Homelessness

Feisar

Firstly, I'm not sure if this makes me an asshole or not.

Right so this got a lot of airplay on the radio before Christmas, kids are homeless families are homeless etc.

Homeless to me used to mean on the street, begging etc. However, most of the people interviewed (I drive a lot for work so I'm always listening to the radio flicking between radio stations) were in temporary accommodation provided by the state.
To my point, it must be sh-wan-t to be in a hotel/B&B with two or three kids, no arguing there. But you've a roof over your head, the state, us, has provided you with somewhere to exist. Maybe you had to leave an abusive partner or whatever, are we suddenly obliged to provide you with a nice house?

"I'm homeless" - "yes you are, here's a hotel for you to live in." "Boo the state, I need a house to live in, where is it, I'm homeless" The government is doing nothing

Just to clarify I travel a lot with work, sometimes in hotels for weeks, I hate it, I can't imagine having to share a room with kids etc and every meal is something with chips. I know it's no holiday camp or anything. However it's not the street!

dayslikethis

Feisar wrote: »

Firstly, I'm not sure if this makes me an asshole or not.

Right so this got a lot of airplay on the radio before Christmas, kids are homeless families are homeless etc.

Homeless to me used to mean on the street, begging etc. However, most of the people interviewed (I drive a lot for work so I'm always listening to the radio flicking between radio stations) were in temporary accommodation provided by the state.
To my point, it must be sh-wan-t to be in a hotel/B&B with two or three kids, no arguing there. But you've a roof over your head, the state, us, has provided you with somewhere to exist. Maybe you had to leave an abusive partner or whatever, are we suddenly obliged to provide you with a nice house?

"I'm homeless" - "yes you are, here's a hotel for you to live in." "Boo the state, I need a house to live in, where is it, I'm homeless" The government is doing nothing

Just to clarify I travel a lot with work, sometimes in hotels for weeks, I hate it, I can't imagine having to share a room with kids etc and every meal is something with chips. I know it's no holiday camp or anything. However it's not the street!

yes you are a brave man picking on the homeless

Feisar

I said I'd start a topic I'd have in convo with my mates a few days ago. So here it is for better or worse

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

I think more should be done to help homelessness as in address the reason they're homeless. Why are people having children when they have nowhere to live? There's absolutely no sense of personal responsibility just a sheer sense of entitlement. By all means have a family but it's only fair you can provide the basic nessessities such as shelter food and clothing.

1874

Im going to get cake and eat it, I mean stuff my face with popcorn and sit back and wait, except I cannot help but comment,
While I can understand where you are coming from, and to some extent agree, I blame the Govt (successive Govts) and the State for allowing things to reach this situation, everything is short term savings and benefits, until we reach a situation such as housing or health or god knows how many other things where we are paying out millions, probably billions and are still teetering on the edge with no progress, plan or end goal in sight.

Fr_Dougal

By today’s definition of homeless, you could include everyone who is renting as homeless. At least those who are living in hotels etc know that alternative accommodation will be provided for them if they are forced to leave their current temp accommodation. Private renters don’t have that luxury.

Oranage2

I wrote this in another thread.

There are approx. 8857 recorded homeless people in Ireland, out of these 8857, 150 approximately are sleeping rough though reports have it between
(120-180). So that means that the government is housing 8700 homeless people, and out of the 150 odd people,well there are enough beds for them but they refuse to use them for a variety of reasons, mental health, drugs, safety etc.

These unfortunate people are being helped, of course facilities and education should be forever improving, but what else are you expecting the government to do?

The government already houses them temporarily (while also offering them a more permanent home), gives them money for food and clothes for themselves and their family, educates their children and also provides free medical care.

Go onto Facebook/social media and you'll see a real sense of entitlement, any problem these people face their first thought is to get the landlord or TD to fix it, while the average Joe soap will think about saving some money and getting it fixed.

These are only vulnerable because they're simple minded leeches.

Dave_The_Sheep

Oranage2 wrote: »

...

