Any one got a solution.

22-01-2018 01:18PM #1

Maybe this should be in the accommodation forum I don't know.

Reading the response to the latest government initiative to help those who are on a lower income but not low enough to qualify for social housing.

What would be the solutions in large urban areas that would not interfere with the property market.

http://www.housing.gov.ie/sites/default/files/migrated-files/en/Publications/DevelopmentandHousing/Housing/table_with_2016_income_limits.pdf

So approximately the limits are 35k for a single applicant and 42k for a family applicants to be eligible for social housing.

If long term renting is not an option how should long term secure housing be provided.

For a single applicant who is say 40 and earning 30k a year.

A family with a combined income of 40k

Applicants who are in precarious employment.

Loan parents who's ex partner cant or wont support their children but the loan parent does not qualify for social housing.

The Backwards Man · 22-01-2018 01:20PM

This should be in the boring forum.

So yeah, you're in the right place

spindex · 22-01-2018 01:22PM

What's the question ?

22-01-2018 01:23PM

spindex wrote: »

What's the question ?

Can anyone do better that the government.

Avatar MIA · 22-01-2018 01:25PM

Solution.

Free houses for everyone.

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Fr_Dougal · 22-01-2018 01:26PM

Plenty of cheaper houses outside of the main cities. Let people get over their sense of entitlement.

biko · 22-01-2018 01:26PM

I find alcohol a great solution.

22-01-2018 01:31PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Plenty of cheaper houses outside of the main cities. Let people get over their sense of entitlement.

We could build built trains from Monasterevin, and open sleepover creches problem solved.

22-01-2018 01:33PM

biko wrote: »

I find alcohol a great solution.

But does that not lead to actual homelessness as opposed to constantly living with the prospect of homelessness.

punisher5112 · 22-01-2018 01:37PM

Why not speed up trains and provide adequate parking at stations to keep cars out of cities so public transport becomes quicker.

If one works in Dublin then property should be affordable for that person to reside close to where they work.

Think back to when companies looked after worker accommodation such as the likes of tram staff back in the day and housing was provided.

I suppose in a way some get this but only huge corporate company staff that are already on big money as is.

I see a lot of companies are coming in and renting out numerous units to house staff where they stay at no cost as rent is paid.

Fr_Dougal · 22-01-2018 01:37PM

mariaalice wrote: »

We could build built trains from Monasterevin, and open sleepover creches problem solved.

There’s already a train service from Monasterevin to Dublin. Cres are cheaper outside of Dublin.

What do you want?

Ubbquittious · 22-01-2018 01:38PM

3d printed houses made from mud. Cheap, minimal effort to build, plenty raw materials available. Horse in a few twigs for extra stability.

The developer crowd won't be happy though unless they can charge a €100,000 royalty for each one built.

punisher5112 · 22-01-2018 01:40PM

Ubbquittious wrote: »

3d printed houses made from mud. Cheap, minimal effort to build, plenty raw materials available. Horse in a few twigs for extra stability.

The developer crowd won't be happy though unless they can charge a €100,000 royalty for each one built.

Straw bales much better....

Sin City · 22-01-2018 01:40PM

Avatar MIA wrote: »

Solution.

Free houses for everyone.

How much are these free houses of which you speak

22-01-2018 01:40PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

There’s already a train service from Monasterevin to Dublin. Cres are cheaper outside of Dublin.

What do you want?

What is reasonable? no more that a commute of 1.5 hours each way and no more that 10 hours a day in a creches for the babies, that seems reasonable to me.

Fr_Dougal · 22-01-2018 01:46PM

mariaalice wrote: »

What is reasonable? no more that a commute of 1.5 hours each way and no more that 10 hours a day in a creches for the babies, that seems reasonable to me.

What about people who drive for a living? Bus drivers etc., what do you do for them?

22-01-2018 01:50PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

What about people who drive for a living? Bus drivers etc., what do you do for them?

That's easy they could live in their vehicle.

Avatar MIA · 22-01-2018 01:51PM

Sin City wrote: »

How much are these free houses of which you speak

Just one soul.

I'll PM you the contract

Sin City · 22-01-2018 01:56PM

Avatar MIA wrote: »

Just one soul.

I'll PM you the contract

Someones already beaten you too it

NIMAN · 22-01-2018 02:02PM

Vote PBP and AAA into power, sure they'll get everyone a free house.

22-01-2018 02:10PM

NIMAN wrote: »

Vote PBP and AAA into power, sure they'll get everyone a free house.

There not my cup of tea, but comments like that really irritates me they haven't promised free housing to anyone.

Have you got a solution that does not consist of saying the other persons solution is stupid.

Avatar MIA · 22-01-2018 02:19PM

Sin City wrote: »

Someones already beaten you too it

*flicks through records*

Ah, we have. See you in, well, that would be telling.

donegaLroad · 22-01-2018 02:32PM

This was posted on a thread before Christmas. Reading Town Council have started providing prefab type housing for families in need of housing.

Article here

£70k each for a two bedroom house, and they figure that they will save a lot of money over time because of the cost of paying for temporary accomm, such as a hotel.

22-01-2018 03:11PM

donegaLroad wrote: »

This was posted on a thread before Christmas. Reading Town Council have started providing prefab type housing for families in need of housing.

