Mum of 4 jailed for stealing €100k from the social

gordongekko · 25-01-2018 04:57PM #1

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/motheroffour-jailed-for-stealing-around-100k-in-fraudulent-social-welfare-payments-36530689.html

She gave up the job now and is paying back €25 a week. It'll take her 4000 weeks to pay us back out of the money we give her for free

hairyslug · 25-01-2018 05:00PM

Is there no cross reference between depts and pps numbers

Boom_Bap · 25-01-2018 05:04PM

hairyslug wrote: »

Is there no cross reference between depts and pps numbers

She had 2 pps numbers, at different addresses. She found a loophole by the sounds of thangs.

rgodard80a · 25-01-2018 05:04PM

Probably a mum of 4 grown-up children if she's 61 years old.

I reckon take the house off her, sell it to pay back.
She can rent from now on.

For Forks Sake · 25-01-2018 05:04PM

gordongekko wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/motheroffour-jailed-for-stealing-around-100k-in-fraudulent-social-welfare-payments-36530689.html

She gave up the job now and is paying back €25 a week. It'll take her 4000 weeks to pay us back out of the money we give her for free

She'll still have it repaid before Mick Wallace does.

kneemos · 25-01-2018 05:08PM

Twenty five quid a week for eight years is a hundred grand!
Who knew?

splinter65 · 25-01-2018 05:08PM

Boom_Bap wrote: »

She had 2 pps numbers, at different addresses. She found a loophole by the sounds of thangs.

Glad to see the judge ignoring her sob story.
Wait now for the lefties to come along with the “what about the bankers” nonsense.
€20 billion+ a year on SW. If cretins like this didn’t steal double what their entitled too maybe there’d be more for carers and disabled people.
Nothing to do with bankers.

dinneenp · 25-01-2018 05:08PM

Her lawyers told Dublin Circuit Criminal Court that she had used the money to “pay her mortgage, keep a roof over her head and look after her children

So what? She was still stealing, as someone said should be made sell the house.

El Weirdo · 25-01-2018 05:10PM

splinter65 wrote: »

Wait now for the lefties to come along with the “what about the bankers” nonsense.

Pretty sure this isn't going to happen.

splinter65 · 25-01-2018 05:10PM

rgodard80a wrote: »

Probably a mum of 4 grown-up children if she's 61 years old.

I reckon take the house off her, sell it to pay back.
She can rent from now on.

Please don’t. She’ll be on the front of the Herald crying in her hotel bedroom in The Gresham being comforted by Richard Boyd “magic money tree” Barrett.

HONKEY TONK · 25-01-2018 05:10PM

10 months lol.

She won't be going to prison for even a week let alone 10 months.

Is this in the defence rule book?

chronic coeliac, depression, anxiety, separated, extremely remorseful, married a chronic alcoholic bla bla bla.

splinter65 · 25-01-2018 05:11PM

El Weirdo wrote: »

Pretty sure this isn't going to happen.

Someone’s here’s already said she’ll have paid her debt before M Wallace pays his.

25-01-2018 05:12PM

The absolutely not an identity card - public services card - helped verify her true identity it seems.

splinter65 · 25-01-2018 05:15PM

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

The absolutely not an identity card - public services card - helped verify her true identity it seems.

But we must resist the PSC because nobody needs to know my business and I must be allowed to rob from my fellow citizens if I see fit.

Your Face · 25-01-2018 05:17PM

Outrage porn for the the impotently angry.

Red_Wake · 25-01-2018 05:17PM

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

The absolutely not an identity card - public services card - helped verify her true identity it seems.

Long may it reign.

25-01-2018 05:22PM

Red_Wake wrote: »

Long may it reign.

Yeah, King Public Services Card, has a nice ring to it.

Skylinehead · 25-01-2018 05:22PM

kneemos wrote: »

Twenty five quid a week for eight years is a hundred grand!
Who knew?

It's 10 grand...

gordongekko · 25-01-2018 05:23PM

kneemos wrote: »

Twenty five quid a week for eight years is a hundred grand!
Who knew?

Only people who are terrible at maths

suicide_circus · 25-01-2018 05:35PM

Your Face wrote: »

Outrage porn for the the impotently angry.

Does that make you the kleenex?

Odhinn · 25-01-2018 05:36PM

HONKEY TONK wrote: »

10 months lol.

She won't be going to prison for even a week let alone 10 months.

Is this in the defence rule book?

chronic coeliac, depression, anxiety, separated, extremely remorseful, married a chronic alcoholic bla bla bla.

So do we sentence people regardless of circumstance?

wexie · 25-01-2018 05:37PM

Skylinehead wrote: »

It's 10 grand...

Which means to pay back the total this 'lady' would have to be paying for the next 80 ears....

Wouldn't mind an arrangement like that for my mortgage

wexie · 25-01-2018 05:40PM

Odhinn wrote: »

So do we sentence people regardless of circumstance?

Sometimes it seems so, other times not so much. Finding it hard to tell really.
Not that I think any of her issues are a valid excuse for 100K fraud....having said that I think there are a lot of people out there who seem to have got a lot more leniency and are far more deserving of jailtime

RoboRat · 25-01-2018 05:41PM

Odhinn wrote: »

So do we sentence people regardless of circumstance?

You do the crime, you do the time. There are always alternatives.

Odhinn · 25-01-2018 05:42PM

Your Face wrote: »

Outrage porn for the the impotently angry.

As this is now the main story on the indo web page, I'd have to agree.

Cool_CM · 25-01-2018 05:44PM

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

The absolutely not an identity card - public services card - helped verify her true identity it seems.

Excellent stuff! I am in favour of this.

SEPT 23 1989 · 25-01-2018 05:46PM

her second mistake was having no previous convictions

seamus · 25-01-2018 05:50PM

Boom_Bap wrote: »

She had 2 pps numbers, at different addresses. She found a loophole by the sounds of thangs.

Married women used to not be issued PPSN/PRSI numbers.

Then things were changed so that they used their husband's number with a "W" on the end for "Wife". That sounds like a joke, but it's not.

Then they realised that married women are not chattel, and started just giving everyone their own PPSN. Married women however can continue to use their slave PPSN until the husband dies or they separate.

I would suspect that this individual continued to use her married PPSN and also applied for a personal PPSN.

Zero sympathy for her sob stories about keeping a roof over their head and "everyone else is doing it". She had to go to significant effort to carry out this fraud, it's not something that happened by accident or circumstance, and she knew damn well that it was fraud, hence the second address.

BattleCorp · 25-01-2018 05:53PM

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

The absolutely not an identity card - public services card - helped verify her true identity it seems.

I've absolutely no problem with an identity card. If it helps cut out social welfare fraud, then great.

I wouldn't be in favour of requiring someone to carry it at all times, but if you want to access government services, then I've no problem with requiring it then.

professore · 25-01-2018 05:54PM

HONKEY TONK wrote: »

10 months lol.

She won't be going to prison for even a week let alone 10 months.

Is this in the defence rule book?

chronic coeliac, depression, anxiety, separated, extremely remorseful, married a chronic alcoholic bla bla bla.

What's a chronic coeliac? Pretty sure being a coeliac is chronic by definition, living with two of them as I do.

Permabear · 25-01-2018 05:54PM

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Mum of 4 jailed for stealing €100k from the social

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