That's a serious swing in tone from the first four paragraphs through paragraphs five and six. That's some conclusion to come to from your initial statements.

koumi

Don't know why I'm saying this, told myself I wouldn't engage but figure it wouldn't hurt to give an alternative perspective even if it is after hours. I'm unemployed, been unemployed for a while and not for the want of trying. I do have local authority housing which I'm guessing if I didn't have, would probably just be another statistic. I didn't just land a house, I was in private rented accommodation for five years and on a waiting list for that time. I don't think it's anybody's intention to want to be in that position and always hoped I would be able to sustain myself.

I don't like being unemployed or not being able to make a contribution to society. Thats just personally how I feel. My circumstances make doing that kind of difficult and even trying to change my circumstances is a task in itself, because of my circumstances, so you see it's a bit of a catch 22 situation.

So I did a couple of things. I sat down one day and decided I wanted to make a contribution no matter how small and picked a couple of charities online that I wanted to support and set up a direct debit with them. (I'm still on the masively large amount of 193e pw which I get for sitting around doing nothing) I figured I could afford it, I started out with three who I donated 5e a month to. Yep, sometimes my bank account was in the red but I looked at it as my job to make sure they were paid so was conscious to not buy that extra coffee that I probably didn't need or filled up wash up liquid bottle to make it last a little bit longer. 15e a month when you think about it, not much less than what I pay for my phone top up. When I ordered my weekly shopping online I would check the little box to make a contribution to whichever charity had been selected that year/month. Every week, 1.79, a tiny amount but with each cent that I gave I felt less useless.

I pay for my own healthcare, pay doctor privately, pay for medicines as you would do and pay for everything else that needs seen to with the money that I have either saved or borrowed, because wait for it, that is actually how bad this country is right now. This thread is just a reflection of that and I've stopped even feeling sad about it. If you feel bad about giving to the least of them then just don't do it.

david75

Let’s not forget the probably vast amount of hidden homeless, those in their 20s and upwards being forced to love with parents and family cos they can’t find a place even if they could afford one.

koumi

david75 wrote: »

being forced to love with parents

dOWN WITH THAT SORT OF THING

david75

koumi wrote: »

dOWN WITH THAT SORT OF THING

Hey I’ve been awake all night. Sorry

koumi

david75 wrote: »

Hey I’ve been awake all night. Sorry

calls for a new charity for children forced to love with parents :P

HONKEY TONK

Emergency housing should be introduced and this council housing ( forever homes ) should be scrapped

david75

koumi wrote: »

calls for a new charity for children forced to love with parents :P

The irony being anyone living with their parents in their 20s/30s for any length of time usually really hates them before long

Malayalam

koumi wrote: »

Don't know why I'm saying this, told myself I wouldn't engage but figure it wouldn't hurt to give an alternative perspective even if it is after hours. I'm unemployed, been unemployed for a while and not for the want of trying. I do have local authority housing which I'm guessing if I didn't have, would probably just be another statistic. I didn't just land a house, I was in private rented accommodation for five years and on a waiting list for that time. I don't think it's anybody's intention to want to be in that position and always hoped I would be able to sustain myself.

I don't like being unemployed or not being able to make a contribution to society. Thats just personally how I feel. My circumstances make doing that kind of difficult and even trying to change my circumstances is a task in itself, because of my circumstances, so you see it's a bit of a catch 22 situation.

So I did a couple of things. I sat down one day and decided I wanted to make a contribution no matter how small and picked a couple of charities online that I wanted to support and set up a direct debit with them. (I'm still on the masively large amount of 193e pw which I get for sitting around doing nothing) I figured I could afford it, I started out with three who I donated 5e a month to. Yep, sometimes my bank account was in the red but I looked at it as my job to make sure they were paid so was conscious to not buy that extra coffee that I probably didn't need or filled up wash up liquid bottle to make it last a little bit longer. 15e a month when you think about it, not much less than what I pay for my phone top up. When I ordered my weekly shopping online I would check the little box to make a contribution to whichever charity had been selected that year/month. Every week, 1.79, a tiny amount but with each cent that I gave I felt less useless.

