Non-Nationals attacking Taxi drivers in West Dublin

Sand · 13-01-2018 10:38AM

Omackeral wrote: »

The OP is talking bollocks so. You absolutely can be black and Irish the same way you can be black and English or black and American or black and German or black and Swiss.

So you believe someone who is black and English should acknowledge and feel ashamed of what his people did to the Africans? If the circumstances are appropriate should he apologise to a white Zimbabwean on behalf of his people? Do you believe someone who is black and German should acknowledge and feel ashamed for what his people did to the Jews?

anewme · 13-01-2018 12:14PM

I lived in west Dublin years ago. The place was known for asylum seeker families; renting off EHB. One day I went out and gave out to a gang of black teenagers for whacking balls off the car. It was not intentional I should say but I ran them and told them play ball on the green. One came up and shook his fist in my face and said you are only saying that because we are black and then said “Black power” very threateningly.

They were skinny young teens at the time but I could see the likes of them now being the type to form gangs.

The large number of immigrant families in places like these have led to the formation of ghetto areas in some of the newer estates in areas such as the article mentions.

Bubbaclaus · 13-01-2018 12:34PM

anewme wrote: »

I lived in west Dublin years ago. The place was known for asylum seeker families; renting off EHB. One day I went out and gave out to a gang of black teenagers for whacking balls off the car. It was not intentional I should say but I ran them and told them play ball on the green. One came up and shook his fist in my face and said you are only saying that because we are black and then said “Black power” very threateningly.

They were skinny young teens at the time but I could see the likes of them now being the type to form gangs.

The large number of immigrant families in places like these have led to the formation of ghetto areas in some of the newer estates in areas such as the article mentions.

Why did you give out immediately if it wasn't intentional? You might find if you ask people politely you'll get a politer response.

Will I Am Not · 13-01-2018 12:38PM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Why did you give out immediately if it wasn't intentional? You might find if you ask people politely you'll get a politer response.

Amazing. If the colours were reversed and it was ‘white power’ that was said would you be going over the post looking for excuses? Not a f*cking hope!!!

Rory28 · 13-01-2018 12:46PM

The Fake Sheikh wrote: »

Amazing. If the colours were reversed and it was ‘white power’ that was said would you be going over the post looking for excuses? Not a f*cking hope!!!

Well to be fair they are not the same thing. Black power I always took to mean treat us the same where as white power means whites are better.

Teenagers will always act out against someone yelling at them regardless of colour.

anewme · 13-01-2018 12:48PM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Why did you give out immediately if it wasn't intentional? You might find if you ask people politely you'll get a politer response.

I had gone out out 3 times.... dont hit the car lads, blah blah....third attempt was narky enough. .

anewme · 13-01-2018 12:50PM

Rory28 wrote: »

Well to be fair they are not the same thing. Black power I always took to mean treat us the same where as white power means whites are better.

Teenagers will always act out against someone yelling at them regardless of colour.

I never mentioned race when I went out any time.

To say you are giving out because we are black is racist.

Shaking your fist into the face of a woman and saying black power in a threatening manner is racist.

Should they be allowed hit the cars because they are black.?

People excusing this type of behavior has led to the problem in the first place.

Wibbs · 13-01-2018 12:51PM

anewme wrote: »

The large number of immigrant families in places like these have led to the formation of ghetto areas in some of the newer estates in areas such as the article mentions.

And compared to places like the UK, France, Germany, Sweden, Ireland has a small percentage of new people here. Yet even at these low numbers people, as they naturally will, tend to group together in an area, often leading to a ghettoisation, doubly so if it's low income folks. With all the clearly observable and repeated throughout Europe problems this brings. To deny this is well...

And yet many well meaning folks continue to deny it's a potential issue, never mind a demonstrable one elsewhere. But no, let's sing kumbaya together, shout racism!! to any counter discussion and hope it'll be different this time. It won't. It could well be worse. Many of the same well meaning folks would be just as likely to acknowledge and point to how Travellers are treated by wider Irish society, yet think wider Irish society will magically not go a similar mindset regarding immigration?

Sand · 13-01-2018 12:55PM

Rory28 wrote: »

Well to be fair they are not the same thing. Black power I always took to mean treat us the same where as white power means whites are better.

They are the same thing. They're political slogans based on a racially identified group which excludes those outside that group. There's no genuine reason to elevate one above the other.

Rory28 · 13-01-2018 01:01PM

anewme wrote: »

I never mentioned race when I went out any time.

To say you are giving out because we are black is racist.

Shaking your fist into the face of a woman and saying black power in a threatening manner is racist.

Should they be allowed hit the cars because they are black.?

People excusing this type of behavior has led to the problem in the first place.

Obviously they were wrong. When asked to move they should have moved and threatening a woman outside her own house is a scummy move.

No they shouldnt be allowed to hit cars because they are black. Thats just stupid.

