The idiots behind sulky racing

It really is shameful and an insult to the firm majority that obey the laws in our country that we have a micro culture embedded in which those belonging to it can ignore our laws as they see fit with no consequences.

I don't even know why this "culture" is tolerated today? Uneducated children, unhealthy adults, young deaths, violence, thuggery...

We should not accept that in this society?

My view is conform to a level of decency, respect and law abidance or get out to be perfectly honest. I make no bones about saying it.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It really is shameful and an insult to the firm majority that obey the laws in our country that we have a micro culture embedded in which those belonging to it can ignore our laws as they see fit with no consequences.

I don't even know why this "culture" is tolerated today? Uneducated children, unhealthy adults, young deaths, violence, thuggery...

We should not accept that in this society?

My view is conform to a level of decency, respect and law abidance or get out to be perfectly. I make no bones about saying it.

Once they are not harming others [or their property] and obeying all laws of the country. They can keep their culture as much as they like, once its doesn't clash with the previous statement.
Race their sulkies on closed roads/tracks to their hearts content, same as any other racing event.

I would have nothing against travellers or any group but the full force of the law should be applied to stop this near comical behaviour.
Wheather they are travellers or otherwise, doesn't matter.

Deleted User wrote: »

Kids and all? From birth? From being around road traffic offenders?

Fair enough. We'll just have to differ.

A1 example of a "straw man" argument.

Deleted User wrote: »

It's actually precisely the point.

He is labelling children "sh1te people". People are falling over themselves to explain away why it's grand. And the explanations are nonsense.

No, he did not label children that and any assumptions otherwise are nonsense. Its a video of a group of people committing a crime, any labelling is being attached to the people committing that crime. Children, or any one else in the video are just innocent bystanders.

A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent.

You made a near text book example of that! Its actually beautiful how perfect it fits the definition.

Only person "falling over themselves" here is you, falling over themselves to defend this behaviour with as much deflection tactics as possible. Well done.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

He was branding a group of people he doesn't know as inferior.

I was commenting on his post. And the best you can do is very lame ad hominem...

How do you manage to stand up when your chest must be covered in medals for all the battles you've fought on behalf of Travellers?

Travellers have a bad reputation and it is largely deserved due to the fact that it is based on their behaviour. This is a very simple concept, but somehow it continues to elude you.

Deleted User wrote: »

The nonsense being peddled, oh it's not a reference to travellers, he only means "them" because they all broke the law (demonstrably false, because the video shows kids), or he only means that element of them who broke the law (his post contains no such limitation).

Let's cut through the rubbish. He thinks travellers are "sh!te people". He said so. And that is to characterise them as "subhuman".

Should the bye-laws come in spectating at a sulky race will be made an offence.

The adults in that video are scum. Abusing animals and causing chaos in not what a normal person does.

Stop trying to be offended on behalf of travellers Conor, you're just coming across as a social justice keyboard warrior.

knipex wrote: »

You are really really working hard to get offended at this.

Scumbags who race sulkeys on open roads, putting others in danger while ignoring gardai are scumbags because of their actions. not race, religion, gender or ethnicity.

I would argue, quite strongly, that your attempt at equating comments based on actions to ethnicity is the probably the most damaging and racist in this thread..

I see people doing this on open roads that are not part of the "traveler community". They are also scumbags..

This is the thing. He wants to defend the travellers but he can't so instead he tries to accuse people of racism. It's just deflection.

Deleted User wrote: »

The nonsense being peddled, oh it's not a reference to travellers, he only means "them" because they all broke the law (demonstrably false, because the video shows kids), or he only means that element of them who broke the law (his post contains no such limitation).

Let's cut through the rubbish. He thinks travellers are "sh!te people". He said so. And that is to characterise them as "subhuman".

You are like a dog with a bone.

For reference:

Deleted User wrote: »

The absolute state of them at the end.. I can't imagine being such a shlte person.

Its not a lot of words but pretty much everyone else here can clearly assume he is referring to the people who partook in said sulk race, both the 'jockeys' and the motorcade drivers. If you want to read more into that then so be it. But you might also like to note he never said "... travellers ... such a shlte person" either, so you are the one inferring that too.

So who is really the racist here?

I personally see a bunch of scumbag, sub-human, shíte people committing crime without a care in the world for others around them.

After all who else would do this and then follow it up with:

The shocked motorists were left even more distressed when the procession of cars returned to the scene, recording the damage they had caused on mobile phones and jeering at the scene of the accident.

Their ethnicity or race has got nothing to do with it!

[Deleted User] wrote: »

He said "them". Meaning travellers. If you want to introduce qualifications and limitations that were not there and cannot be inferred, that is your choice.

As for the numbers thing, I appreciate lots of posters hate travellers and will bend the English language to defend their characterisation as subhuman. That doesn't surprise me in the slightest. If a poster gave the "sterilise them and stick them on some island" point I guarantee you it would be the most liked post on the thread.

Or "them", meaning the specific people in the video. You're the one expanding it to mean "all travellers". You're the one inferring something that wasn't said.

Klinkhammer wrote: »

What's laughable is that the thread is about people racing sulkys on public roads. It has been established that it is members of the settled and travelling community that engage in this practice yet the vast majority of post are insulting or blaming travellers exclusively. Tells you all you need to know really.

The settled community...

That contrivance always gets a chuckle out of me

Deleted User wrote: »

We'll agree a compromise. He hates all travellers, young, old, whether they do wrong or not, it really doesn't matter...as long as they appear on that video, he thinks they are "sh!te people". If you say that makes sense to you, we'll run with it.

You're being completely and purposefully backwards, and attributing something to him that was not even remotely said. He was specifically referencing the people in the video. That does not automatically extend his comments to all travellers in the world in the same way that calling a group of Frenchmen featured in a video where they beat up a woman "sh1te people" does not automatically extend those comments to all French people.

Answer me this; what is your opinion of the two specific people who were sulky racing in that video?

[Deleted User] wrote: »

We'll agree a compromise. He hates all travellers, young, old, whether they do wrong or not, it really doesn't matter...as long as they appear on that video, he thinks they are "sh!te people". If you say that makes sense to you, we'll run with it.

Yet again you're ignoring facts and ascribing xenophobic vitriol to anyone who's opinion differs with yours.

Realistically the post you made this morning goading a poster to refer to people as sub human should have earned to a ban, it would be nice to see the moderation staff here deal with it at this stage as your behaviour is becoming less acceptable with each post.