I pay for my own healthcare, pay doctor privately, pay for medicines as you would do and pay for everything else that needs seen to with the money that I have either saved or borrowed, because wait for it, that is actually how bad this country is right now. This thread is just a reflection of that and I've stopped even feeling sad about it. If you feel bad about giving to the least of them then just don't do it.

Don't feel bad about being unemployed. The civilisation is no longer set up for full employment, it has to have a lower tier that can be scape-goated.

There are so many reasons that people can end up unemployed - ill-health, anxiety, the paucity of meaningful work, location, family troubles etc., and to be scape-goated by other people is so mean. Individuals suffer so much because of the stigma imposed upon them, but they should come out from under that shadow. If people who scape-goat the unemployed (or homeless) would only open their eyes and see truthfully who is actually ripping them off, and consuming the resources etc., then things would be very different. But then we might have societal revolt, and in order to avoid that punch bags are needed.

One only has to look at the incredible transfer of wealth up the pyramid that has been happening over the past decades to know that the poor are not the ones who are the root cause of societies troubles.

Much of the good that people do is not valued, as in given a monetary value (See Rene Guenon's Reign of Quantity - we live in times where quality is regarded far less than quantity)- but if you look at your life, the people you have given an ear to in troubled times, dependents you have cared for, the meals you have cooked for others with care, the smile to a stranger that might have lightened their heart, an infinite number of small but meaningful gestures during your time on this planet that have reached out to fellow beings - you will very likely see that you are very much a net benefactor to the good in the world, a different kind of balance sheet which makes the govt. handout look irrelevant by comparison.

Everyone should be able to aspire towards meaningful work, but in the absence of a place in the official ''labour force'' it is worth keeping the following in mind....
“We should do away with the absolutely specious notion that everybody has to earn a living. It is a fact today that one in ten thousand of us can make a technological breakthrough capable of supporting all the rest. The youth of today are absolutely right in recognizing this nonsense of earning a living. We keep inventing jobs because of this false idea that everybody has to be employed at some kind of drudgery because, according to Malthusian Darwinian theory he must justify his right to exist. So we have inspectors of inspectors and people making instruments for inspectors to inspect inspectors. The true business of people should be to go back to school and think about whatever it was they were thinking about before somebody came along and told them they had to earn a living.”

― R. Buckminster Fuller

Wheeliebin30

koumi wrote: »

Don't know why I'm saying this, told myself I wouldn't engage but figure it wouldn't hurt to give an alternative perspective even if it is after hours. I'm unemployed, been unemployed for a while and not for the want of trying. I do have local authority housing which I'm guessing if I didn't have, would probably just be another statistic. I didn't just land a house, I was in private rented accommodation for five years and on a waiting list for that time. I don't think it's anybody's intention to want to be in that position and always hoped I would be able to sustain myself.

I don't like being unemployed or not being able to make a contribution to society. Thats just personally how I feel. My circumstances make doing that kind of difficult and even trying to change my circumstances is a task in itself, because of my circumstances, so you see it's a bit of a catch 22 situation.

So I did a couple of things. I sat down one day and decided I wanted to make a contribution no matter how small and picked a couple of charities online that I wanted to support and set up a direct debit with them. (I'm still on the masively large amount of 193e pw which I get for sitting around doing nothing) I figured I could afford it, I started out with three who I donated 5e a month to. Yep, sometimes my bank account was in the red but I looked at it as my job to make sure they were paid so was conscious to not buy that extra coffee that I probably didn't need or filled up wash up liquid bottle to make it last a little bit longer. 15e a month when you think about it, not much less than what I pay for my phone top up. When I ordered my weekly shopping online I would check the little box to make a contribution to whichever charity had been selected that year/month. Every week, 1.79, a tiny amount but with each cent that I gave I felt less useless.

