the 1 million abortions committed in the western world last year happened after this time". Not by this time. Not during this time. But AFTER it.

    Actually statistics show that in places like and including the US and the UK, with its term limits on abortion, and in places like and including Canada which do not really have limits........ the VAST majority of abortions by choice happen in or before week 12 (over 90%) and the near totality (96-98) by week 16. Would LOVE to know what figures this guy is citing.

    I dunno about you, but I certainly would not take a series of misrepresentations and lies and say it sums up my position on anything.


  • #5256
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,223 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    De Bild wrote: »
    I am pro life and this piece sums up my feelings. Especially i have the right to do what i want with my body crap.

    https://www.facebook.com/acrossamerica24/videos/160961517847574/?hc_ref=ARTO5piHOhI8kD-w_naNTj5EXKWdCuQB9CEx6oAh-Xl_HqMgjZwZP3jZaSEeYMPdkLw&pnref=story

    Fair enough you can feel that way but its not a factual video at all.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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  • #5257
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  • #5258
    Night Falls
    Subscribers Posts: 171 ✭✭Night Falls


    I’ve been told that by the 8th week a foetus hitting keys on a typewriter an infinite amount of times would eventually write the complete works of Shakespeare, and for that reason I’m against repealing.


  • #5259
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    volchitsa wrote: »
    Personally, if it's passed I will be immensely relieved. Hugely so.

    i'm not sure anyone actually "celebrates" abortion though, unlike the first gay marriage for instance, so no, I dont expect there will be much actual celebration as such.

    I agree. I know that I will feel relief when this is repealed (and it will be at some point) that the Sword of Damocles that I spend 98% of my 'fertile years' living under will be gone from over the heads of other women.


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  • #5261
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,962 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Ah shur at least we will all get our say on ballot day now, 'democratically', or will we?


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  • #5262
    bloodless_coup
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭bloodless_coup


    Is this the yoke about killing babies?

    Abortion should be allowed in cases where there will be conditions / disabilities with the baby after birth, to improve the over genetic quality of future generations.

    Abortion should not be allowed as a lifestyle choice. If you spread your legs and weren't careful enough, you gotta live with the consequences.


  • #5263
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    doylefe wrote: »
    Is this the yoke about killing babies?

    Abortion should be allowed in cases where there will be conditions / disabilities with the baby after birth, to improve the over genetic quality of future generations.

    Abortion should not be allowed as a lifestyle choice. If you spread your legs and weren't careful enough, you gotta live with the consequences.

    Absolutely disgusting statement, and sums up all that is wrong with society.

    Talk about slut shaming.


  • #5264
    bloodless_coup
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭bloodless_coup


    WhiteRoses wrote: »
    Absolutely disgusting statement, and sums up all that is wrong with society.

    Talk about slut shaming.

    Slut is a derogatory term. Who would be proud to be slut? "Slut shaming" as a term makes as much sense as "prick shaming".

    Anyway i never said anything about "sluts". I said people who aren't careful.


  • #5265
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    doylefe wrote: »
    Is this the yoke about killing babies?

    Abortion should be allowed in cases where there will be conditions / disabilities with the baby after birth, to improve the over genetic quality of future generations.

    Abortion should not be allowed as a lifestyle choice. If you spread your legs and weren't careful enough, you gotta live with the consequences.

    Anti abortion on 'demand' but pro eugenics - the 1930s would like you to return as you are playing havoc with the time continuum.


  • #5266
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    doylefe wrote: »
    Slut is a derogatory term. Who would be proud to be slut? "Slut shaming" as a term makes as much sense as "prick shaming".

    Anyway i never said anything about "sluts". I said people who aren't careful.

    Your post shows zero logic.
    You used the words "suffer" and "consequences", that would imply you want to punish women for "spreading their legs"(enjoying sex???).
    Your post was extremely derogatory.

    Putting aside the fact that you lay sole blame, burden and responsibility (what about the man? Did the woman get herself pregnant?) on the woman here, lets play devils advocate.

