The 8th amendment(Mod warning in op)

Kermit.de.frog · 26-01-2018 11:17AM

applehunter wrote: »

The Abortion Times.:D

Not far wrong.

Well, they are. Completely accurate. Agendas on all sides should be well known.

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tigger123 · 26-01-2018 11:23AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Bull****. It does NOT say "abortion on request" - i.e demand - in the question.

It is abortion with conditions at the most.

Read the question properly.

False reporting by the Irish Times.

I said it says "on request" in the headline, which it does.

It doesn't say on demand or on request in the question.

Nobody is saying "on demand" except you ...?

Kermit.de.frog · 26-01-2018 11:25AM

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I have no agenda but I will call out bs media on such an issue.

That is disgraceful by the IT. Kitty Holland no doubt behind it.

The question in no way fits their conclusions.

If it was the other way with another bs poll in another outlet and false headline attached against i'd call it out equally as virulently.

Bannasidhe · 26-01-2018 11:25AM

tigger123 wrote: »

I said it says "on request" in the headline, which it does.

It doesn't say on demand or on request in the question.

Nobody is saying "on demand" except you ...?

But Kermit is saying it agnostically so no agenda here k.

ohnonotgmail · 26-01-2018 11:28AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Bull****. It does NOT say "abortion on request" - i.e demand - in the question.

It is abortion with conditions at the most.

Read the question properly.

False reporting by the Irish Times.

is says allow the government to legislate for abortion up to 12 weeks. no mention of conditions. i think is clear who has the agenda here. and it is not the IT.

Kermit.de.frog · 26-01-2018 11:28AM

tigger123 wrote: »

I said it says "on request" in the headline, which it does.

It doesn't say on demand or on request in the question.

Duh

Did you read what I typed? That is my problem with it.

They have twisted a narrative that does not exist from the poll.

The headline has no relation with the poll.

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tigger123 · 26-01-2018 11:30AM

You can really tell when one side is starting to lose a debate.

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Kermit.de.frog · 26-01-2018 11:31AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

is says allow the government to legislate for abortion up to 12 weeks.

Legislate is not "on request".

They will "legislate" through the Dáil and all sorts of conditions will be attached. That is the nature of politics.

The headline and article does not match the question. Simple.

ohnonotgmail · 26-01-2018 11:33AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Legislate is not "on request".

They will "legislate" through the Dáil and all sorts of conditions will be attached. That is the nature of politics.

The headline and article does not match the question. Simple.

the recommendation regarding the legislation was quite clear. there was no mention of conditions in the recommendations

tigger123 · 26-01-2018 11:35AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Legislate is not "on request".

They will "legislate" through the Dáil and all sorts of conditions will be attached. That is the nature of politics.

The headline and article does not match the question. Simple.

The government isn't going to legislate against the will of the people, or against the result of a referendum.

No more than the UK Government didn't legislate against Brexit, which they technically could have done.

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Kermit.de.frog · 26-01-2018 11:37AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

the recommendation regarding the legislation was quite clear. there was no mention of conditions in the recommendations

Stick to the question asked and the article in question. They don't match. An elementary understanding of the English language would tell you that.

It's bs journalism.

They should have reported accurately.

I hate bs agenda driven journalism no matter what side it is on. It's not "journalism". It's trying to mislead the public.

Kermit.de.frog · 26-01-2018 11:37AM

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Kermit.de.frog · 26-01-2018 11:42AM

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That is total nonsense.

The question is crystal clear.

And, no, the majority don't have the time or inclination to follow these things in detail.

Where does it say "on request" in that question?

No where.

I'm really angry at what I see as false journalism.

Almost as bad as the Indos headline this morning about the "Celtic Pheonix"

tigger123 · 26-01-2018 11:44AM

It's fake news!

ohnonotgmail · 26-01-2018 11:45AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

That is total nonsense.

The question is crystal clear.

And, no, the majority don't have the time or inclination to follow these things in detail.

Where does it say "on request" in that question?

No where.

I'm really angry at what I see as false journalism.

Almost as bad as the Indos headline this morning about the "Celtic Pheonix"

clearly you dont have that time either. the recommendations were quite clear. the poll was on those recommendations.

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Kermit.de.frog · 26-01-2018 11:46AM

tigger123 wrote: »

It's fake news!

You get it finally. That is EXACTLY what it is.

