Dairy chit chat II

stanflt · 10-01-2018 09:50AM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Virtual mars bar if anyone can guess what this fella was at yesterday (other than stirring sh1t )

Ammonia testing

CowsInDaWest · 10-01-2018 10:16AM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Depends on lots of things but 500 kgms should be attenable .id concentrate on how much kgms u can produce off grass first
I produce circa 590 kg ms off 1.6 t last year with 32% heifers in herd

So you have around 400 euro to pay for con in comparison. It would have to be around 250 a ton
But you have also spent less on fertilliser per cow

mahoney_j · 10-01-2018 11:16AM

CowsInDaWest wrote: »

So you have around 400 euro to pay for con in comparison. It would have to be around 250 a ton
But you have also spent less on fertilliser per cow

I grass measure (more eyeball)don’t know how much grass I grow but I’d be right up there with top guys as I’ve good dry land with good indexes and ph .i use as much fertilizer as allowed and make best use I can of slurry and fym

alps · 10-01-2018 02:35PM

Why do commentators have to go back as far as 2009 to make it look as if we have had massive expansion since quotas went....in 2015...?

Why is the increase since the end of quotas never published?

boggerman1 · 10-01-2018 04:26PM

alps wrote: »

Why do commentators have to go back as far as 2009 to make it look as if we have had massive expansion since quotas went....in 2015...?

Why is the increase since the end of quotas never published?

It's a bit like when fianna failure were in power during the boom times.ireland was only created in 1997!.

thisyear · 10-01-2018 04:54PM

Lads, anybody got a heat detection system, moomonitor, heatime or any other ones. Pros and Cons?

Water John · 11-01-2018 02:57PM

For anyone interested in OAD. There is a Seminar in the Hose and Jockey, tomorrow Fri by Teagasc at 1.30pm. No need to book.

orm0nd · 11-01-2018 08:55PM

wonder that people are giving for pre calver mins.

got a few bags y/day and think I've been jocked

RedPeppers · 11-01-2018 09:05PM

orm0nd wrote: »

wonder that people are giving for pre calver mins.

got a few bags y/day and think I've been jocked

Been using calsea precalver blocks last few years find them good

kevthegaff · 11-01-2018 09:10PM

Haven't given any minerals this year, I'll pay for this...

GrasstoMilk · 11-01-2018 09:42PM

RedPeppers wrote: »

Been using calsea precalver blocks last few years find them good

Use them here too. Find them great as well. Cows barely looking at them the last while

whelan2 · 11-01-2018 09:43PM

kevthegaff wrote: »

Haven't given any minerals this year, I'll pay for this...

Did you use them last year? using calsea pre calver blocks here and iodine in the water

degetme · 11-01-2018 09:56PM

Using agritech dry cow elete at 32e a bag and flow mag in the water

kevthegaff · 11-01-2018 09:58PM

whelan2 wrote:

Did you use them last year? using calsea pre calver blocks here and iodine in the water

First in 10 yrs havent

C4d78 · 11-01-2018 11:02PM

Has anyone here used Biolaze protect(anti scour) ?
Powder mixed in with whole milk or powder and given to calves for 3 weeks.
Considering trying it as had bad doing from Crypro last year and would try anything that might lessen chances of scour?
Would like to know if it works thou before forking out €6-7 per calf..

jaymla627 · 11-01-2018 11:13PM

Reckon it's time the journal found a new "dairy specialist" that paper he presented at the positive farmers conference is like something Todd Hoffman who dream up

RedPeppers · 11-01-2018 11:20PM

C4d78 wrote: »

Has anyone here used Biolaze protect(anti scour) ?
Powder mixed in with whole milk or powder and given to calves for 3 weeks.
Considering trying it as had bad doing from Crypro last year and would try anything that might lessen chances of scour?
Would like to know if it works thou before forking out €6-7 per calf..

Using halocur here last few years and not one case of crypto since

White Clover · 11-01-2018 11:20PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

Reckon it's time the journal found a new "dairy specialist" that paper he presented at the positive farmers conference is like something Todd Hoffman who dream up

Have you a link? Ah Todd isn't that bad !!!!

jaymla627 · 11-01-2018 11:29PM

White Clover wrote: »

Have you a link? Ah Todd isn't that bad !!!!