    If a woman was irresponsible enough to "spread her legs" without using any contraception, would you think someone so reckless would make a good parent, if motherhood was forced on them because abortion wasn't available?

    Do you think it would be in the best interests of the innocent child to have motherhood forced on someone very irresponsible, reckless, and probably immature?

    Or are you just keen on the idea of punishing women?


  • #5267
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    doylefe wrote: »
    Abortion should be allowed in cases where there will be conditions / disabilities with the baby after birth, to improve the over genetic quality of future generations.
    In any case, many of the conditions which result in serious of life-limiting defects (such as Down's) are not strictly hereditary and often have the knock-on effect of making the individual infertile.

    So whether you're serious or facetious, your statement is nonsense.


  • #5268
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    doylefe wrote: »
    Is this the yoke about killing babies?

    Abortion should be allowed in cases where there will be conditions / disabilities with the baby after birth, to improve the over genetic quality of future generations.

    Abortion should not be allowed as a lifestyle choice. If you spread your legs and weren't careful enough, you gotta live with the consequences.
    Mod note: doylefe, don't post in this thread again.

    Buford T. Justice


  • #5269
    De Bild
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭De Bild


    nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »
    So your position is summed up by a series of misrepresentations and lies about what the fetus does, and is capable of doing, at 8 weeks?

    There is a MASSIVE lie in the video too. So you are saying massive lies sum up your feelings? He claims about 21 weeks that "Nearly all of the 1 million abortions committed in the western world last year happened after this time". Not by this time. Not during this time. But AFTER it.

    Actually statistics show that in places like and including the US and the UK, with its term limits on abortion, and in places like and including Canada which do not really have limits........ the VAST majority of abortions by choice happen in or before week 12 (over 90%) and the near totality (96-98) by week 16. Would LOVE to know what figures this guy is citing.

    I dunno about you, but I certainly would not take a series of misrepresentations and lies and say it sums up my position on anything.

    Dress it up whatever way you all like. Murder is Murder.

    Reading a boards thread like this one would think 95% of people are pro repeal. A fella makes a comment that abortion will mostly be used for unplanned pregnancies and he is banned.

    That's freedom of speech in Ireland for you!

    The LGBT referendum also involved bullying of persons who were not in favour. If they spoke against for valid reasons they were lynched by the mob. Yet 37% of the population were against it despite all taxpayers money spent in favour and all propaganda.

    Ireland and democracy.. my ar*e.

    A child is a human after conception. End of. No other human being has the right to murder it.

    Gay Pride marches etc do my head in. I've no problem with anyone's sexuality but at this stage the LGBT is on such a pedestal that we need STRAIGHT marches.

    Go on and ban me mods because i don't follow the boards agenda.


  • #5270
    Call me Al
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭Call me Al


    De Bild... are you againat abortiin in cases of rape, incest or FFA?


  • #5271
    De Bild
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭De Bild


    Call me Al wrote: »
    De Bild... are you againat abortiin in cases of rape, incest or FFA?

    If the life of the mother is in danger by expert medical opinion. If abortion on demand comes in too many innocents will die, 'convenience termination'.


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  • #5272
    Call me Al
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭Call me Al


    De Bild wrote: »
    If the life of the mother is in danger by expert medical opinion. If abortion on demand comes in too many innocents will die, 'convenience termination'.
    So yes you're against abortion in the those things I've listed?
    I think that's what you're saying above.


  • #5273
    Night Falls
    Subscribers Posts: 171 ✭✭Night Falls


    De Bild wrote: »
    Dress it up whatever way you all like. Murder is Murder.

    Reading a boards thread like this one would think 95% of people are pro repeal. A fella makes a comment that abortion will mostly be used for unplanned pregnancies and he is banned.

    That's freedom of speech in Ireland for you!

    The LGBT referendum also involved bullying of persons who were not in favour. If they spoke against for valid reasons they were lynched by the mob. Yet 37% of the population were against it despite all taxpayers money spent in favour and all propaganda.

    Ireland and democracy.. my ar*e.

    A child is a human after conception. End of. No other human being has the right to murder it.