I pay for my own healthcare, pay doctor privately, pay for medicines as you would do and pay for everything else that needs seen to with the money that I have either saved or borrowed, because wait for it, that is actually how bad this country is right now. This thread is just a reflection of that and I've stopped even feeling sad about it. If you feel bad about giving to the least of them then just don't do it.

How can you still be unemployed?

Everywhere I go and look there is companies crying out for labour for all sorts of jobs.

We have a labour shortage, thats why we have so many foreign people coming here.

Maybe your cv isnt up to scratch?

koumi

Emergency housing should be introduced and this council housing ( forever homes ) should be scrapped

Funny you should say that, I was a bit of a fan of the tiny homes movement (mostly in the US) and could never figure out why it wasn't introduced here. I remember at the beginning of the recession when people were losing homes there was a government proposal inviting tenders from architects and builders to come up with a short term housing solution (I'm sure there are links somewhere) and eventually after what seemed like an age, they held a big reveal to a lot of fanfare to the winner, which was essentially prefab modular boxes the same kind which had been around since the seventies and to top it off, came in at the remarkably low costing of about 120,000 a dwelling. Never heard a thing about it since. Crazy.

We really could take a thing or two from the tiny house movement. I know some of the prices have started rocketing as the trend began to grow but they averaged in and around 50-60k and were for all intents and purposes, created for short term situations where people could save up to get a mortgage.

koumi

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

How can you still be unemployed?

Everywhere I go and look there is companies crying out for labour for all sorts of jobs.

We have a labour shortage, thats why we have so many foreign people coming here.

Maybe your cv isnt up to scratch?

I'm a secret genius

(disability)

Wheeliebin30

koumi wrote: »

I'm a secret genius

(disability)

You said you have been trying.

Are companies saying no because of your disability?

koumi

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

You said you have been trying.

Are companies saying no because of your disability?

I hope to be able to work again soon (I'll keep you updated and buy you a coffee with my first paycheck, coffee is good for anal retention it makes you poo)

HandsomeBob

Feisar wrote: »

"I'm homeless" - "yes you are, here's a hotel for you to live in." "Boo the state, I need a house to
Just to clarify I travel a lot with work, sometimes in hotels for weeks, I hate it, I can't imagine having to share a room with kids etc and every meal is something with chips. I know it's no holiday camp or anything. However it's not the street!

I understand what you're saying. To be honest when I think about homelessness it's not the young families in B&Bs right now that concerns me as it is just a temporary solution before a better arrangement is found for them.

Homelessness to me is the women and men (both young and old) who are sleeping rough right now in the freezing cold or are staying in emergency hostels where they are in a vunerable position for people to prey upon.....and this has been their life for months and years.

That is homelessness and the true face of it. I think people don't realise that or have forgotten that because the issue seems to have been commandeered by the debate around housing for people who have never truly faced, nor will have to face, what it is to be in a truly desperate situation.

Sleeper12

Feisar wrote:

Just to clarify I travel a lot with work, sometimes in hotels for weeks, I hate it, I can't imagine having to share a room with kids etc and every meal is something with chips. I know it's no holiday camp or anything. However it's not the street!

Homeless figures was never just the guy sleeping rough. Most other countries include people sleeping in friends homes etc. This is how Leo made the comment that our homeless levels are actually very low compared to other countries. Most other countries would include me sleeping on a mate couch for a few weeks between flats or even a younger family living with the in laws for a year or so.. Most countries & certainly all EU countries inc people in hostel & hotels as homeless.

This isn't a new development we have always done this. It's just that the figures have been so high that it's been making the papers

hawkelady

HandsomeBob wrote: »

Feisar wrote: »

"I'm homeless" - "yes you are, here's a hotel for you to live in." "Boo the state, I need a house to
Just to clarify I travel a lot with work, sometimes in hotels for weeks, I hate it, I can't imagine having to share a room with kids etc and every meal is something with chips. I know it's no holiday camp or anything. However it's not the street!

I understand what you're saying. To be honest when I think about homelessness it's not the young families in B&Bs right now that concerns me as it is just a temporary solution before a better arrangement is found for them.

