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DCM 2017 Graduates: Onwards and upwards!

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  • #392
    El Caballo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭El Caballo


    Sorry I haven't been able to get around to all your questions folks as I'm after been called back into work for a new contract and time isn't been so good to me. Will get get on em tomorrow when I get a chance.


  • #393
    skyblue46
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,805 ✭✭✭skyblue46


    Kellygirl wrote: »
    Yes but you would be much faster than me for example so a 3 hour easy run for you would cover way more than it would for me and surely going into a marathon with the longest run being 15 miles would be a bit odd? I totally get there’s other days and sessions in the plan of course.

    Testosterscone seems to have covered it. It's the accumulation of training plus the reduced injury risk. It's a question of trusting the experts. Lol.


  • #394
    Testosterscone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,414 ✭✭✭Testosterscone


    Kellygirl wrote: »
    Yes but you would be much faster than me for example so a 3 hour easy run for you would cover way more than it would for me and surely going into a marathon with the longest run being 15 miles would be a bit odd? I totally get there’s other days and sessions in the plan of course.

    It does take a bit of faith because it goes against the normally plans that say you must have x amount of 20 milers but I specifically designed the plan as such because I felt that the plans are flawed to the point where they are too focused about getting as many people as possible to finish the marathon rather than trying to develop the runner as much as possible in the time frame.

    I made the analogy before of it being like a footballer getting a cortisone injection at half time after an injury to get through the rest of the big game without looking at the fact that playing on with the injury could ended up ruining their career.

    The long runs are the most specific thing in these plans that get you conditioned to long runs (and the marathon just being an extension of this) they don't acknowledge the cost that might be associated with that. This plan is to develop you overall as a runner to get you in a better place to physically get best out of the fitness you have built up.

    TBO is actually an example of this plan in action for anyone who it may be of interest

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057595189


  • #395
    Kellygirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,022 ✭✭✭Kellygirl


    Testosterscone wrote: »
    Not at all.

    The 3 hour limit is done by design. Basically the idea behind this is that aerobic fitness develops faster than muscular endurance.

    When your body fatigues the muscles in your hip for most people relatively new to marathon running (2-3 years of running) your form goes and unfortunately unlike say cycling or other sports where your body will shut down to protect itself (slow your cadence etc) gravity doesn't have a give and your body is taking the same pressure whether the hips have the strength or not.

    As a result the risk associated with going over 3 hours vs the aerobic benefits (There is a well regarded study done years ago about the plateauing effects of runs beyond three hours in terms of aerobic benefit) are not worth it (this is why niggles crop up so much in the later stages of the likes of the Novice threads and other's relatively new to marathon training.

    Even though you won't have the 20 milers done because there is more mileage throughout the week coupled with session you end up being in better shape fitness wise with just slightly less specificity. For most people this extra volume elsewhere coupled with the consistency due to lower injury risk tend to have runners better prepared for a marathon.

    I did a post on this in one of the previous threads which explains the thinking behind this a bit more

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=97831496&postcount=72

    Another way of putting it is that currently the best marathon runner in the world will rarely run longer than 2 hours on his long run, sure he is covering more distance but if you asked him to do a 3 hour run even at what would be easy pace would amount to a 30 mile run and most would consider it too tough and counterproductive to run longer and these are athletes running 100-160 miles per week every week. Should you be training harder than them on your sunday run?

    Thanks a mill for the reply Testosterscone. I’m not sure I could cover all the mileage in the plan weekly as I can really only get out 4 days at most so should I increase one of the midweek runs to keep the mileage up?


  • #396
    El Caballo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭El Caballo


    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=104460224&postcount=2291

    Time is more important than distance;)


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  • #397
    Kellygirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,022 ✭✭✭Kellygirl


    El Caballo wrote: »
    Sorry I haven't been able to get around to all your questions folks as I'm after been called back into work for a new contract and time isn't been so good to me. Will get get on em tomorrow when I get a chance.

    No worries at all. Good luck with the contract.


  • #398
    RolandDeschain
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 109 ✭✭RolandDeschain


    Just to give my own feedback on the graduate plans, personally I am finding the sessions really enjoyable. They are hard and tough but really fun and my favourite runs of the week.

