The Academies

Mr Shikadance wrote: »

Has anyone seen Fox play?

What club is he playing with?

awec wrote: »

irishfan9 wrote: »

Players through Leinster Academy since 2009:

Props:
[2009]Royce Burke-Flynn -- AIL
[2009]Jamie Hagan -- Béziers
[2009]Ruaidhri Murphy -- retired
[2010-2011]Stewart Maguire -- out of rugby
[2010]Jack McGrath -- Leinster
[2010-2012]Jack O'Connell -- Bristol
[2011-2012]Martin Moore -- Wasps
[2011-2013]Tadhg Furlong -- Leinster
[2012-2014]Edward Byrne -- Leinster
[2013-2015]Peter Dooley -- Leinster
[2015-2017]Oisin Heffernan -- Leinster
[2015-2017]Jeremy Loughman -- Munster
[2016]Andrew Porter -- Leinster
[2017]Vakh Abdaladze -- Leinster
[2017]Jack Aungier -- Leinster

Hookers:
[2009]Richie Sweeney -- out of rugby
[2009]Jason Harris Wright -- Bristol
[2009-2011]Tom Sexton -- AIL
[2011-2012]David Doyle -- retired due to injury
[2011-2013]James Tracy -- Leinster
[2012-2014]Brian Byrne -- Leinster
[2015-2017]Sean McNulty -- Leinster
[2017]Ronan Kelleher -- Leinster

Second Row:
[2008-2010]Eoin Sherriff -- retired due to injury
[2008-2009]Conor McInerney -- retired due to injury
[2010-2012]Mark Flanagan -- Saracens
[2010-2012]Ciaran Ruddock -- AIL
[2010-2012]Ben Marshall -- retired due to injury
[2012-2014]Gavin Thornbury -- Connacht
[2012-2014]Tadhg Beirne -- Scarlets
[2013-2014]Ross Molony -- Leinster
[2015-2016]David O'Connor -- AIL
[2016]James Ryan -- Leinster
[2017]Oisin Dowling -- Leinster

Backrow:
[2008-2010]Paul Ryan -- retired due to injury
[2010]Rhys Ruddock -- Leinster
[2010-2011]Dominic Ryan -- Leicester
[2010-2012]Jordi Murphy -- Leinster
[2011-2013]Conor Gilsenan -- London Irish
[2011-2014]Jordan Coghlan -- Nottingham
[2012-2013]Jack Conan -- Leinster
[2012-2014]Josh Van Der Flier -- Leinster
[2012-2014]Dan Leavy -- Leinster
[2014-2016]Peadar Timmins -- Leinster
[2015-2017]Josh Murphy -- Leinster
[2016]Max Deegan -- Leinster
[2016-2017]Will Connors -- Leinster
[2017]Caelan Doris -- Leinster

Scrumhalf:
[2008-2009]Paul O'Donohoe -- retired due to injury
[2008-2009]David Moore -- out of rugby
[2010-2012]John Cooney -- Ulster
[2011-2013]Luke McGrath -- Leinster
[2014-2016]Nick McCarthy -- Leinster
[2015-2017]Charlie Rock -- Leinster
[2017]Hugh O'Sullivan -- Leinster

Outhalf:
[2009-2011]Ian McKinley -- Treviso
[2009]James Power -- out of rugby
[2010-2011]Ian Madigan -- Bristol
[2012-2014]Cathal Marsh -- Leinster
[2014-2016]Ross Byrne -- Leinster
[2015-2016]Joey Carbery -- Leinster

Centre:
[2009-2010]Kyle Tonetti -- retired due to injury
[2009-2012]Eamonn Sheridan -- Oyonnax
[2009]Gary Foley -- out of rugby
[2010]Brendan Macken -- Wasps
[2010-2012]Noel Reid -- Leinster
[2011-2013]Colm O'Shea -- retired due to injury
[2013-2016]Steve Crosbie -- Connacht
[2013-2016]Thomas Daly -- Leinster
[2013-2016]Tom Farrell -- Connacht
[2014-2015]Garry Ringrose -- Leinster
[2014-2016]Rory O'Loughlin -- Leinster
[2014-2016]Harrison Brewer -- AIL
[2016-2017]Conor O'Brien -- Leinster
[2016-2017]Jimmy O'Brien -- Leinster
[2017]Gavin Mullin -- Leinster