Homelessness to me is the women and men (both young and old) who are sleeping rough right now in the freezing cold or are staying in emergency hostels where they are in a vunerable position for people to prey upon.....and this has been their life for months and years.

That is homelessness and the true face of it. I think people don't realise that or have forgotten that because the issue seems to have been commandeered by the debate around housing for people who have never truly faced, nor will have to face, what it is to be in a truly desperate situation.

I totally agree with you. Sure we had a woman on the news recently saying she's homeless for over a year whereas in fact she was staying in the Gresham hotel. She wasn't bloody homeless !!

Reati

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

How can you still be unemployed?

Everywhere I go and look there is companies crying out for labour for all sorts of jobs.

We have a labour shortage, thats why we have so many foreign people coming here.

Maybe your cv isnt up to scratch?

Maybe all the places they interviewed have the same condisending attitude your posts stinks off towards someone unemployed.

Oh, nice to see the little dig at the foreigners too! Be a shame to miss that opportunity. Just for some insight for you. We don't have a labour shortage. We have a skills shortage due to a sub par educational system.

Field east

Oranage2 wrote: »

I wrote this in another thread.

There are approx. 8857 recorded homeless people in Ireland, out of these 8857, 150 approximately are sleeping rough though reports have it between
(120-180). So that means that the government is housing 8700 homeless people, and out of the 150 odd people,well there are enough beds for them but they refuse to use them for a variety of reasons, mental health, drugs, safety etc.

These unfortunate people are being helped, of course facilities and education should be forever improving, but what else are you expecting the government to do?

The government already houses them temporarily (while also offering them a more permanent home), gives them money for food and clothes for themselves and their family, educates their children and also provides free medical care.

Go onto Facebook/social media and you'll see a real sense of entitlement, any problem these people face their first thought is to get the landlord or TD to fix it, while the average Joe soap will think about saving some money and getting it fixed.

These are only vulnerable because they're simple minded leeches.

It is of interest that nothing much was made of the several 'homeless' families that got notice to leave the Gresham hotel recently. The cost, for example , was never questioned. How come that much cheaper hotels /hostels could not have been used. Was it because that they wanted to be near a service that is in /around O Connell street
Also would it be possible to have a daily statistic on the number of bed spaces not taken up- especially during the winter time. This statistic could be gathered by the various county/ city councils and especially from those organisations getting public money for their operations. Maybe this statistic would not be 'politically' desirable as it might burst a number of bubbles.

up for anything

david75 wrote: »

The irony being anyone living with their parents in their 20s/30s for any length of time usually really hates them before long

It's not such a picnic from the other side either. There was I looking forward to the day when mine would fly the nest, hopefully right after the Leaving Cert but I have four living at home for most of the week. You try living with semi-adults of 23, 20 and 18 (at least the 16 year old can blame hormones) that are so closely related to you. It's a feckin' nightmare. It was easier back when I was flat/house sharing with a bunch of strangers with all the strife that that brought with it. I can't wait for the day I get a chance to miss my children.

Wheeliebin30

Reati wrote: »

Maybe all the places they interviewed have the same condisending attitude your posts stinks off towards someone unemployed.

Oh, nice to see the little dig at the foreigners too! Be a shame to miss that opportunity. Just for some insight for you. We don't have a labour shortage. We have a skills shortage due to a sub par educational system.

This is a discussion forum, im allowed ask questions and im glad youre offended.

I have more respect for the foreigners coming here to do the jobs the lazy, sponging, hand constantly out looking for stuff without contributing useless irish people are too good for.

But continue.... please

Oh by the way our 500,000 foreign workers in the service industry shows we indeed have a massive labour shortage.

corner of hells

koumi wrote: »

Don't know why I'm saying this, told myself I wouldn't engage but figure it wouldn't hurt to give an alternative perspective even if it is after hours. I'm unemployed, been unemployed for a while and not for the want of trying. I do have local authority housing which I'm guessing if I didn't have, would probably just be another statistic. I didn't just land a house, I was in private rented accommodation for five years and on a waiting list for that time. I don't think it's anybody's intention to want to be in that position and always hoped I would be able to sustain myself.

