Homelessness

Wheeliebin30 · 20-01-2018 10:25AM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I usually don't agree whith most of what Wheeliebin says but you should correct this. All he said was that there is a labour shortage (there is) & that foreign nationals are coming & filling these posts. He's not saying that we shouldn't have them. He's actually pointing out that we need them & they are welcome here.

They come here & pay tax. Not all Irish people are willing to pay tax

Exactly.

Thanks!

koumi · 20-01-2018 10:27AM

corner of hells wrote: »

Why have you not got a medical card ?

I do, I never got any kind of help under the public health care system and as a last resort sought out proper medical care privately, it's surprising how much better healthcare it is when you pay for it.

I get that might not sit well with some people but the long and short of it is had I remained under public healthcare I wouldn't be any closer to getting well enough to no longer be a drain on society.

sideswipe · 20-01-2018 10:50AM

The term ‘homeless’ has become damaging.
It’s a catch all term to describe people without a house- surely house less would be a more fitting term. People are genuinely starting to glaze over when the term is rolled out. There are plenty of genuinely homeless people that are possibly being obscured by the ‘Houseless’ problem.

Ps of course the shortage of houses needs to be addressed too, but the two issues need to be separated.

Your Face · 20-01-2018 11:06AM

It's hard for any agency to ascertain who are the genuine cases.

If they help everyone - they're called mugs.
If they help nobody - they're called scumbags.

They do what they can and get called both.

20-01-2018 12:50PM

david75 wrote: »

Let’s not forget the probably vast amount of hidden homeless, those in their 20s and upwards being forced to love with parents and family cos they can’t find a place even if they could afford one.

By hidden homeless you mean not homeless I take it.

It's gone beyond a joke when people are claiming that someone living at home is "homeless".

hawkelady · 20-01-2018 12:53PM

Myah Silly Blackhead wrote: »

david75 wrote: »

Let’s not forget the probably vast amount of hidden homeless, those in their 20s and upwards being forced to love with parents and family cos they can’t find a place even if they could afford one.

By hidden homeless you mean not homeless I take it.

It's gone beyond a joke when people are claiming that someone living at home is "homeless".

Same as it's beyond a joke when someone staying in the Gresham is homeless !! With their fry every morning and gym. Don't forget their high speed internet so they can like Facebook posts from Richard Boyd etc .. joke indeed

Conservative · 20-01-2018 01:17PM

Where do I sign up to live in a 4* hotel in Dublin City Centre free of charge? An indefinite stay will be just fine.

Thanks!

JMNolan · 20-01-2018 01:39PM

Conservative wrote: »

Where do I sign up to live in a 4* hotel in Dublin City Centre free of charge? An indefinite stay will be just fine.

Thanks!

If your caravan gets damaged in a storm you can get a stay in a 4* hotel in Cork for free if that's any good?

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/storm-damage-sees-traveller-families-housed-in-top-4-star-hotel-465920.html

david75 · 20-01-2018 03:09PM

hawkelady wrote: »

Same as it's beyond a joke when someone staying in the Gresham is homeless !! With their fry every morning and gym. Don't forget their high speed internet so they can like Facebook posts from Richard Boyd etc .. joke indeed

Can’t tell if serious.
By definition living in someone else’s home or being accommodated in a hotel as emergency accommodation, is homelessness.
You don’t have a home of your own. You really think it’s champagne and luxury spa living in one room in a hotel? Can you imagine it if you had kids?
Have you ever been priced out of simply unable to find a room to rent in Dublin or anywhere?
These are just some of the issues at Play if you don’t think they exist and if you think people choose to live that way You’re living in an alternative reality

david75 · 20-01-2018 03:17PM

Also most people you see rough sleeping are either unable to get a bed in a hostel or are unwilling to sleep in a dorm with room often populated by addicts who are up all night taking their drugs of choice and you wake up with your belongings rifled through and phone / wallet often stolen. Sleeping rough is preferable to that for some people. I’ve spoken to two different lads living in tents in the park and the issues above and others like others in the room fighting all night and police often being called are reasons too.
Nobody chooses to be homeless and it’s a minefield of a million different factors and problems, each persons story is different to the next.
It’s naive bordering on stupid to think anyone chooses this for themselves.
I hope it never happens to you.