Back 3:
[2009]Cian Aherne -- out of rugby
[2009-2010]David Kearney -- Leinster
[2009-2010]Niall Morris -- retired due to injury
[2009]Felix Jones -- retired due to injury
[2010]Andrew Conway -- Munster
[2010]Shane Monahan -- out of rugby
[2010-2011]Michael Keating -- retired
[2010-2012]Darren Hudson -- AIL
[2010-2013]Sam Coghlan Murray -- AIL
[2011-2013]Andrew Boyle -- out of rugby
[2011-2012]Michael Sherlock -- AIL
[2013-2015]Adam Byrne -- Leinster
[2013-2015]Billy Dardis -- AIL
[2014-2017]Ian Fitzpatrick -- Leinster
[2014-2015]Cian Kelleher -- Connacht
[2016]Jack Power - Munster
[2016-2017]Terry Kennedy -- Leinster
[2016-2017]Hugo Kennan -- Leinster
[2016-2017]Jack Kelly -- Leinster
[2016-2017]Jordan Larmour -- Leinster
[2017]Tommy O'Brien -- Leinster
[2017]Ciaran Frawley -- Leinster

So of all of Leinster's academy graduates (95), as of right now:

Still playing for Leinster = 48
Retired (willingly or not) = 20
Playing AIL = 9
Playing in England = 8
Playing for Connacht = 3
Playing in France = 2
Playing for Pro14 teams = 2
Playing for Munster = 2
Playing for Ulster = 1

So Leinster's retention rate is pretty much 50%.

irishfan9 wrote: »

Leinster's academy next season?

Graduating:
Oisin Heffernan(Terenure/Prop)
Jeremy Loughman(UCD/Prop)
Sean McNulty(UCD/Hooker)
Josh Murphy(UCD/Backrow)
Charlie Rock(Lansdowne/Scrumhalf)
Ian Fitzpatrick(Lansdowne/Wing)

Graduating early:
Jordan Larmour(St. Marys/Back Three)
Caelan Doris(St. Marys/Backrow)

Prop
Vakh Abdaladze(Clontarf/Year 2)
Jack Aungier(St. Marys/Year 2)

Both are primarily TH Props, Joe Byrne(DUFC) and Jordan Duggan(Naas) should both play at under-20 level for Ireland and could push for an academy place although right now i'd say both are unlikely to get one. Several prospects at u19 level; Niall McEniff(St. Marys), Daragh Bolger(Clontarf) and Michael Milne(Roscrea) but too early for any of them to join academy next season IMO.

Hooker
Ronan Kelleher(Lansdowne/Year 2)

Big need for talent at this position, Eoghan Clarke(Wanderers) is at under-20 level and may earn an academy place this season, hard to predict now. Richie Bergin(UCD) looks a good prospect at under-19 but probably too early for him to join academy also. No obvious candidate to join straight from school, maybe Ethan Baxter(Gerards) but very unlikely as he is an u18.

Lock
Oisin Dowling(Lansdowne/Year 2)

A lot of talent in this position, Jack Dunne(DUFC) and Cormac Daly(Clontarf) should both feature heavily for Ireland u20 and look set for academy places assuming they continue to perform to the level they have showed to date. Below that under-19 Charlie Ryan(UCD) needs to stay healthy this season and under-18 Ryan Baird(Michaels) will probably spend a year in the sub academy.

Openside
Will Connors(UCD/Year 3)

Two players in the academy at this position, both playing for DUFC; Max Kearney and Richard Dunne. Dunne is a regular in 1A while Kearney hasn't played AIL yet. Kearney appears to be ahead for Ireland u20. Dunne has also played Leinster A. Not to mention Scott Penny(Michaels) who is very highly rated. Unsure what will happen here as of now.