Question is clear. Article bares no resemblance whatsoever.

It's fake agenda driven journalism.

I expected the IT to keep their bias on the issue in check.

The thing is this will only annoy people and turn them against what the IT columnists want.

It's counter productive in the end.

ohnonotgmail · 26-01-2018 11:48AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

You get it finally. That is EXACTLY what it is.

Question is clear. Article bares no resemblance whatsoever.

It's fake agenda driven journalism.

I expected the IT to keep their bias on the issue in check.

The thing is this will only annoy people and turn them against what the IT columnists want.

It's counter productive in the end.

jesus did you even read beyond the headline????

Poll respondents were told that it was likely the Government would seek to legislate for abortion to be available on request up to 12 weeks. They were also told that in order to legislate for this, the Constitution needed to be changed in a referendum.

They were then asked: “Will you vote to change the Constitution so that the Government can legislate for abortion up to 12 weeks, or will you vote not to change the Constitution?”

Its not really that hard to understand.

Kermit.de.frog · 26-01-2018 11:48AM

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No, i'm very clear on the misleading article - i'm very clear on the question.

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SusieBlue · 26-01-2018 12:06PM

Da Boss wrote: »

I don’t mean routinely not play safe in bed, I mean a tipsy drunken one night stand for example when they won’t really be thinking very hard about the future. Like also I think everybody knows a few “ accidents “ ( don’t mean it in derogatory way ) who, if it was legally possible, would have been aborted any denied their most fundamental right, the right to life. I myself being one such example of this

Ok, to play devils advocate, say your scenario were a possibility.
Say a woman was inclined to go out and "get tipsy" on a regular basis, and have unprotected ONS because she "wasn't thinking very hard about the future".

Would you trust a person that reckless and irresponsible with the task of bringing up another human? Would you say someone who carries on like that would make an excellent, stable, loving parent? A good role model?

Would you be of the opinion that it is in the best interests of the child to have motherhood forced on a parent who is not only irresponsible, but also probably very immature?

I suppose the answer here is "maybe"...Because neither of us can say for sure. But is "maybe" really good enough? Is "maybe" she'll be a good parent a fate you would force on an innocent child?

SusieBlue · 26-01-2018 01:39PM

Just as an aside, anyone of the opinion that pregnant women are treated well by this society need only have a look at the "Baby on Board" thread in AH.
Many posters proudly saying they refuse to stand on public transport for heavily pregnant women, its their own fault for being pregnant so no one should stand for them, and that if a woman asked them to stand, they'd say no.
Also a few gems suggesting if a pregnant woman wants a seat she should pay a higher fare, on account of being pregnant.

Such selfish, unsympathetic attitudes to women in this country.

ohnonotgmail · 26-01-2018 02:05PM

WhiteRoses wrote: »

Just as an aside, anyone of the opinion that pregnant women are treated well by this society need only have a look at the "Baby on Board" thread in AH.
Many posters proudly saying they refuse to stand on public transport for heavily pregnant women, its their own fault for being pregnant so no one should stand for them, and that if a woman asked them to stand, they'd say no.
Also a few gems suggesting if a pregnant woman wants a seat she should pay a higher fare, on account of being pregnant.

Such selfish, unsympathetic attitudes to women in this country.

I haven't read that thread and now i'm glad i didnt. what selfish feckers. A pregnant woman shouldn't even have to ask. they should be offered.

Edward M · 26-01-2018 02:23PM

WhiteRoses wrote: »

Just as an aside, anyone of the opinion that pregnant women are treated well by this society need only have a look at the "Baby on Board" thread in AH.
Many posters proudly saying they refuse to stand on public transport for heavily pregnant women, its their own fault for being pregnant so no one should stand for them, and that if a woman asked them to stand, they'd say no.
Also a few gems suggesting if a pregnant woman wants a seat she should pay a higher fare, on account of being pregnant.

Such selfish, unsympathetic attitudes to women in this country.

That's a shame.
But perhaps some of these threads are tongue in cheek and shouldn't be taken all that seriously.
I saw a young lad giving his umbrella to an old lady yesterday who was waiting on a taxi.
He had a jacket on but it was pissing down at the time, he was waiting pick up too but both were seperate.

26-01-2018 02:37PM

Holy conflating nonrelated issues of completely different levels of seriousness batman!

The 8th amendment(Mod warning in op)

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