Article here

£70k each for a two bedroom house, and they figure that they will save a lot of money over time because of the cost of paying for temporary accomm, such as a hotel.

That is a solution for homelessness what about the segment of the population who don't qualify for social housing yet do not earn enough to get a mortgage for a home in an urban area.

donegaLroad · 22-01-2018 03:22PM

mariaalice wrote: »

That is a solution for homelessness what about the segment of the population who don't qualify for social housing yet do not earn enough to get a mortgage for a home in an urban area.

There is a family in Dublin who got planning permission for, and built a shipping container home. 350k all in. He figured he saved 300k by doing this. Will find link as soon as im back at my PC. I hate posting with my phone.

22-01-2018 03:25PM

donegaLroad wrote: »

There is a family in Dublin who got planning permission for, and built a shipping container home. 350k all in. He figured he saved 300k by doing this. Will find link as soon as im back at my PC. I hate posting with my phone.

That is fine but not exactly suitable for the average to low paid worker and if you are a single buyer on 30k in Dublin how do they house themselves securely and long term.

shivermetimber · 22-01-2018 03:36PM

Many of the Irish offerings for low cost housing at a showing a few years ago were absolute overpriced tat. Some companies from it are even non existent now whereas the UK has a history of being able to drum up low cost ideas that can actually work. They have awards every year for them and some of the winning and runner up ideas as fantastic for the money needed. http://www.nacsba.org.uk/selfbuildonashoestring/12-shoestring/39-shoestring2013top16

There are also certain companies further afield specialising in low cost builds such as a certain Russian company who can do a 65sq mtr house for 50k all in. They look perfect and are built to last in the arse ends of Russia so no questions about insulation and u-value blah. They have recently branches out to Czech, France and are into the US soon.

The problem is that the solutions are out there but there are are just not enough forward thinking minds here and too many pockets to line.

Sin City · 22-01-2018 03:46PM

Avatar MIA wrote: »

*flicks through records*

Ah, we have. See you in, well, that would be telling.

Bags packed

as for sun cream what would you recommend?

22-01-2018 03:55PM

shivermetimber wrote: »

Many of the Irish offerings for low cost housing at a showing a few years ago were absolute overpriced tat. Some companies from it are even non existent now whereas the UK has a history of being able to drum up low cost ideas that can actually work. They have awards every year for them and some of the winning and runner up ideas as fantastic for the money needed. http://www.nacsba.org.uk/selfbuildonashoestring/12-shoestring/39-shoestring2013top16

There are also certain companies further afield specialising in low cost builds such as a certain Russian company who can do a 65sq mtr house for 50k all in. They look perfect and are built to last in the arse ends of Russia so no questions about insulation and u-value blah. They have recently branches out to Czech, France and are into the US soon.

The problem is that the solutions are out there but there are are just not enough forward thinking minds here and too many pockets to line.

They are all a great ideas, someway around the cost of serviced land in large urban areas and it would all be sorted.

blanch152 · 22-01-2018 03:59PM

There is only so much land within a short commute of Dublin City Centre, yet we have more and more people wanting to live on that land.

Three solutions possible:

(1) The first solution is high-rise, high-density housing. The problem is Dublin City Council and their refusal to be realistic in planning for this. So many opportunities for development have been wasted over the last 5-6 years by the gob****es on that council.

(2) Shorten commute time through reducing commuter time. The problem here is the number of actors. Dublin City Council again, with their focus on bicycles rather than public transport and pedestrians thanks to the Dublin City Manager, Irish Rail for being so inefficient that LUAS now carry more passengers, the Government for the lack of investment in public transport infrastructure other than LUAS (but when you see the mess that CIE and Dublin City Council are, you might guess why they don't bother), and the NTA for the lack of a single coherent plan and sticking to it.

(3) Building up the other cities - Cork and Limerick in particular. This won't necessarily be at the expense of Dublin, if it is to work, then it is other small cities and rural areas who will suffer most. Coveney, to be fair, seemed to be thinking about this, but it appears to have gone quiet with the new Minister.

Ubbquittious · 22-01-2018 04:11PM

shivermetimber wrote: »

Many of the Irish offerings for low cost housing at a showing a few years ago were absolute overpriced tat. Some companies from it are even non existent now whereas the UK has a history of being able to drum up low cost ideas that can actually work. They have awards every year for them and some of the winning and runner up ideas as fantastic for the money needed. http://www.nacsba.org.uk/selfbuildonashoestring/12-shoestring/39-shoestring2013top16

There are also certain companies further afield specialising in low cost builds such as a certain Russian company who can do a 65sq mtr house for 50k all in. They look perfect and are built to last in the arse ends of Russia so no questions about insulation and u-value blah. They have recently branches out to Czech, France and are into the US soon.

The problem is that the solutions are out there but there are are just not enough forward thinking minds here and too many pockets to line.

One can pay some celtic tiger developer 350-450k to build a semi-Dee

or else one can pay €50k for a prefab and pay some Irish company €300-400k to plant said prefab on a scrap of land and connect a few pipes.

You're going to be out of pocket at least €300k no matter what way you look at it unless you find a way to bypass the posh Irish/English fcuker who charges a €300k finger-lifting fee which is nigh on impossible especially if you're the government

There's also a good chance that the celtic tiger developers will try to use all the modern planning regulations they helped draft as a weapon to enforce their privileged status

Any one got a solution.

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