    Gay Pride marches etc do my head in. I've no problem with anyone's sexuality but at this stage the LGBT is on such a pedestal that we need STRAIGHT marches.

    Go on and ban me mods because i don't follow the boards agenda.

    The array of utter stupidity in this post is impressive.


  • #5274
    Mr. CooL ICE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,810 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    De Bild wrote: »
    Dress it up whatever way you all like. Murder is Murder.

    Reading a boards thread like this one would think 95% of people are pro repeal. A fella makes a comment that abortion will mostly be used for unplanned pregnancies and he is banned.

    That's freedom of speech in Ireland for you!

    The LGBT referendum also involved bullying of persons who were not in favour. If they spoke against for valid reasons they were lynched by the mob. Yet 37% of the population were against it despite all taxpayers money spent in favour and all propaganda.

    Ireland and democracy.. my ar*e.

    A child is a human after conception. End of. No other human being has the right to murder it.

    Gay Pride marches etc do my head in. I've no problem with anyone's sexuality but at this stage the LGBT is on such a pedestal that we need STRAIGHT marches.

    Go on and ban me mods because i don't follow the boards agenda.

    Mod: There is no boards agenda. People don't get carded/banned for having differing viewpoints. They get carded/banned for breaking the charter and generally disturbing the peace.

    Don't discuss mod decisions on-thread. If a post needs mod attention, use the Report Post function. If you want to question mod decisions, PM the mod in question.

    Let this be the end of it.


  • #5275
    De Bild
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭De Bild


    Night Falls wrote: »
    The array of utter stupidity in this post is impressive.

    The truth hurts Night Falls. I wouldn't expect to find you in Mensa. One liners are easy.


  • #5276
    nozzferrahhtoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,363 ✭✭✭nozzferrahhtoo


    De Bild wrote: »
    Dress it up whatever way you all like.

    No thanks, I will take reality as it is without distorting it like your little video link does. The simple fact is that he did not cite his figures and ALL the figures I know are completely different to what he claims them to be. By a LONG way.

    So I am not the one dressing things up here.
    De Bild wrote: »
    Murder is Murder.

    Yes it is, but "murder" has a very specific meaning. A meaning you would do well to learn before equivocating over the term.
    De Bild wrote: »
    A fella makes a comment that abortion will mostly be used for unplanned pregnancies and he is banned.

    I am not sure who or what you are talking about here, but I can not see anyone being banned for that. Aside from abortions due to medical necessity, most abortions ARE of unplanned and unwanted pregnancies. Hardly the stuff of surprise that.

    So I would be very much surprised if you can find ANYONE who was banned merely for saying that. Perhaps you can find evidence of that at the same time as looking for evidence of the egregiously dishonest and wholly invented statistic the guy in your video link cited.
    De Bild wrote: »
    That's freedom of speech in Ireland for you!

    That is something else you might do well to learn the meaning of, while you are looking up what "murder" means. Ireland is an example of a country with Free Speech. An internet forum that is privately owned however is legally very different. Free speech means you have the right to say what you want (with few limitations) but it also means that the owner of any given forum.... online or offline...... is in no way compelled to give you a platform to say it. Nothing about free speech compels them to do that.
    De Bild wrote: »
    The LGBT referendum also involved bullying of persons who were not in favour. If they spoke against for valid reasons they were lynched by the mob. Yet 37% of the population were against it despite all taxpayers money spent in favour and all propaganda.

    Ireland and democracy.. my ar*e.

    How so? That is how democracy works. And many things that democracy votes on have MUCH closer margins than 37%:64%. What margin should there be in a vote before you personally feel democracy has done it's job?
    De Bild wrote: »
    A child is a human after conception. End of. No other human being has the right to murder it.

    Except "Human" means different things in different contexts. Biologically it is "human" at conception yes. No one on this entire thread appears to have denied that yet.

    But when it comes to rights, there is more to "human" and what it means to be a human and a "person" then mere biology.... and that appears to be the bit you are missing.
    De Bild wrote: »
    Gay Pride marches etc do my head in. I've no problem with anyone's sexuality but at this stage the LGBT is on such a pedestal that we need STRAIGHT marches.