    I'm finding the easy runs a real grind. I thought the suggested easy paces were too slow but it's actually really tough to run any quicker than the suggested paces.

    I have a question on S&C.....so currently doing two sessions a week. So I was in the gym yesterday and found my "easy" 1 hour run today pretty tough. Should I schedule these gym workouts after the sessions? Hard days hard, easy days easy?


  • #399
    skyblue46
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,805 ✭✭✭skyblue46


    RolandDeschain wrote: »
    Just to give my own feedback on the graduate plans, personally I am finding the sessions really enjoyable. They are hard and tough but really fun and my favourite runs of the week.

    I'm finding the easy runs a real grind. I thought the suggested easy paces were too slow but it's actually really tough to run any quicker than the suggested paces.

    I have a question on S&C.....so currently doing two sessions a week. So I was in the gym yesterday and found my "easy" 1 hour run today pretty tough. Should I schedule these gym workouts after the sessions? Hard days hard, easy days easy?

    I'll second that, I'm loving the plan and really feel the fitness and pace improving. It's a winner...and hopefully a PB in Bohermeen will prove it! :-))


  • #400
    Kellygirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,022 ✭✭✭Kellygirl


    Testosterscone wrote: »
    It does take a bit of faith because it goes against the normally plans that say you must have x amount of 20 milers but I specifically designed the plan as such because I felt that the plans are flawed to the point where they are too focused about getting as many people as possible to finish the marathon rather than trying to develop the runner as much as possible in the time frame.

    I made the analogy before of it being like a footballer getting a cortisone injection at half time after an injury to get through the rest of the big game without looking at the fact that playing on with the injury could ended up ruining their career.

    The long runs are the most specific thing in these plans that get you conditioned to long runs (and the marathon just being an extension of this) they don't acknowledge the cost that might be associated with that. This plan is to develop you overall as a runner to get you in a better place to physically get best out of the fitness you have built up.

    TBO is actually an example of this plan in action for anyone who it may be of interest

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057595189

    Just read through TBO’s training very quickly there and his race report. That’s really interesting and the longest run was 16 miles. It’s the number of runs mid week that will get me - I’d be divorced! Anyway i’ve A couple of weeks to figure it out. Base plan tomorrow!


  • #401
    RolandDeschain
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 109 ✭✭RolandDeschain


    skyblue46 wrote: »
    I'll second that, I'm loving the plan and really feel the fitness and pace improving. It's a winner...and hopefully a PB in Bohermeen will prove it! :-))

    I've seen your times on Strava S, you will absolutely fly around Bohermeen. I've not been massively consistent but still hoping for a good race. Then on to the River Moy half in May. I really want to have a good cut at that race.


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  • #402
    clickerquicklic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 812 ✭✭✭clickerquicklic


    skyblue46 wrote: »
    I'll second that, I'm loving the plan and really feel the fitness and pace improving. It's a winner...and hopefully a PB in Bohermeen will prove it! :-))

    I really need to get back to following a plan , tbh i'm struggling since the marathon to allocate the time to running so am fitting runs in going to work and have totally neglected the long runs.
    You guys are convincing me to look at it again and make it work , maybe I can do a session on the commute but the paths are already full with people it would be hard. No idea where I am PB wise probably slower than pre marathon but feel stronger.

    What pace did you guys use for the calculators ? a recent 5k or results from the race series? Thanks and well done I follow a few of you on strava and you are all flyin.


  • #403
    BrownEyes79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 258 ✭✭BrownEyes79


    Kellygirl wrote: »
    Are you training with a particular race in mind Browneyes? I suppose it depends on when the end date of the plan is? Remember we were always told in the novice plan not to chase missed miles or runs and just move on but it’s different if you have loads of time as such.

    Thank KG, I planning on doing the Bohermeen half in March. I did the session for week 4 yesterday so I think I’ll continue with that. I’ll still be two weeks behind plan so will have to alter it a little over the next few weeks so I can get the taper in too!

    Just out of interest what is the recommended distance for a warm up & cool down?