corner of hells · 20-01-2018 03:24PM

david75 wrote: »

Also most people you see rough sleeping are either unable to get a bed in a hostel or are unwilling to sleep in a dorm with room often populated by addicts who are up all night taking their drugs of choice and you wake up with your belongings rifled through and phone / wallet often stolen. Sleeping rough is preferable to that for some people. I’ve spoken to two different lads living in tents in the park and the issues above and others like others in the room fighting all night and police often being called are reasons too.
Nobody chooses to be homeless and it’s a minefield of a million different factors and problems, each persons story is different to the next.
It’s naive bordering on stupid to think anyone chooses this for themselves.
I hope it never happens to you.

David , I work in homeless hostels and they very from one night only, rolling bed , six month placement etc. To suggest that residents are being robbed and that there's fighting all night is just wrong.
All residents are provided with lockers and calling the police is a last resort.

ThunbergsAreGo · 20-01-2018 03:26PM

Myah Silly Blackhead wrote: »

david75 wrote: »

Let’s not forget the probably vast amount of hidden homeless, those in their 20s and upwards being forced to love with parents and family cos they can’t find a place even if they could afford one.

By hidden homeless you mean not homeless I take it.

It's gone beyond a joke when people are claiming that someone living at home is "homeless".

It's joke the question is never asked of these house less why they aren't living at home with parents

amcalester · 20-01-2018 03:28PM

naughtb4 wrote: »

It's joke the question is never asked of these house less why they aren't living at home with parents

Can’t be homeless if you’re living at home

karenalot · 20-01-2018 03:30PM

david75 wrote: »

if you think people choose to live that way You’re living in an alternative reality

Having worked directly in these hotels I can tell you many of the homeless occupants do choose to live that way. Some even refused to leave when accommodation was found for them because they knew they would have to look after their own bills. In hotels they pay zero for their bed and meals.

david75 · 20-01-2018 03:54PM

corner of hells wrote: »

David , I work in homeless hostels and they very from one night only, rolling bed , six month placement etc. To suggest that residents are being robbed and that there's fighting all night is just wrong.
All residents are provided with lockers and calling the police is a last resort.

That’s what two different lads told me sleeping in tents in the Phoenix Park. Neither addicts or with any other deep associated problems.

Oranage2 · 20-01-2018 03:58PM

david75 wrote: »

That’s what two different lads told me sleeping in tents in the Phoenix Park. Neither addicts or with any other deep associated problems.

Must be true so...

Field east · 20-01-2018 04:01PM

karenalot wrote: »

Having worked directly in these hotels I can tell you many of the homeless occupants do choose to live that way. Some even refused to leave when accommodation was found for them because they knew they would have to look after their own bills. In hotels they pay zero for their bed and meals.

I wonder if the RTE sponsored 'Primetime Investigates' would have the nerve to go undercover and investigate a sample of either/ or the homeless and those sleeping rough or and the truth with regards to the stories about the hostels and the sledged problems therein.
For example, is the typical homeless family prepared to drag the kids through the sledged ordeal and not stay with a father , mother - on either side- brother, sister, aunt , uncle , grandfather, grandmother a good friend or whatever. You get the impression that they have no friends or relations
We very seldom are told anything about the father/partner/ husband. And the interviewer never enquiries.
Re RTÉ doing an investigation- I think not as it would not be politicallly correct in their eyes, what would it do for news if it made a very substantial hole in what is percieved.
So we continue on with the King With No Clothes, the spin put on the whole homeless situation, the Fake News put out there. Thrump was not the first to identify fake news.
I am not putting all of the homeless/ those sleeping rough into the one box . But all of those involved in it have hidden agendas and we need an objective look at it. One side will make it look as bad as is possible and the other side will try and counteract it. The late John Cory , who died on the steps of a house near the Dail, comes to mind

corner of hells · 20-01-2018 04:03PM

david75 wrote: »

corner of hells wrote: »

David , I work in homeless hostels and they very from one night only, rolling bed , six month placement etc. To suggest that residents are being robbed and that there's fighting all night is just wrong.
All residents are provided with lockers and calling the police is a last resort.