Seen a few slides on the twitter machine, take home messages where 470 kgs ms cow produced at a stocking rate of 2.8/ha off grazed grass, 3-3.5 bales total a cow per year and 200kgs of meal, if you take two bales per cow to get them though when their dry, he reckons it's plausible to do 470kgs ms delivered off 1 to maybe 1.5 bales per cow and 200kgs of meal it's fantasy land stuff

awaywithyou · 11-01-2018 11:40PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

Seen a few slides on the twitter machine, take home messages where 470 kgs ms cow produced at a stocking rate of 2.8/ha off grazed grass, 3-3.5 bales total a cow per year and 200kgs of meal, if you take two bales per cow to get them though when their dry, he reckons it's plausible to do 470kgs ms delivered off 1 to maybe 1.5 bales per cow and 200kgs of meal it's fantasy land stuff

But sure lad we all know that... Those dairy '''specialists''' have no real experience of dairy farming.... They haven't a clue.... Their articles make for entertaining reading tho.... Comedy gold tbh

Water John · 11-01-2018 11:57PM

Well simply, a Fr cow needs 2/2.5 bales per month. So his cows are on grazing grass, as their bulk fodder for 10.5 months of the year???
Just to put some measure on it.

wrangler · 12-01-2018 12:08AM

jaymla627 wrote: »

Seen a few slides on the twitter machine, take home messages where 470 kgs ms cow produced at a stocking rate of 2.8/ha off grazed grass, 3-3.5 bales total a cow per year and 200kgs of meal, if you take two bales per cow to get them though when their dry, he reckons it's plausible to do 470kgs ms delivered off 1 to maybe 1.5 bales per cow and 200kgs of meal it's fantasy land stuff

And I relayed on to a dairy farmer what i'd be reading here and he rubbished it, so there's more than your way out there.
There was three working in his yard the day I was there and none were relief milkers

jaymla627 · 12-01-2018 12:14AM

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

How is it fantasy?
Stocked at 2.7 here and produced 500kgs ms this year and fed 850kgd (in winter milk here) Just because you can't do it with your cow doesn't mean it can't be done.
A crossbred animal won't eat as much as a pure Holstein thus why you can stock higher.

Ps I don't believe in minimal meal, we like to give them a bit all year

Your missing my point, for the entire lactation of the cow the diet is grazed grass 200 kgs of meal and 300 kgs/dm silage, I never mentioned anything about cross-bred cows have them here that's a non-issue, work out what silage and bought in feeds like maize/beet etc you've feed and get back to us....
At 2.7 is all silage/milkers feed produced on milking block cause that's what captain fantastic is alluding too

freedominacup · 12-01-2018 12:34AM

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

300 days at grass x 18 kgs = 5400 kgs
Minus 500 kgs = 4900
4900x 2.8 = 13.7 t/ha, equates to 15t grown. Plenty of ppl hitting that

I'm 2.7 over all.

Imported 120t of Maize, if I had my out farm reseeded I wouldn't need it, it's the missing link but owner isn't willing to let me reseed it.
Entire area farmed is spot on for ph and p and k.

You're still short 7-900kg dm at those figures. Not counting the maize you've imported. I don't think too many are hitting 90% utilisation either.

mahoney_j · 12-01-2018 01:08AM

orm0nd wrote: »

wonder that people are giving for pre calver mins.

got a few bags y/day and think I've been jocked

Off Arrabawn ???23 euro before Xmas 32 today ,something to do with big fire in basf plant in Germany

alps · 12-01-2018 01:20AM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Off Arrabawn ???23 euro before Xmas 32 today ,something to do with big fire in basf plant in Germany

Boardsies were warned about this right here at the beginning of December.....and some mocked and jeered.....

mahoney_j · 12-01-2018 01:22AM

alps wrote: »

Boardsies were warned about this right here at the beginning of December.....and some mocked and jeered.....

Your right ,I bought half what I need in December with intention of buying rest before Xmas .my own fault

alps · 12-01-2018 01:25AM

And further to that...

Vitamin E is at issue here.....the pack that was available for 45€ has gone to 4000€..if you can get it..

This will effect the likes of dry cow minerals considerably, but for the amount that is included in animal rations, it should only have little effect (5€ or so)......however

Got a text today from one of our supplier advising that all rations are to increase from 15th Jan....itbdidntbsay by how much...

The gouging is getting widespread....dairy farmers are seen to have made it good last year and are again ripe for picking...

orm0nd · 12-01-2018 08:44AM

degetme wrote: »

Using agritech dry cow elete at 32e a bag and flow mag in the water

That's the one. Bags are only 20 kgs and I think it was about 40e was reading on another site that some suppliers have dropped the levels and not telling customers need to keep checking the labels

degetme · 12-01-2018 08:50AM

orm0nd wrote: »

That's the one. Bags are only 20 kgs and I think it was about 40e was reading on another site that some suppliers have dropped the levels and not telling customers need to keep checking the labels

Agritech dry cow elite was always expensive. I bought all winter requirements early December on the back of advice here on a factory fire.

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