"Friends was racist and sexist"

razorblunt · 16-01-2018 02:35PM

I hate the growing trend of folk picking strawman arguments like this and pretending it's a bigger problem that it is.
There's a lad making a a documentary about the "problem with Apu" from The Simpsons. They're looking for the 15 minutes of fame, easy to get nowadays.

Strawperson, STRAWPERSON!!!!!

16-01-2018 02:37PM

I know, and when they get it, they're on FIRST DATES or some such shyte... imagine having 15 minutes to give a message to the world or do something constructive, and this is what you come up with!!!

Dakota Dan · 16-01-2018 02:49PM

Relikk wrote: »

Each to their own and all that, but I genuinely feel a little sorry for people who think Friends is one of the funniest T.V. shows they've ever seen.

As with a lot of shows when they are hyped up the sheeple will follow because everyone else is watching it.

givyjoe · 16-01-2018 02:52PM

Dakota Dan wrote: »

As with a lot of shows when they are hyped up the sheeple will follow because everyone else is watching it.

Alternatively a lot of people try watching a show because it's recommended and then like it themselves. I'm sure the ten's of millions who watched and loved the show were't doing it to be 'in with the cool kids'.

You didn't like it, we get it. I'd say you're in the minority though.

Boom_Bap · 16-01-2018 02:57PM

Dakota Dan wrote: »

As with a lot of shows when they are hyped up the sheeple will follow because everyone else is watching it.

Ah now, there were a handful of channels and it was always on the box. No chance to not watch it :pac:

fyfe79 · 16-01-2018 03:06PM

I bet Sam Boland works as a barista somewhere. Not Starbucks or Costa, obviously.... too mainstream.

Klinkhammer · 16-01-2018 03:14PM

The Fresh Prince of Bel Air ran from 1990 - 1996
Married with Children ran from 1987-1997
Friends ran from 1994- 2004

These are the sitcoms millennials grew up on. People seem to think millennials are younger than they are. If you're 35 you're a millennial.

ThisRegard · 16-01-2018 03:20PM

Ok, I have to ask, what the **** do people classify a millennial as? The definitions are all over the kip with no apparent consensus, some definitions which would basically cover everyone alive now that's over the age of 18 but not yet retired, to those that say if you're born between 1980 and the early to mid 2000s you're one. It's a nonsense.

Boom_Bap · 16-01-2018 03:22PM

ThisRegard wrote: »

Ok, I have to ask, what the **** do people classify a millennial as? The definitions are all over the kip with no apparent consensus, some definitions which would basically cover everyone alive now that's over the age of 18 but not yet retired, to those that say if you're born between 1980 and the early to mid 2000s you're one. It's a nonsense.

Funnily enough, I was just looking that up.
The thing is, you just know one when you encounter one :pac::pac:

whoopsadoodles · 16-01-2018 03:22PM

ThisRegard wrote: »

Ok, I have to ask, what the **** do people classify a millennial as? The definitions are all over the kip with no apparent consensus, some definitions which would basically cover everyone alive now that's over the age of 18 but not yet retired, to those that say if you're born between 1980 and the early to mid 2000s you're one. It's a nonsense.

I looked it up last night again because I was told I'm too old to be one :pac:

Apparently the term was coined to describe people who would graduate school in the new millennium. So anyone doing their leaving in or after 2000 is a millennial. Which makes sense reallt.

So people born in 1982 and after?

Klinkhammer · 16-01-2018 03:27PM

ThisRegard wrote: »

born between 1980 and the early to mid 2000s you're one.

It is pretty much this. It's a term used to describe a generation. That's all. People seem to think it's some sort of political movement or a lifestyle choice.

JohnMc1 · 16-01-2018 03:41PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Hey dont blame millenials.

I'm sure some of them have an IQ higher than single digits. Granted not this guy but some millenials must be fairly smart.

The Millenials that are smart aren't drinking this SJW Kool-Aid bull****. Thank God, most of them are starting to wake up.

jimgoose · 16-01-2018 03:49PM

Klinkhammer wrote: »

It is pretty much this. It's a term used to describe a generation. That's all. People seem to think it's some sort of political movement or a lifestyle choice.