Blindside/Number 8

With Doris expected to graduate early, there is no obvious candidate to join the academy to replace him. JJ O'Dea(Old Wesley), Ronan Foley(UCD) and Cian Reilly(UCD) could push for an academy places with big seasons, but looks unlikely as of now. As does adding a backrow straight from school, the prime candidate for that would be Dan O'Donovan(Michaels).

Scrumhalf
Hugh O'Sullivan(Clontarf/Year 2)

Another need position, Patrick Patterson(UCD) is in the sub academy and looks the most likely player at the moment to join academy. James Kenny(Lansdowne) hasn't played this season due to injury. In school, Cormac Foley(Gerards) is playing centre at the moment and will spend a season in the sub academy next season IMO.

Outhalf

A very complex situation with u20 Conor Dean(St. Marys), u19 Harry Byrne(UCD) and schools star David Hawkshaw(Belvedere). It's unclear if Leinster views Hawkshaw as a 10 long term, if they do then I can't see all three joining the leinster academy. Right now I could see Dean potentially losing out but it's very early.

Centres
Conor O'Brien(Clontarf/Year 3)
Jimmy O'Brien(UCD/Year 3)
Gavin Mullin(UCD/Year 2)

Assuming Conor O'Brien doesn't join the senior squad early, this looks likely to be the centre grouping in the academy next season. Sean O'Brien(Clontarf) is the obvious candidate in the sub academy for an academy position at the moment I'd say he is on the outside looking in for an academy position. In schools the obvious candidate is David Ryan(Michaels) but don't see him joining straight out of school.

Back Three
Hugo Keenan(UCD/Year 3)
Terry Kennedy(St. Marys/Year 3)

Two players who have focused on 7's this season, I could see one being released early - most likely Kennedy. In the sub academy Michael Silvester(DUFC) looks very likely to get an academy position, beyond that maybe Peter Sullivan(Lansdowne) or Tom Roche(Lansdowne) could push for a place but looks unlikely at this point. In schools Liam Turner(Blackrock) is unlikely to join straight from school at this point.

Outside Backs
Jack Kelly(DUFC/Year 3)
Tommy O'Brien(UCD/Year 2)
Ciaran Frawley(UCD/Year 2)

A grouping of players who have played multiple positions either centre, wing or fullback. David Hawkshaw could join this group if Leinster don't view him as a long term 10.

irishfan9 wrote: »

yeah.. Loughman I thought might have but since he has moved to munster id say its unlikely.

Rock could, cant see Heffernan, McNulty or Fitzpatrick getting dev deals at this stage.

D14Rugby wrote: »

Any idea who?

See your point on the dev contracts but i think they might keep the likes of Heffernan and Rock around next year on dev deals as just in case backups.

irishfan9 wrote: »

Several players released from Leinster Sub academy after christmas.

stellenbosch wrote: »

Roche Lansdowne i believe 2

stellenbosch wrote: »

He was- have it on good authority

Stephen Hawkins football boots wrote: »

What page please?

irishfan9 wrote: »

Props
Liam O'Connor (Year 3) - graduating to senior.
Rob O'Donovan (Year 1)
Joey Conway (Year 1)
Kenyan Knox(Year 1)

Hookers
Vincent O'Brien (Year 2)

Locks
Sean O'Connor (Year 2)
Fineen Wycherley (Year 2) - graduating to senior.

Backrow
Gavin Coombes (Year 2)
John Foley (Year 2)
Jack O'Sullivan (Year 1)

9s
Jack Stafford (Year 1)
Craig Casey (Year 1)

10s
Conor Fitzgerald (Year 1)
Alan Tynan (Year 1)

Centres
Shane Daly (Year 2)
Alex McHenry (Year 1)
Matt Moore (Year 1)

Back Threes
Calvin Nash (Year 2) - graduating to senior.
Liam Coombes (Year 1)
Daniel Hurley (Year 1)
Jack Power (Year 1)
James McCarthy (Year 1)