I don't like being unemployed or not being able to make a contribution to society. Thats just personally how I feel. My circumstances make doing that kind of difficult and even trying to change my circumstances is a task in itself, because of my circumstances, so you see it's a bit of a catch 22 situation.

So I did a couple of things. I sat down one day and decided I wanted to make a contribution no matter how small and picked a couple of charities online that I wanted to support and set up a direct debit with them. (I'm still on the masively large amount of 193e pw which I get for sitting around doing nothing) I figured I could afford it, I started out with three who I donated 5e a month to. Yep, sometimes my bank account was in the red but I looked at it as my job to make sure they were paid so was conscious to not buy that extra coffee that I probably didn't need or filled up wash up liquid bottle to make it last a little bit longer. 15e a month when you think about it, not much less than what I pay for my phone top up. When I ordered my weekly shopping online I would check the little box to make a contribution to whichever charity had been selected that year/month. Every week, 1.79, a tiny amount but with each cent that I gave I felt less useless.

I pay for my own healthcare, pay doctor privately, pay for medicines as you would do and pay for everything else that needs seen to with the money that I have either saved or borrowed, because wait for it, that is actually how bad this country is right now. This thread is just a reflection of that and I've stopped even feeling sad about it. If you feel bad about giving to the least of them then just don't do it.

Why have you not got a medical card ?

Sleeper12

Reati wrote: »

Maybe all the places they interviewed have the same condisending attitude your posts stinks off towards someone unemployed.

Oh, nice to see the little dig at the foreigners too! Be a shame to miss that opportunity. Just for some insight for you. We don't have a labour shortage. We have a skills shortage due to a sub par educational system.

I usually don't agree whith most of what Wheeliebin says but you should correct this. All he said was that there is a labour shortage (there is) & that foreign nationals are coming & filling these posts. He's not saying that we shouldn't have them. He's actually pointing out that we need them & they are welcome here.

They come here & pay tax. Not all Irish people are willing to pay tax

Assetbacked

My gripe isn’t the provision of a roof over someone’s head by the State but the fact that social housing is being provided in the City’s Centre of Dublin while;

1. People pay huge rent to live in apartments very close to people paying negligible rents; and

2. People are given social housing in the city centre when they should be given housing outside of the city so people who want to live in the city centre and are willing to pay for it can do this.

Harsher criteria for assessment and make the houses in less attractive areas to weed out the chancers.

Money should be taken away from social housing and used to fund a grant programmer for apartment building in Dublin City Centre until the market shows signs of stabilizing.

Wheeliebin30

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I usually don't agree whith most of what Wheeliebin says but you should correct this. All he said was that there is a labour shortage (there is) & that foreign nationals are coming & filling these posts. He's not saying that we shouldn't have them. He's actually pointing out that we need them & they are welcome here.

They come here & pay tax. Not all Irish people are willing to pay tax

Exactly.

Thanks!

koumi

corner of hells wrote: »

Why have you not got a medical card ?

I do, I never got any kind of help under the public health care system and as a last resort sought out proper medical care privately, it's surprising how much better healthcare it is when you pay for it.

I get that might not sit well with some people but the long and short of it is had I remained under public healthcare I wouldn't be any closer to getting well enough to no longer be a drain on society.

sideswipe

The term ‘homeless’ has become damaging.
It’s a catch all term to describe people without a house- surely house less would be a more fitting term. People are genuinely starting to glaze over when the term is rolled out. There are plenty of genuinely homeless people that are possibly being obscured by the ‘Houseless’ problem.

Ps of course the shortage of houses needs to be addressed too, but the two issues need to be separated.

Your Face

It's hard for any agency to ascertain who are the genuine cases.

If they help everyone - they're called mugs.
If they help nobody - they're called scumbags.

They do what they can and get called both.

david75

david75 wrote: »

Let’s not forget the probably vast amount of hidden homeless, those in their 20s and upwards being forced to love with parents and family cos they can’t find a place even if they could afford one.