    I have NO idea what that has to do with either this thread or the rest of your post. At this point it looks like you are posting all the filler you can to distract from the dishonesty and even outright lies your video link contained, which you can not now defend or discuss.


  • #5277
    De Bild
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭De Bild


    nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »
    No thanks, I will take reality as it is without distorting it like your little video link does. The simple fact is that he did not cite his figures and ALL the figures I know are completely different to what he claims them to be. By a LONG way.

    So I am not the one dressing things up here.



    Yes it is, but "murder" has a very specific meaning. A meaning you would do well to learn before equivocating over the term.



    I am not sure who or what you are talking about here, but I can not see anyone being banned for that. Aside from abortions due to medical necessity, most abortions ARE of unplanned and unwanted pregnancies. Hardly the stuff of surprise that.

    So I would be very much surprised if you can find ANYONE who was banned merely for saying that. Perhaps you can find evidence of that at the same time as looking for evidence of the egregiously dishonest and wholly invented statistic the guy in your video link cited.



    That is something else you might do well to learn the meaning of, while you are looking up what "murder" means. Ireland is an example of a country with Free Speech. An internet forum that is privately owned however is legally very different. Free speech means you have the right to say what you want (with few limitations) but it also means that the owner of any given forum.... online or offline...... is in no way compelled to give you a platform to say it. Nothing about free speech compels them to do that.



    How so? That is how democracy works. And many things that democracy votes on have MUCH closer margins than 37%:64%. What margin should there be in a vote before you personally feel democracy has done it's job?



    Except "Human" means different things in different contexts. Biologically it is "human" at conception yes. No one on this entire thread appears to have denied that yet.

    But when it comes to rights, there is more to "human" and what it means to be a human and a "person" then mere biology.... and that appears to be the bit you are missing.



    I have NO idea what that has to do with either this thread or the rest of your post. At this point it looks like you are posting all the filler you can to distract from the dishonesty and even outright lies your video link contained, which you can not now defend or discuss.

    The video contained a few home truths at the end about people claiming ownership of another human.

    Your whole post is equivocation. The murder of an unborn baby is the same as a human being of any age on humanitarian grounds.


  • #5278
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    De Bild wrote: »
    Your whole post is equivocation. The murder of an unborn baby is the same as a human being of any age on humanitarian grounds.
    In your opinion it is.

    However, there is no law or science which you can use to back up that opinion.


  • #5279
    nozzferrahhtoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,363 ✭✭✭nozzferrahhtoo


    De Bild wrote: »
    The video contained a few home truths at the end about people claiming ownership of another human.

    Your whole post is equivocation. The murder of an unborn baby is the same as a human being of any age on humanitarian grounds.

    I am not seeing anything in the video that was true. And I have pointed out at least one thing in the video that was wholly and blatantly an outright lie. A lie invented with a clear agenda to shock people into being against something the speaker has no actual arguments against.

    As for "Your whole post is equivocation" you said it yourself "One liners are easy." So easy to dismiss my post with a one liner without addressing a single thing in it.

    But no there is nothing "humanitarian" supporting your position here. If you have any interest in changing anyone's mind on abortion, rather than just perhaps hearing your own voice, then the way to do it is to establish a set of reasoning as to why we should hold moral and ethical concern for a zygote at conception. Aside from shouting the word "human" at it, you have not moved to do this.

    And if conception is your issue, you might want to campaign against the MAP too, not just abortion.


  • #5280
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,912 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    De Bild wrote: »
    The video contained a few home truths at the end about people claiming ownership of another human.

    Your whole post is equivocation. The murder of an unborn baby is the same as a human being of any age on humanitarian grounds.


    the video contained a whole load of lies.


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  • #5281
    kylith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,739 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    De Bild wrote: »
    The murder of an unborn baby is the same as a human being of any age on humanitarian grounds.

    IN YOUR OPINION

    Why should your opinion trump my opinion that a foetus should have no 'right to life' until it is at a stage where it can exist independently of the woman carrying it?


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