I just keep thinking of Mick "Bull" Daly from The Savage Eye. :pac::pac::pac:

Klinkhammer · 16-01-2018 04:03PM

JohnMc1 wrote: »

The Millenials that are smart aren't drinking this SJW Kool-Aid bull****. Thank God, most of them are starting to wake up.

The Millennials that are smart are running Google, Facebook and pretty much everything you use on the Internet as well as the top restaurants, craft breweries etc etc. The idea that they're all some sort of outraged simpletons is quite funny really.

ThisRegard · 16-01-2018 04:19PM

Klinkhammer wrote: »

It is pretty much this. It's a term used to describe a generation. That's all. People seem to think it's some sort of political movement or a lifestyle choice.

Yeah, that's a 30 year spectrum there though, so 10 year old is thrown into the same putrid pile as a 37 year old.

Anyway, I'm in the clear, f you millennials!

Klinkhammer wrote: »

The Millennials that are smart are running Google, Facebook and pretty much everything you use on the Internet as well as the top restaurants, craft breweries etc etc. The idea that they're all some sort of outraged simpletons is quite funny really.

Ha ha, that's such a classic millennial thing to say, don't be such a snow flake.

[Am I doing it right?]

16-01-2018 04:20PM

Klinkhammer wrote: »

The Millennials that are smart are running Google, Facebook and pretty much everything you use on the Internet as well as the top restaurants, craft breweries etc etc. The idea that they're all some sort of outraged simpletons is quite funny really.

vlogging suicides in Japan, keeping up with the kardashians, calling themselves culture icons and social influencers. They're the loreal generation for a reason.
In their only defence, they're a product of programming and their culture.

Klinkhammer · 16-01-2018 04:27PM

rusty cole wrote: »

vlogging suicides in Japan, keeping up with the kardashians, calling themselves culture icons and social influencers. They're the loreal generation for a reason.
In their only defence, they're a product of programming and their culture.

Sure its no different than Meryl Streep, Oprah or Trump deciding they're cultural icons or political titans. It wasn't Millennials that voted Trump in or give credence to the opinions of talk show hosts and actors. Every generation has its idiots.

jimgoose · 16-01-2018 04:28PM

Klinkhammer wrote: »

The Millennials that are smart are running Google, Facebook and pretty much everything you use on the Internet as well as the top restaurants, craft breweries etc etc. The idea that they're all some sort of outraged simpletons is quite funny really.

Sundar Pichai is 45, Sergei Brin and Larry Page are both 44, Eric Schmidt is 62, and Ruth Porat is 61. That's just the top-tier at Google. Over at Facebook, the story is similar - Mark Zuckerberg at 33 is the only one of the top-tier within an ass's roar of Millennial age.

dr.fuzzenstein · 16-01-2018 04:31PM

Klinkhammer wrote: »

Sure its no different than Meryl Streep, Oprah or Trump deciding they're cultural icons or political titans. It wasn't Millennials that voted Trump in or give credence to talk show hosts and actors. Every generation has its idiots.

Klinkhammer · 16-01-2018 04:34PM

jimgoose wrote: »

Sundar Pichai is 45, Sergei Brin and Larry Page are both 44, Eric Schmidt is 62, and Ruth Porat is 61. That's just the top-tier at Google. Over at Facebook, the story is similar - Mark Zuckerberg at 33 is the only one of the top-tier within an ass's roar of Millennial age.

Zuckerberg is bang on for a millennial. Head down to Grand Canal Dock and most of the managers are well under 40. Fair enough the top brass may be just outside the Millennial age group but just about and the vast majority of the staff and content makers are very much Millennials.

jimgoose · 16-01-2018 04:35PM

Klinkhammer wrote: »

Zuckerberg is bang on for a millennial. Head down to Grand Canal Dock and most of the managers are well under 40. Fair enough the top brass may be just outside the Millennial age group but just about and the vast majority of the staff and content makers are very much Millennials.