  • #404
    skyblue46
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,805 ✭✭✭skyblue46


    clickerquicklic wrote: »
    I really need to get back to following a plan , tbh i'm struggling since the marathon to allocate the time to running so am fitting runs in going to work and have totally neglected the long runs.
    You guys are convincing me to look at it again and make it work , maybe I can do a session on the commute but the paths are already full with people it would be hard. No idea where I am PB wise probably slower than pre marathon but feel stronger.

    What pace did you guys use for the calculators ? a recent 5k or results from the race series? Thanks and well done I follow a few of you on strava and you are all flyin.

    I based it on a Jingle Bells 5k. I thought it might be a bit of an outlier what with the nature of the course but El C thinks I should be ok with it. You've been running fairly constantly so I think you could go with any recent PB. If you are sure and certain that you have soft PBs you could calculate based on a realistic guestimate of your current capabilities.


  • #405
    El Caballo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭El Caballo


    skyblue46 wrote: »
    Your marathon was run very conservatively so I wouldn't use it. Use the race times on the calculator perhaps. Yep then divide the time difference into 3 or 4 steps.

    +1
    BrownEyes79 wrote: »
    Hi everyone, just a quick question with regards to the graduates half marathon plan.
    I was really enjoying this plan for the first 2 weeks and did all my training days. Then week 3 was Christmas week and I only got out a couple of times, I missed the mid week session and last week (4th week) I didn’t get out at all but I did do cardio and S&C at home everyday.
    I’m going to get back at it this week properly but I’m wondering should I start the plan from week 1 again or continue where I left off or treat this week as week 5?

    I don’t get on here as much as I’d like but I love reading back on all the posts, there’s some brilliant advice on here

    Hey browneyes. Going back to week 2 would probably be your best bet, the has progression built in to it so if you haven't done the sessions due to time off, it's a leap forward without the backup of the previous weeks so it wouldn't be the best to run week 5 now.
    Kellygirl wrote: »
    A nutrition question? Do ye take gels while training? Looking at doing 1:45 mins at easy pace tomorrow so a much slower pace than I’m used to. When training for DCM I used take a gel every hour but I was going much faster too!

    Depends on how far I'm going on the long run personally, I usually don't bother unless I'm out for 2:15 hours or more and in marathon training as usually I'm taking them just to get used to stomaching them at certain times during the long run to practice for raceday.
    RolandDeschain wrote: »
    Just to give my own feedback on the graduate plans, personally I am finding the sessions really enjoyable. They are hard and tough but really fun and my favourite runs of the week.

    I'm finding the easy runs a real grind. I thought the suggested easy paces were too slow but it's actually really tough to run any quicker than the suggested paces.

    I have a question on S&C.....so currently doing two sessions a week. So I was in the gym yesterday and found my "easy" 1 hour run today pretty tough. Should I schedule these gym workouts after the sessions? Hard days hard, easy days easy?

    Good to see your enjoying the sessions roland. General consensus is that you should do the S&C on hard days. I would be careful here though as you don't want to be going really hard in the gym when you are running 2 workouts a week. The important thing is that it shouldn't have a huge effect on your running so if you feel ridiculously tired after the gym, might be an idea to just dial back the number of reps or sets and even weight if you are lifting. This isn't something I can tell you much about as you should learn over time where the balance is through experience but yeah, hard days hard.
    clickerquicklic wrote: »
    I really need to get back to following a plan , tbh i'm struggling since the marathon to allocate the time to running so am fitting runs in going to work and have totally neglected the long runs.
    You guys are convincing me to look at it again and make it work , maybe I can do a session on the commute but the paths are already full with people it would be hard. No idea where I am PB wise probably slower than pre marathon but feel stronger.

    What pace did you guys use for the calculators ? a recent 5k or results from the race series? Thanks and well done I follow a few of you on strava and you are all flyin.

    Recent race time is the best predictor clicker as it gives you the most accurate estimate of your current fitness. Remember, you train at current fitnes, not goal pace.


  • #406
    El Caballo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭El Caballo


    skyblue46 wrote: »
    Quick, or not so quick, question for El C. As you may have noticed the paces on the calculator have exercised quite a few minds. In other parts of cyber space our graduates are still struggling to come to terms with 'slowing down'. People doing 29 minute 5k parkruns are perplexed to see that their very easy runs should be done at 14m per mile...slower than a brisk walk. This filters through most paces and the consensus is that they can't run that slowly.

