Solo (young Han Solo film) spoilers from post 1493

johnny_ultimate · 18-01-2018 09:22PM

Donald Glover is an immensely talented chap. His music work and Community role certainly flagged him as one to watch, but Atlanta is the real deal. Cemented him as a really unique and interesting voice, and one who got to soar with that extra creative freedom. Ditto Phoebe Waller-Bridge, actually, with Fleabag.

Obviously this is a completely different deal to those two talented folks' own shows, but the only thing that really interests me about this is the cast. They've put together a pretty great bunch of charismatic young actors here for several of the lead roles - Ehrenreich included - I'm definitely curious to see how they work together. They're all really funny people as well, so hopefully Howard has embraced some sort of playfulness to get at least that much out of them.

Again, interest level low - I'm all in for Johnson's next SW effort, but the rest of the endless franchise I am indifferent to - but here's hoping the cast can give this some energy and charm.

david75 · 18-01-2018 10:00PM

‘It’s witty. Not funny’

That’s encouraging. That’s Kasdan hopefully.

faceman · 19-01-2018 11:30AM

david75 wrote: »

It’s interesting so many seem to be against the idea of this film even happening yet when we look over at Kenobi, the vast majority of the fan base wants that one to happen.

Kenobi has 3 films (the prequels) and multiple cartoons documenting his early life. A stand-alone Kenobi film makes less sense than a Han Solo one.

Bacchus · 19-01-2018 11:35AM

faceman wrote: »

Kenobi has 3 films (the prequels) and multiple cartoons documenting his early life. A stand-alone Kenobi film makes less sense than a Han Solo one.

The prequels were a wasted opportunity for Kenobi and I'd hazard a guess that most the cinema going audience have seen the Star Wars cartoons. The timing is right for McGregor to do a Kenobi movie set between III and IV and there's so much they could do with him beside just being a hermit on Tatooine. I'd love to see McGregor given a good Star Wars script to work with.

david75 · 19-01-2018 01:54PM

I can’t wait til they make the Luke film set after ROTJ with Sebastian Stan playing him and him searching the galaxy for Jedi relics and texts and setting up the academy. That’ll go down a storm

eviltimeban · 19-01-2018 03:28PM

I don't see why they just didn't get the original actors and de-age them, a la Kurt Russell in GOTG 2 or Michael Douglas in Ant Man. The technology is there, they should develop it!

faceman · 19-01-2018 04:15PM

eviltimeban wrote: »

I don't see why they just didn't get the original actors and de-age them, a la Kurt Russell in GOTG 2 or Michael Douglas in Ant Man. The technology is there, they should develop it!

Oh god no!

david75 · 19-01-2018 05:39PM

There isnt enough money in the world to get Harrison ford to do that.

Though rumours abound that the film opens with him as old han telling a story and it jumps back in time. Same mechanism with old bilbo at the start of the hobbit telling the story and it goes back.

david75 · 21-01-2018 09:16PM

Apparently we’re not seeing a trailer until superbowl but we may get a teaser before hand. This doesn’t make sense to me. Late February for a main trailer for a film coming out 2 months later??

Marketing suicide or marketing master stroke ?

Slydice · 21-01-2018 09:23PM

Probably gotta get some stuff in order. They've been doing reshoots n stuff as far as I remember.

Feb trailer is fine for a June release. Don't wanna build hype too soon.

Sad Professor · 21-01-2018 09:25PM

david75 wrote: »

Apparently we’re not seeing a trailer until superbowl but we may get a teaser before hand. This doesn’t make sense to me. Late February for a main trailer for a film coming out 2 months later??

Marketing suicide or marketing master stroke ?

Super Bowl is only in a couple of weeks and the film isn't out until the end of May. That's a little under 4 months.

david75 · 21-01-2018 09:38PM

They have two films of footage effectively. It’s not like they can’t put a trailer out.
And its not like the footage even has to be from the film

They’re just shooting pick ups according to most reports. Not reshoots.
But you’re right. Sounds like they want to make sure all the ducks are in order.

Was sure they’d release one into theatres in front of TLJ at the end of its run. That would give TLJ a second wind for sure at the box office.
Could still happen too

Slydice · 21-01-2018 10:39PM

I think David75 would like a trailer

pixelburp · 21-01-2018 10:49PM

Disney are no mugs and surely know what they're doing, but equally a blockbuster film only 5 months off without a single trailer or promo is just weird. Practically unheard of. Perhaps there's already a touch of Star Wars hubris going on here, presuming that the sheer power of the brand + the presence of Solo will drive enough interest and they can hold off a trailer til this late in the production cycle. It's scarcely the first blockbuster to have reshoots, so it's at the point where I don't buy that as an excuse tbh.