Yes, "content maker" is a very Millennial sort of job, right enough. Babies make a fine job of it as well, hence Pampers! :pac::pac::pac:

16-01-2018 04:43PM

Friends is very dated, but it is what it is - a product of it's time. Joey was always a bit sleazy, Chandler always insecure in his masculinity, Monica openly neurotic and Rachel vain and shallow. Phoebe was at best a well meaning idiot.

None of them were supposed to be perfect. Hindsight is being applied with an agenda attached and things that were perfectly normal in the cultural climate of the time are being analysed through the lens of current (over) sensitivities. It's a pointless exercise.

You only have to look at how the LESBIAN WEDDING! is handled to see that it was both a running joke and a punchline, but that's just how it was then. It's not even remarkable now.

I don't think it's the funniest show ever because it wasn't. It was an easy watch and I'd say very popular for that reason.

the_pen_turner · 16-01-2018 04:49PM

How about the current soap s . I'm sure if look back at them you would be shocked at the racism and sexism
And most of it a lot .more recent than friends

jimgoose · 16-01-2018 04:51PM

Candie wrote: »

...You only have to look at how the LESBIAN WEDDING! is handled to see that it was both a running joke and a punchline...

70% of people - women included, in fact especially women - still go FNAAARR!! at real-life lesbian weddings. Fact.

Boom_Bap · 16-01-2018 05:04PM

Candie wrote: »

Friends is very dated, but it is what it is - a product of it's time. Joey was always a bit sleazy, Chandler always insecure in his masculinity, Monica openly neurotic and Rachel vain and shallow. Phoebe was at best a well meaning idiot.

None of them were supposed to be perfect. Hindsight is being applied with an agenda attached and things that were perfectly normal in the cultural climate of the time are being analysed through the lens of current (over) sensitivities. It's a pointless exercise.

You only have to look at how the LESBIAN WEDDING! is handled to see that it was both a running joke and a punchline, but that's just how it was then. It's not even remarkable now.

I don't think it's the funniest show ever because it wasn't. It was an easy watch and I'd say very popular for that reason.

Don't forget that when they all came together they poked a fat man with a poking rod they made with chopsticks.

16-01-2018 05:17PM

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Don't forget that when they all came together they poked a fat man with a poking rod they made with chopsticks.

Not in the least bit body-positive!

"RETRACT THE DEVICE!"

brainfreeze · 16-01-2018 05:20PM

ThisRegard wrote: »

Yeah, that's a 30 year spectrum there though, so 10 year old is thrown into the same putrid pile as a 37 year old.

They are marketing terms/generations, not real generations. Millennial is a fancy word for Generation Y that has picked up steam by American news networks, and now has negative connotations because of negative stories they run (affordable income, housing issues compared to other generations etc). It's not meant to be slur or even a specific type of person, it's literally just a marketing term for a specific age range.

Different companies have different cut off points for Gen Y like 1995, 2000 etc. It got the term Millennial because many Gen Yers started to come of age around the Millennium.

Generation X (MTV Generation) had the same wide spectrum depending on the marketing company. From 1961 to 1980.

That's as deep as it gets, marketing companies deciding the best way to try and sell you something. Either by Cartoon Characters, Sex, or promises that if you take x you'll look younger and your knees will work.

Boom_Bap · 16-01-2018 05:28PM

Candie wrote: »

Not in the least bit body-positive!

"RETRACT THE DEVICE!"

Bunch of body shamers so they are

_Dara_ · 16-01-2018 05:34PM

bnt wrote: »

The Big Bang Theory has been good at times, but it's been running on fumes for years now. Another sitcom from the same people, Mom, is much, much better, mostly thanks to its stars, Anna Faris and Allison Janney. (Janney has won two Emmys for her role already, and is a strong contender for an Oscar this year for I, Tonya, if that's any indication.)

I never found TBBT funny and always thought its premise lacked legs.

_Dara_ · 16-01-2018 05:39PM

Kole Thundering Underarm wrote: »

agreed, the women in particular Phoebe (who was petty and vindictive) and Monica (shrill, loud and a bully) were awful people and the only nice/tolerable ones were joey and chandler

That was that latter seasons. It’s the same with any long-running series. The characters tend to become flanderised.

"Friends was racist and sexist"

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