    In trying to make sense of it I have suggested that the paces really only apply to the plan. If someone is not doing sessions then they don't have the same need for recovery? If they are running alternate days then the rest days are the recovery and they can run tempo or moderate easy on other days? Is it simply not asking the body to push hard day after day? On the other hand if someone is running 5/6/7 days a week, sessions included, then it is more important that they pay heed to suggested very easy and easy paces?

    I've had a bit of time to think this over and although I said the calculator will become less relevant as a certain point, this isn't something that anyone here or from the novice thread should have to worry about as I overestimated the effects for say a 30 minute 5k runner. 30 min 5k equates to 13 mid range easy pace and most 30 minute 5k runners would be roughly around 2:30 for the half which is around 11:30 paceso a high 13 to low 14 sounds about right for the intensity you are looking at. It will out a lot closer to marathon pace for a 30 minute 5k runner than a 20 minute runner but thats because marathon pace for 20 minute runner could be 3:30 hours of running but marathon pace for the 30 minute 5k could be 5:30 hours of running. Time dictates intensity so the longer someone runs for the marathon, the closer easy pace is to marathon pace. What I'd say in this situation is that for someone running 30 minutes 5k is its probably ok to run on the fast end of the range if they are struggling to run at the lower end.

    For running alternate days, it doesn't really matter because it's not about how many days you run, it's about how much stress your body is used to so if you haven't run 7 days a week, your body will still see 4 days as a stress etc. Sessions make a difference yes, they usually slow you down the next day but They are aimed at a stimulus from intensity of the run itself and not the effectd of the workout the day before (The calculator doesn't know you did a workout etc. Testosterscone does but I think he'd agree that the pace would fit either way) and I think everyone here would be benefit from them whether they are doing the specific plan or not as there's still a huge amount to be gained from this lower intensity for newish runners.


  • #407
    clickerquicklic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 812 ✭✭✭clickerquicklic


    El Caballo wrote: »
    Recent race time is the best predictor clicker as it gives you the most accurate estimate of your current fitness. Remember, you train at current fitnes, not goal pace.

    I haven't run a race flat out really since the marathon , my 5k pb is 18.44 I did the Parkrun double and gave them both a good lash not 100% effort but not far off and ran 19.14 then 19.33 and hour or so later so probably not a million miles off my 5k pb if I went 100% for it in a 5k race.
    It's great to read the positive feedback from the plans I know I really enjoyed the marathon plan so i'll try juggle things around fit the sessions in. I'm enjoying the run commute a couple of times a week really helps bumping up the mileage.


  • #408
    Baby75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,072 ✭✭✭Baby75


    Slightly off topic but I just learned how to set up intervals on my tomtom watch yay :D I know it is the little things :p my two kids do not share my enthusiasm but I just had to share LOL

    I am loving all the information I am learning so much it is fantastic

    dare I ask, but would the graduate's plan and calculator for pacing be a better option for novices in the DCM novices thread ( hope I am not opening a can of worms here) :o


  • #409
    clickerquicklic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 812 ✭✭✭clickerquicklic


    Right I have this plan ready to go , I think i'll wait till after the Raheny 5 mile to start it and do 10k- half marathon. Quick question , sorry if answered before but are the hills run flat out?


  • #410
    Testosterscone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,414 ✭✭✭Testosterscone


    clickerquicklic wrote: »
    Right I have this plan ready to go , I think i'll wait till after the Raheny 5 mile to start it and do 10k- half marathon. Quick question , sorry if answered before but are the hills run flat out?

    Wouldn't be flat out but will be difficult enough aim is about 5k effort so you should feel controlled the first few and feeling it more as the session goes on.

    I generally tend to say to a person set your benchmark in the first two of where you finish. Spend the rest of the session trying to get atleast that far. If you are no where near that by the end of session you have gone out too hard.


  • #411
    Kellygirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,022 ✭✭✭Kellygirl


    First intentional slow long run done - and I stuck the time too for the most part! I was doing 1 hr 45 mins and I set off at easy pace. Needless to say it felt really easy at the start and after 3 miles I still wasn’t out of breath. It became a bit of a drag for a while and then I started to get tired and I started noticing hills (drags) where I never noticed them before! I covered 9 miles - had to keep going for another minute or two to round off to 9 miles for my own head!