By hidden homeless you mean not homeless I take it.

It's gone beyond a joke when people are claiming that someone living at home is "homeless".

hawkelady

Myah Silly Blackhead wrote: »

david75 wrote: »

Let’s not forget the probably vast amount of hidden homeless, those in their 20s and upwards being forced to love with parents and family cos they can’t find a place even if they could afford one.

By hidden homeless you mean not homeless I take it.




It's gone beyond a joke when people are claiming that someone living at home is "homeless".

Same as it's beyond a joke when someone staying in the Gresham is homeless !! With their fry every morning and gym. Don't forget their high speed internet so they can like Facebook posts from Richard Boyd etc .. joke indeed

Conservative

Where do I sign up to live in a 4* hotel in Dublin City Centre free of charge? An indefinite stay will be just fine.

Thanks!

JMNolan

Conservative wrote: »

Where do I sign up to live in a 4* hotel in Dublin City Centre free of charge? An indefinite stay will be just fine.

Thanks!

If your caravan gets damaged in a storm you can get a stay in a 4* hotel in Cork for free if that's any good?

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/storm-damage-sees-traveller-families-housed-in-top-4-star-hotel-465920.html

david75

hawkelady wrote: »

Same as it's beyond a joke when someone staying in the Gresham is homeless !! With their fry every morning and gym. Don't forget their high speed internet so they can like Facebook posts from Richard Boyd etc .. joke indeed

Can’t tell if serious.
By definition living in someone else’s home or being accommodated in a hotel as emergency accommodation, is homelessness.
You don’t have a home of your own. You really think it’s champagne and luxury spa living in one room in a hotel? Can you imagine it if you had kids?
Have you ever been priced out of simply unable to find a room to rent in Dublin or anywhere?
These are just some of the issues at Play if you don’t think they exist and if you think people choose to live that way You’re living in an alternative reality

david75

Also most people you see rough sleeping are either unable to get a bed in a hostel or are unwilling to sleep in a dorm with room often populated by addicts who are up all night taking their drugs of choice and you wake up with your belongings rifled through and phone / wallet often stolen. Sleeping rough is preferable to that for some people. I’ve spoken to two different lads living in tents in the park and the issues above and others like others in the room fighting all night and police often being called are reasons too.
Nobody chooses to be homeless and it’s a minefield of a million different factors and problems, each persons story is different to the next.
It’s naive bordering on stupid to think anyone chooses this for themselves.
I hope it never happens to you.

corner of hells

david75 wrote: »

Also most people you see rough sleeping are either unable to get a bed in a hostel or are unwilling to sleep in a dorm with room often populated by addicts who are up all night taking their drugs of choice and you wake up with your belongings rifled through and phone / wallet often stolen. Sleeping rough is preferable to that for some people. I’ve spoken to two different lads living in tents in the park and the issues above and others like others in the room fighting all night and police often being called are reasons too.
Nobody chooses to be homeless and it’s a minefield of a million different factors and problems, each persons story is different to the next.
It’s naive bordering on stupid to think anyone chooses this for themselves.
I hope it never happens to you.

David , I work in homeless hostels and they very from one night only, rolling bed , six month placement etc. To suggest that residents are being robbed and that there's fighting all night is just wrong.
All residents are provided with lockers and calling the police is a last resort.

ThunbergsAreGo

Myah Silly Blackhead wrote: »

david75 wrote: »

Let’s not forget the probably vast amount of hidden homeless, those in their 20s and upwards being forced to love with parents and family cos they can’t find a place even if they could afford one.

By hidden homeless you mean not homeless I take it.

It's gone beyond a joke when people are claiming that someone living at home is "homeless".