Tony EH · 21-01-2018 10:55PM

I remember the days when you'd get one trailer a month before the picture came out. There might be one or two "TV spots" and that was it.

Maybe Disney are going back to that model?

It would certainly be better than what we have today usually, which is several trailers that practically tell the whole bloody film and kinda make it imperative that you avoid them as not to ruin it, if you do actually haul your arse to the cinema to see it.

Falthyron · 21-01-2018 11:30PM

pixelburp wrote: »

Disney are no mugs and surely know what they're doing, but equally a blockbuster film only 5 months off without a single trailer or promo is just weird. Practically unheard of. Perhaps there's already a touch of Star Wars hubris going on here, presuming that the sheer power of the brand + the presence of Solo will drive enough interest and they can hold off a trailer til this late in the production cycle. It's scarcely the first blockbuster to have reshoots, so it's at the point where I don't buy that as an excuse tbh.

Tbf, given the problems Solo has experienced, Disney probably don't want to put out a trailer featuring scenes that won't make an appearance in the final cut. I reckon Solo is still very much in editing mode.

For example, go to 1:27 and you will see Rey running with sabre in hand - a scene that didn't appear in TLJ. Less of that please.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB4I68XVPzQ

david75 · 21-01-2018 11:31PM

I hate trailers give you everything in the film. It’s worse when they show you an entirely different film than the one you get.

But to put none out at all is just bananas. Lucasfilm aren’t pitching to us hardcore fans. They’re pitching as always to the general public. And I know that you need to have a small army of trailers with well timed release to make them aware then build up interest then make it excitement. Hardcore fans are gonna go anyways. Trailers aren’t built or directed at or for us.

But coming this close to release with no trailer for a film that’s going to battling with averngers infinity war and others at the box office , is just insane.

Tony EH · 22-01-2018 12:37AM

Falthyron wrote: »

Tbf, given the problems Solo has experienced, Disney probably don't want to put out a trailer featuring scenes that won't make an appearance in the final cut. I reckon Solo is still very much in editing mode.

For example, go to 1:27 and you will see Rey running with sabre in hand - a scene that didn't appear in TLJ. Less of that please.

david75 wrote: »

I hate trailers give you everything in the film. It’s worse when they show you an entirely different film than the one you get.

Yeh, I'd say that Disney are sick of the bad press (unnecessary too) that they've been getting, due to reshoots and stuff in trailers that don't appear in the final film.

I can certainly understand irritation with the latter, as a brilliant scene could be in a trailer - the TIE fighter/Jyn Erso face off in 'Rogue One' - that whets a viewer's appetite, yet is nowhere to be seen in the flippin movie.

david75 wrote: »

But to put none out at all is just bananas.

There's four months to go. Plenty of time. Chill.

Falthyron · 22-01-2018 12:42AM

Tony EH wrote: »

There's four months to go. Plenty of time. Chill.

I didn't say that!

Tbf, I am noticing that the cinemas in Ireland have started to severely reduce their showings of TLJ. IIRC, TFA was still showing in late February, possibly even early March. Perhaps the demand for TLJ isn't there, or else maybe Disney are happy to start phasing TLJ out so they can bring Solo in. I reckon we will definitely have a Solo trailer for the Superbowl. Its their best opportunity to get as much publicity for a film that isn't expected to do as well as its predecessors.

Tony EH · 22-01-2018 12:55AM

Multiquote mayhem!!!! Sorry F, it's been remedied.

TLJ's flaws have put off a lot of people. Disney can't ride the wave of nostalgia they had with TFA. Mainly, becasue they've pissed all over that nostalgia and it hasn't gone down well.

It's an average film, nicely shot, but sloppily made, poorly plotted and open to a lot of obvious questions that hit the viewer while they're watching it. It's also hampered by a seriously dragging mid section on Canto Bight that seems universally hated.

That kind of WOM gets around.

In saying that. I don't think TLJ has done that bad at the cinema, in a length of service kind of way. It just doesn't have that "memberberry" good will that TFA had.

david75 · 22-01-2018 01:07AM

TLJ has 7 showings in cineworld tomorrow. Maybe smaller cinemas are pulling it but it wouldn’t have 7 showings in the biggest cinema in town at all if it were doing poorly.

I’m shocked it’s still 7 at this point. And on a Monday. It’s clearly still making money. And the backlash has visibly died down too.

pixelburp · 22-01-2018 09:21AM

Tony EH wrote: »

I remember the days when you'd get one trailer a month before the picture came out. There might be one or two "TV spots" and that was it.

Maybe Disney are going back to that model?