Will I Am Not · 13-01-2018 01:02PM

Rory28 wrote: »

Well to be fair they are not the same thing. Black power I always took to mean treat us the same where as white power means whites are better.

Teenagers will always act out against someone yelling at them regardless of colour.

They were racist scumbags and Bubbaclaus was victim blaming... but only because of their skin colour.

JohnMc1 · 13-01-2018 01:52PM

Thestones wrote: »

Totally agree with you, the writing is on the wall but so many people refuse to see it. As you say we have our own problems but why import more?

Because our Govt officials are making way too much money off this scam.

13-01-2018 01:55PM

Sand wrote: »

So you believe someone who is black and English should acknowledge and feel ashamed of what his people did to the Africans? If the circumstances are appropriate should he apologise to a white Zimbabwean on behalf of his people? Do you believe someone who is black and German should acknowledge and feel ashamed for what his people did to the Jews?

This was directed at me. Any post that starts with "So you believe...." and a barrage of loaded stuff after it never sits well with me. Where did I infer any of that? I think your post wprls on a lot of assumptions there. Why should anyone feel ashamed of events carried out by a government of yesteryear just because they were born in the same jurisdiction generations later? Should a fella born in Düsseldorf 20 years ago feel ashamed of what the Nazis did? Do I feel ashamed of the our State's actions with the Magdalene laundries and the church abuses. Not really, they were nothing to do with me.

weldoninhio · 13-01-2018 02:11PM

anewme wrote: »

The large number of immigrant families in places like these have led to the formation of ghetto areas in some of the newer estates in areas such as the article mentions.

No, no, no. Have you not been reading? That can’t/won’t happen in Ireland, because Ireland is magically “different” to every other country in Europe.

Sand · 13-01-2018 06:57PM

Omackeral wrote: »

This was directed at me.

Yes, that is what the quote function implies.

Any post that starts with "So you believe...." and a barrage of loaded stuff after it never sits well with me. Where did I infer any of that? I think your post wprls on a lot of assumptions there.

You said someone could be black and English. The English are a nation, not a state (such as the UK). 'A large body of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular state or territory' as the Oxford dictionary puts it.

I only assumed what you stated.

Why should anyone feel ashamed of events carried out by a government of yesteryear just because they were born in the same jurisdiction generations later?

If he feels no connection with the nation that the government represented, none at all. But then hes not part of that nation if he is not connected to it.

Should a fella born in Düsseldorf 20 years ago feel ashamed of what the Nazis did?

He shouldn't feel personal responsibility, but German people do feel guilt about what Grandpa got up to. Because they identify with the German nation. People who were just born in a city that happened to be in Germany but feel no connection to the German nation obviously don't feel that. Which is the point. They are not German in the sense that they feel a common descent, history, culture or language with the German people.

You must be bemused by why this woman feels any guilt, or why Germany to this day is loathe to criticise Israel .

Do I feel ashamed of the our State's actions with the Magdalene laundries and the church abuses. Not really, they were nothing to do with me.

Really, so the Magdalene Laundries were not an extension of your people's culture? Young women simply disappeared and your family never questioned or wondered where they went to? They knew. Maybe they even approved.

You don't need to feel personal responsibility. I don't. But as an Irish person I acknowledge and accept what the Irish people - including our ancestors - did ( or did not do) for those women. But maybe you think they are not owed any compensation.

13-01-2018 07:05PM

Yeah I'm not bothering going tit for tat with your multi-quoted, sarky and pedantic rebuttal. You win. Well done.

Sand · 13-01-2018 07:09PM

Omackeral wrote: »

Yeah I'm not bothering going tit for tat with your multi-quoted, sarky and pedantic rebuttal. You win. Well done.

You could just say, "Yeah, true. There's a little bit more to being of a nation than being born in the location of it". No need to be aggressive.

Brian? · 13-01-2018 08:05PM

Wibbs wrote: »

So avoiding my question entirely then? Yes we have existing social problems without adding the integration of new populations into the culture. That is quite clearly a different and new to Ireland social problem and other European countries consistently illustrate this and have done for decades. But you seem to imagine that somehow we'll magically avoid those problems?

What question? All I saw was the expected hand wringing about “social issues”.

Avoiding the problems of immigrants integrating into society will have nothing to do with magic. If it happens it will be because we learn from our neighbours. Deciding to generalise immigrants based on their skin time is part of the problem.

Brian? · 13-01-2018 08:08PM

Wibbs wrote: »

And compared to places like the UK, France, Germany, Sweden, Ireland has a small percentage of new people here. Yet even at these low numbers people, as they naturally will, tend to group together in an area, often leading to a ghettoisation, doubly so if it's low income folks. With all the clearly observable and repeated throughout Europe problems this brings. To deny this is well...