    It messed with my head a little - I ran a 10 mile race when I was sick in 1hr 33 and seeing as i’ve generally run everything at the same pace until now more or less it felt weird. Also I felt it was nearly harder on my legs - is that weird? I felt like I could possibly never run faster again! Heart rate was lower than normal alright though.

    Feels good to have finally done what i’ve been told to do. I wonder do my kids feel like that when they finally listen to me - probably not!


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  • #412
    BrownEyes79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 258 ✭✭BrownEyes79


    Kellygirl wrote: »
    First intentional slow long run done - and I stuck the time too for the most part! I was doing 1 hr 45 mins and I set off at easy pace. Needless to say it felt really easy at the start and after 3 miles I still wasn’t out of breath. It became a bit of a drag for a while and then I started to get tired and I started noticing hills (drags) where I never noticed them before! I covered 9 miles - had to keep going for another minute or two to round off to 9 miles for my own head!

    It messed with my head a little - I ran a 10 mile race when I was sick in 1hr 33 and seeing as i’ve generally run everything at the same pace until now more or less it felt weird. Also I felt it was nearly harder on my legs - is that weird? I felt like I could possibly never run faster again! Heart rate was lower than normal alright though.

    Feels good to have finally done what i’ve been told to do. I wonder do my kids feel like that when they finally listen to me - probably not!


    I’ve been trying to slow down on my runs too. I know exactly what you mean, it nearly feels like more of an effort to run slow and harder on the legs but that all must be a good sign and I assume we are using different muscles too!


  • #413
    BrownEyes79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 258 ✭✭BrownEyes79


    Thanks El Caballo.
    I probably should of mentioned I’m aiming for a half marathon in March!! But I’m not going for any crazy PB or anything it’s more for experience! Once I get in or around my previous PB I’ll be happy

    I’ve 8 weeks of training before that so if I only get to week 9/10 of the graduate plan done should I still substitute the last week with the taper week? And will that training still get me around the course?


  • #414
    ariana`
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,301 ✭✭✭ariana`


    Kellygirl wrote: »
    First intentional slow long run done - and I stuck the time too for the most part! I was doing 1 hr 45 mins and I set off at easy pace. Needless to say it felt really easy at the start and after 3 miles I still wasn’t out of breath. It became a bit of a drag for a while and then I started to get tired and I started noticing hills (drags) where I never noticed them before! I covered 9 miles - had to keep going for another minute or two to round off to 9 miles for my own head!

    It messed with my head a little - I ran a 10 mile race when I was sick in 1hr 33 and seeing as i’ve generally run everything at the same pace until now more or less it felt weird. Also I felt it was nearly harder on my legs - is that weird? I felt like I could possibly never run faster again! Heart rate was lower than normal alright though.

    Feels good to have finally done what i’ve been told to do. I wonder do my kids feel like that when they finally listen to me - probably not!

    KG i noticed your nice low HR on Strava too and it got me looking at my own runs. Looking back at runs from last June, 3 consecutive weekends' long run

    Dist|Time|Avg HR
    15.0|1:33:xx|148
    15.0|1:31:xx|158
    14.0|1:30:xx|152


    And 2 recent long runs

    Dist|Time|Avg HR
    15.0|1:42:xx|165
    14.4|1:43:xx|162


    My HR seems to be significantly higher on the slower recent runs

    My watch is wrist based HR and while i hear they are not reliable, in my experience the trend tends to be mostly consistent, tougher runs/sessions = higher average hr, slower/shorter runs = lower average hr.

    So what does the above tell me?
    on paper it looks like I'm less aerobically fit than last June (at the time they were my longest runs ever!)

    The 2 recent long runs were the past 2 weekends and i'd done very little or no S&C in the days leading up to these runs and all other mid-week runs were at a similarly easy pace.

    Does cold weather impact hr? I am clutching at straws i know :o

    I'll be doing a 3rd long run at my new easy pace this weekend so interested to see now how it goes.