It would certainly be better than what we have today usually, which is several trailers that practically tell the whole bloody film and kinda make it imperative that you avoid them as not to ruin it, if you do actually haul your arse to the cinema to see it.

To be fair, you're talking about a time when the scope for trailers were the half-dozen channels on TV, channels that weren't even 24/7 in some cases. The landscape has changed and IMO while yeah there's a definite uptick in the volume of promos per movie, it's only parallel to the increase in media we can consume these promotions.

I also don't buy this idea of the modern trailer revealing everything: trailers have been little potted summaries for decades - and if anything, they've become a little better at at least keeping something to themselves. Obviously the rule of generalisations apply here, but if you watch some classic trailers, aside from often being longer than modern equivalents, they often show the whole plot beats of films - without even trying to be canny editors and snip for brevity. Here's The Graduate:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsdvhJTqLak

Or Goldfinger, featuring some extended moments from key / noteworthy scenes (and is also fabulously cheesy in its own right!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA65V-oLKa8

Sad Professor · 22-01-2018 09:54AM

In some cases I think the failure to reveal enough of the plot in trailers can have negative consequences. BR2049's atmospheric trailers apparently didn't give non-BR fans anything to latch onto. The movie is actually quite plot-heavy compared to the original. They should have played this up in the trailers.

I'd also argue that TLJ would have gone down a lot better if fans had time to come to terms with the fact that the film wasn't going to satisfy their theories and that certain characters were going to die. TFA's whole plot was online what, a year before the film came out? The details of Han's death, Kylo being a Solo, etc were well known. Where as we knew practically nothing about large parts of TLJ until 48 hours before release which is when the backlash started.

Online fan culture is very focused on plot and lore and I think it's probably better if these things are heavily hinted at in marketing or leaked in advance.

david75 · 22-01-2018 11:53AM

The interviews with all the cast of TLJ in the run up to release was really priming us to be prepared as it was unexpected and very different etc. Hamill Ridley and Boyega particularly seemed to have the same experience of it as fans did. The Early interviews you could see them being how do I promote this when it’s after knocking me sideways to later interviews where they’re onboard with it

Boyega particularly spoke about this in interviews after he’d seen it a couple of times. Total change in his take on it.

If you look back now at the TFA trailers you can see it gives you the main beats of the film without giving you any plot details really at all. Hindsight is 20/20 as always.
But for TLJ you couldn’t guess at all what was going to happen. Well I couldn’t anyways. Loads of visual stuff but no hint at all towards all the stories involved.
It’s not unusual for characters in Star Wars to have separate storylines within the film. But TLJ has so many more than usual. Every single character has an arc.
It’s really dense. Probably a bit too dense. No way to convey that in a trailer.

pixelburp · 22-01-2018 12:23PM

david75 wrote: »

[...]
It’s really dense. Probably a bit too dense. No way to convey that in a trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHOLFZnFa0w

david75 · 22-01-2018 12:54PM

HAha. Which one of the prequels is he talking about I wonder?
I’d say ROTS is probably the most dense storywise.
Dense isn’t a bad thing imo. But the OT wasn’t dense at any point I don’t think. It’s bright and breezy almost and moves along at a great pace. Even when It’s being heavy/darker.
I guess storytelling in cinema has changed too. People expect more and the messages are a little too upfront in TLJ. You’d never guess at this remove that the OT was packed with allegory about Vietnam but TLJ fairly hits you over the head with it’s poking at the 1% and those profiting off war.

I wonder will that be obvious at all in a decade or so and we look back.

Tony EH · 22-01-2018 01:01PM

What's "dense" about any Star Wars film?

Falthyron · 22-01-2018 01:06PM

Tony EH wrote: »

What's "dense" about any Star Wars film?

:pac:

Nothing, really. Action supersedes storytelling in Star Wars (the hint is in the latter word of the franchise's title), so things have to move swiftly, which doesn't allow for complex plot lines, motives, character development to simmer.

Give me a 'My Dinner with Andre' style Star Wars film featuring Obi-Wan and someone else. Now, THAT, would be interesting.

J Mysterio · 22-01-2018 01:13PM

Tony EH wrote: »

Can't say I know too much about the lad. "Good" actor, i don't know. I've only seen him in a couple of things and he didn't stand out for me.

But, that poster that's floating around. On it, he looks like some lame ass R+B star, or one of those mickey mouse "rappers". The type with no balls that Ice Cube or Chuck D would hate.

Ice Cube lost his balls long ago.

david75 · 22-01-2018 01:27PM

Tony EH wrote: »

What's "dense" about any Star Wars film?

The Last Jedi is especially dense. More than any other Star Wars film. Weird contrast to TFA which flies along.

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Solo (young Han Solo film) spoilers from post 1493