That’s what two different lads told me sleeping in tents in the Phoenix Park. Neither addicts or with any other deep associated problems.

The opinion of two people could hardly be any sort of reasonable example.
Lots in the hostels I work in have no addictions or significant issues.If anything there's a whole cross section of society living in hostels varying from addicts right up to people in employment.
When did you speak to those two in the park ? Because as far as I know at the moment there's no one in the park.

david75 · 20-01-2018 04:20PM

corner of hells wrote: »

The opinion of two people could hardly be any sort of reasonable example.
Lots in the hostels I work in have no addictions or significant issues.If anything there's a whole cross section of society living in hostels varying from addicts right up to people in employment.
When did you speak to those two in the park ? Because as far as I know at the moment there's no one in the park.

I wasn’t suggesting everyone of them is the same, each situation varies wildly from person to person and you know that in that job. As you say there’s people even working and are homeless in the hostel system (something I hope you point out later to some precious posters who seem to think every homeless person is the same and hoses to live this way). About the two in the park this was a few weeks back. One guy or at least his tent is gone the other still there. I took a pic of both tents I’ll try find em for ye. It was the same day as the homeless protest outside the dail that I do remember

david75 · 20-01-2018 04:23PM

david75 wrote: »

I wasn’t suggesting everyone of them is the same, each situation varies wildly from person to person and you know that in that job. As you say there’s people even working and are homeless in the hostel system (something I hope you point out later to some precious posters who seem to think every homeless person is the same and hoses to live this way). About the two in the park this was a few weeks back. One guy or at least his tent is gone the other still there. I took a pic of both tents I’ll try find em for ye. It was the same day as the homeless protest outside the dail that I do remember

There ye go. 12/12

david75 · 20-01-2018 04:32PM

Theyre not alone it seems. This was in October
Homeless couple living in Phoenix Park
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/homeless-couple-living-in-phoenix-park-1.3215612?mode=amp

20-01-2018 04:32PM

The bugrudgery and ridiculous sense of victimhood in all these threads is a real indicator of the complainant's own social status. I may be alone but I'd rather not be without the stability of a home and the damage that lack of stability does to the development of children. Further, I don't think I'd like to live in most of the places in Dublin where "free homes" would be located when they'll be built some 15-20 years (if they're lucky) after somebody first goes on a housing list.

For similar reasons I'd also rather not be a member of the Travelling community no matter how many handouts they get. I wonder about the social, educational, cultural and economic status of anybody who is envious of these two groups, the incessant targets of opprobrium on this forum.

These people and their welfare dependency are small fry in the wider scheme of things. Aside from the obvious mental heath issues of their socio-economic status, it's much more likely to repeat itself in the following generation. I pity their children as it's highly unlikely that they'll ever have so many brilliant cultural or educational experiences that many of us take for granted - music & drama classes, attending the gaeltacht, going to university, doing the Erasmus year abroad, going on the J1 to America and so much else. Not in a million years would I wish for their lives.

Meanwhile, how many people envious of them are themselves involved in tax evasion on at least part of their earnings? The people, and there are loads of them especially in trades and business, who don't pay tax on all their income are defrauding the state just as dole fraudsters are. No moral superiority there at all.