And yet many well meaning folks continue to deny it's a potential issue, never mind a demonstrable one elsewhere. But no, let's sing kumbaya together, shout racism!! to any counter discussion and hope it'll be different this time. It won't. It could well be worse. Many of the same well meaning folks would be just as likely to acknowledge and point to how Travellers are treated by wider Irish society, yet think wider Irish society will magically not go a similar mindset regarding immigration?

That’s some serious pontification. No one is denying there could be potential issues. People like you are part of the issue. Generalisation based on race is part of the problem. It leads to marginalisation and discrimination. Once ethnic minorities are marginalised you can then shout “I told you this wouldn’t work”. It’s exactly what happened in Britain and I can see it happening here.

Is this the singular cause of the social issues in Britains ghettos? No. Is it a contributing factor? Yes.

This narrow minded bull **** only makes things worse.

Dyr · 13-01-2018 08:42PM

Brian? wrote: »

Generalisation based on race is part of the problem. It leads to marginalisation and discrimination. Once ethnic minorities are marginalised you can then shout “I told you this wouldn’t work”. It’s exactly what happened in Britain and I can see it happening here.

I thought it was:

1)Importing a whole bunch of underskilled foreign types with very little cultural overlap with the natives

2)Dumping them in deprived areas.

3) Making zero effort to ensure their kids can (or will) integrate because you were too busy patting yourself on the back for just taking step 1) that caused marginalisation and discrimination

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe it's generalization... because that would explain why all them polish kids are behaving like little rascals as well.

Bubbaclaus · 13-01-2018 08:45PM

The Fake Sheikh wrote: »

They were racist scumbags and Bubbaclaus was victim blaming... but only because of their skin colour.

Excuse me?

gw80 · 13-01-2018 09:25PM

Brian? wrote: »

That’s some serious pontification. No one is denying there could be potential issues. People like you are part of the issue. Generalisation based on race is part of the problem. It leads to marginalisation and discrimination. Once ethnic minorities are marginalised you can then shout “I told you this wouldn’t work”. It’s exactly what happened in Britain and I can see it happening here.

Is this the singular cause of the social issues in Britains ghettos? No. Is it a contributing factor? Yes.

This narrow minded bull **** only makes things worse.

One contributing factor is they also willingly marginalize themselves, some will also not consider themselves Irish, believe it or not they might have a sense of pride of their ethnic roots, shocking!

Will I Am Not · 13-01-2018 09:32PM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Excuse me?

Someone from a group of black teens shook their hand in that woman’s face and said ‘black power’ after she tried to move them on.

Your response was that she should have been more polite and it might not have happened.

That’s the gist of it. The posts are there for all to see and I stand by what I said.

Brian? · 13-01-2018 09:40PM

Patriots For Ireland wrote: »

There are many good migrants here in Ireland who have come to better their lives & will benefit Ireland but there are many others who come here & think we are soft & they will get away with criminal activities. Whether people like it or not we have imported many uneducated, unskilled people who have turned to crime because its easier than actually working & those are the ones that should be deported

But we already deport immigrants who commit crimes. This thread isn’t about immigrants committing crimes though, it’s about Irish people who happen to be black committing crimes.

Dr Brown · 13-01-2018 10:00PM

Patriots For Ireland wrote: »

The only way to fix this country is to stop bringing anyone else into the country unless they already have a job. Deport anyone here illegally or committing crimes. Then work on fixing all the problems in Ireland HSE/crime etc. Once these are fixed you will see social issues being fixed.
Then & only then should we start bringing people in

They also need to review citizenship that was given out to all the bogus asylum seekers over the past 20 years.

pitifulgod · 13-01-2018 10:03PM

Dr Brown wrote: »

They also need to review citizenship that was given out to all the bogus asylum seekers over the past 20 years.

So now you're proposing rescinding citizenship? You're sounding pretty ridiculous....

Dr Brown · 13-01-2018 10:08PM

pitifulgod wrote: »

So now you're proposing rescinding citizenship? You're sounding pretty ridiculous....

Yes if they lied to the government to obtain Citizenship ie fraud.

Then it should be revoked.

I don't see anything controversial about that unless of course you support fraud ?

The_Kew_Tour · 13-01-2018 10:21PM

why are Sweden getting it so wrong?

they are having issues yet it's meant be one of best countries to live in.

so what can we do that Sweden cant?

anewme · 13-01-2018 10:22PM

The Fake Sheikh wrote: »

Someone from a group of black teens shook their hand in that woman’s face and said ‘black power’ after she tried to move them on.

Your response was that she should have been more polite and it might not have happened.

That’s the gist of it. The posts are there for all to see and I stand by what I said.

That’s pretty much the gist of it allright.

A woman living on her own goes out to tell teenagers to stop damaging her property for the third time to get racist abuse and a fist threatened in her face (the guy was trying to get right in my face staring me down) and the response is a very condescending...you might try being more polite in future.

ebbsy · 13-01-2018 10:25PM

Get to the Donald in to deal with those **** holes.

Non-Nationals attacking Taxi drivers in West Dublin

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