It's joke the question is never asked of these house less why they aren't living at home with parents

amcalester

naughtb4 wrote: »

It's joke the question is never asked of these house less why they aren't living at home with parents

Can’t be homeless if you’re living at home

karenalot

david75 wrote: »

if you think people choose to live that way You’re living in an alternative reality

Having worked directly in these hotels I can tell you many of the homeless occupants do choose to live that way. Some even refused to leave when accommodation was found for them because they knew they would have to look after their own bills. In hotels they pay zero for their bed and meals.

david75

corner of hells wrote: »

David , I work in homeless hostels and they very from one night only, rolling bed , six month placement etc. To suggest that residents are being robbed and that there's fighting all night is just wrong.
All residents are provided with lockers and calling the police is a last resort.

That’s what two different lads told me sleeping in tents in the Phoenix Park. Neither addicts or with any other deep associated problems.

Oranage2

david75 wrote: »

That’s what two different lads told me sleeping in tents in the Phoenix Park. Neither addicts or with any other deep associated problems.

Must be true so...

Field east

karenalot wrote: »

Having worked directly in these hotels I can tell you many of the homeless occupants do choose to live that way. Some even refused to leave when accommodation was found for them because they knew they would have to look after their own bills. In hotels they pay zero for their bed and meals.

I wonder if the RTE sponsored 'Primetime Investigates' would have the nerve to go undercover and investigate a sample of either/ or the homeless and those sleeping rough or and the truth with regards to the stories about the hostels and the sledged problems therein.
For example, is the typical homeless family prepared to drag the kids through the sledged ordeal and not stay with a father , mother - on either side- brother, sister, aunt , uncle , grandfather, grandmother a good friend or whatever. You get the impression that they have no friends or relations
We very seldom are told anything about the father/partner/ husband. And the interviewer never enquiries.
Re RTÉ doing an investigation- I think not as it would not be politicallly correct in their eyes, what would it do for news if it made a very substantial hole in what is percieved.
So we continue on with the King With No Clothes, the spin put on the whole homeless situation, the Fake News put out there. Thrump was not the first to identify fake news.
I am not putting all of the homeless/ those sleeping rough into the one box . But all of those involved in it have hidden agendas and we need an objective look at it. One side will make it look as bad as is possible and the other side will try and counteract it. The late John Cory , who died on the steps of a house near the Dail, comes to mind

corner of hells

david75 wrote: »

corner of hells wrote: »

David , I work in homeless hostels and they very from one night only, rolling bed , six month placement etc. To suggest that residents are being robbed and that there's fighting all night is just wrong.
All residents are provided with lockers and calling the police is a last resort.

That’s what two different lads told me sleeping in tents in the Phoenix Park. Neither addicts or with any other deep associated problems.

The opinion of two people could hardly be any sort of reasonable example.
Lots in the hostels I work in have no addictions or significant issues.If anything there's a whole cross section of society living in hostels varying from addicts right up to people in employment.
When did you speak to those two in the park ? Because as far as I know at the moment there's no one in the park.

david75

corner of hells wrote: »

The opinion of two people could hardly be any sort of reasonable example.
Lots in the hostels I work in have no addictions or significant issues.If anything there's a whole cross section of society living in hostels varying from addicts right up to people in employment.
When did you speak to those two in the park ? Because as far as I know at the moment there's no one in the park.

I wasn’t suggesting everyone of them is the same, each situation varies wildly from person to person and you know that in that job. As you say there’s people even working and are homeless in the hostel system (something I hope you point out later to some precious posters who seem to think every homeless person is the same and hoses to live this way). About the two in the park this was a few weeks back. One guy or at least his tent is gone the other still there. I took a pic of both tents I’ll try find em for ye. It was the same day as the homeless protest outside the dail that I do remember

david75

david75 wrote: »

I wasn’t suggesting everyone of them is the same, each situation varies wildly from person to person and you know that in that job. As you say there’s people even working and are homeless in the hostel system (something I hope you point out later to some precious posters who seem to think every homeless person is the same and hoses to live this way). About the two in the park this was a few weeks back. One guy or at least his tent is gone the other still there. I took a pic of both tents I’ll try find em for ye. It was the same day as the homeless protest outside the dail that I do remember

There ye go. 12/12