Anyway, I'm off to get a state-sanctioned handout in the form of tax relief on my income -
in this case minimising the tax I pay through putting more money into my private pension. All legal and something I'd have to do anyway - but thank you to the state for this handout in the form of a reduction in the tax I've to pay when people who earn less would not have the spare money to take advantage of it and therefore will pay a greater percentage of their income in tax than I'll have to. Imagine that: a system where people at many socio-economic levels get something for nothing...

corner of hells · 20-01-2018 04:55PM

david75 wrote: »

Theyre not alone it seems. This was in October
Homeless couple living in Phoenix Park
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/homeless-couple-living-in-phoenix-park-1.3215612?mode=amp

Oct. 2016

Roger_007 · 20-01-2018 04:56PM

If, (I know it's a big if), we manage to solve the housing problem what are we going to do with all the full-time employees in the state agencies and charities who depend on there being homeless people for their jobs.
At the last count there were about 1000 full-time employees working for the top three homeless charities in Dublin,( McVerry Trust, Simon and Focus).
There are a myriad of other smaller charities plus all the people employed in the state agencies who are dealing with this problem.
If you count in all the volunteer workers, there must be more people working with the homeless than there are people homeless.
Will we have to start a new charity:- Help the Unemployed Charity Workers?

david75 · 20-01-2018 05:01PM

corner of hells wrote: »

Oct. 2016

Alologies. This is the one. September 2017
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/when-home-is-a-tent-you-re-up-all-night-freezing-cold-pissed-on-1.3213161?mode=amp

corner of hells · 20-01-2018 05:05PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

If, (I know it's a big if), we manage to solve the housing problem what are we going to do with all the full-time employees in the state agencies and charities who depend on there being homeless people for their jobs.
At the last count there were about 1000 full-time employees working for the top three homeless charities in Dublin,( McVerry Trust, Simon and Focus).
There are a myriad of other smaller charities plus all the people employed in the state agencies who are dealing with this problem.
If you count in all the volunteer workers, there must be more people working with the homeless than there are people homeless.
Will we have to start a new charity:- Help the Unemployed Charity Workers?

Most of us are social care workers or project workers and able to work in social care roles , lots more have previous careers teachers , tradesmen , nurses etc , more move on into further education.Lots more are ancillary staff HR, caterers , maintenance.
So ya know.... we could look for another job.

corner of hells · 20-01-2018 05:12PM

david75 wrote: »

corner of hells wrote: »

Oct. 2016

Alologies. This is the one. September 2017
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/when-home-is-a-tent-you-re-up-all-night-freezing-cold-pissed-on-1.3213161?mode=amp

It's the same girl and article from 2016.I know her and her family.
She ended up in the park because of the demands she made for her and her partner.

Max Prophet · 20-01-2018 05:15PM

dayslikethis wrote: »

yes you are a brave man picking on the homeless

Virtue signal much?

Turpentine · 20-01-2018 05:26PM

david75 wrote: »

Also most people you see rough sleeping are either unable to get a bed in a hostel or are unwilling to sleep in a dorm with room often populated by addicts who are up all night taking their drugs of choice and you wake up with your belongings rifled through and phone / wallet often stolen. Sleeping rough is preferable to that for some people. I’ve spoken to two different lads living in tents in the park and the issues above and others like others in the room fighting all night and police often being called are reasons too.
Nobody chooses to be homeless and it’s a minefield of a million different factors and problems, each persons story is different to the next.
It’s naive bordering on stupid to think anyone chooses this for themselves.
I hope it never happens to you.

That's a very disparaging way to speak about the homeless.

corner of hells · 20-01-2018 05:36PM

Turpentine wrote: »

david75 wrote: »

Also most people you see rough sleeping are either unable to get a bed in a hostel or are unwilling to sleep in a dorm with room often populated by addicts who are up all night taking their drugs of choice and you wake up with your belongings rifled through and phone / wallet often stolen. Sleeping rough is preferable to that for some people. I’ve spoken to two different lads living in tents in the park and the issues above and others like others in the room fighting all night and police often being called are reasons too.
Nobody chooses to be homeless and it’s a minefield of a million different factors and problems, each persons story is different to the next.
It’s naive bordering on stupid to think anyone chooses this for themselves.
I hope it never happens to you.

That's a very disparaging way to speak about the homeless.

Of course it is , STA hostels have single , double and couples rooms.

Homelessness

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