  • #415
    Baby75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,072 ✭✭✭Baby75


    ariana` wrote: »
    KG i noticed your nice low HR on Strava too and it got me looking at my own runs. Looking back at runs from last June, 3 consecutive weekends' long run

    Dist|Time|Avg HR
    15.0|1:33:xx|148
    15.0|1:31:xx|158
    14.0|1:30:xx|152


    And 2 recent long runs

    Dist|Time|Avg HR
    15.0|1:42:xx|165
    14.4|1:43:xx|162


    My HR seems to be significantly higher on the slower recent runs

    My watch is wrist based HR and while i hear they are not reliable, in my experience the trend tends to be mostly consistent, tougher runs/sessions = higher average hr, slower/shorter runs = lower average hr.

    So what does the above tell me?
    on paper it looks like I'm less aerobically fit than last June (at the time they were my longest runs ever!)

    The 2 recent long runs were the past 2 weekends and i'd done very little or no S&C in the days leading up to these runs and all other mid-week runs were at a similarly easy pace.

    Does cold weather impact hr? I am clutching at straws i know :o

    I'll be doing a 3rd long run at my new easy pace this weekend so interested to see now how it goes.

    interesting Ariana and I wonder if it is cold can affect heart rate, a quick google says it can but I think that is in very cold weather ice snow etc or maybe the lingering remains of your cold virus even though you feel better might be still upsetting things!


  • #416
    Keeks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,199 ✭✭✭Keeks


    Clean the contact area of the HR monitor....salt build up from sweat can affect readings


  • #417
    ariana`
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,301 ✭✭✭ariana`


    Baby75 wrote: »
    interesting Ariana and I wonder if it is cold can affect heart rate, a quick google says it can but I think that is in very cold weather ice snow etc or maybe the lingering remains of your cold virus even though you feel better might be still upsetting things!

    Ah yes, i had forgotten the 2 recent long runs were the weekends either side of having a head cold. Now it wasn't a particularly bad dose but still it may have been enough to inflate the HR readings a bit. And last Sunday was very cold, there was frost on the ground, my fingers were numb for the entire run even with cold weather running gloves on.

    Ok, i'll monitor it over the coming weeks.

    Thanks :)


  • #418
    Testosterscone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,414 ✭✭✭Testosterscone


    ariana` wrote: »
    Ah yes, i had forgotten the 2 recent long runs were the weekends either side of having a head cold. Now it wasn't a particularly bad dose but still it may have been enough to inflate the HR readings a bit. And last Sunday was very cold, there was frost on the ground, my fingers were numb for the entire run even with cold weather running gloves on.

    Ok, i'll monitor it over the coming weeks.

    Thanks :)

    Heart rate can be a good indicator when something is coming on even before any symptoms come on. Think of it as an early warning system.

    In terms of cold weather as well your body will be working harder to keep warm in colder weather which will elevate your heart rate coupled with the fact you will have more layers on.

    I wouldn't worry about that sort of fluctuation generally always find the winter running is harder effort for same paces (generally my paces naturally slow a little bit on easy runs as run by feel for the most part)

    While pace, heart rate etc are all great tools they should be seen as just that tools. They help rather than determine so each one can be used for feedback but ultimately you need to use them smartly if you feel overly tired don't run at a certain pace or HR just because the watch tells, learn from them so that you can be in tune with effort and can make the right judgment calls for you through experience


  • #419
    Kellygirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,022 ✭✭✭Kellygirl


    Funny, I just went back to compare mine too and it wasn’t too much lower than my long runs during the Summer - but I do have a head old at the moment as well. It’s interesting.


  • #420
    Kellygirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,022 ✭✭✭Kellygirl


    Just looking at the Dublin Marathon website - this year the waves are starting every 15 mins but they are assigning wave times based on your previous time or estimated if a first time runner. Wonder how that will work if somebody has done a significant amount of work during the year and intends shaving a big chunk off their pb.


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  • #421
    skyblue46
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,805 ✭✭✭skyblue46


    Kellygirl wrote: »
    Just looking at the Dublin Marathon website - this year the waves are starting every 15 mins but they are assigning wave times based on your previous time or estimated if a first time runner. Wonder how that will work if somebody has done a significant amount of work during the year and intends shaving a big chunk off their pb.

    Lie, lie and lie a bit more!!


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