The Academies

irishfan9

RugbyUA wrote: »

Would think it's safe to say that's rubbish about Duggan. He is a physical specimen plus he featured heavily in the JWC last year. He'll surely be in pole position to start at loosehead this year too with a good shot at academy. No way would he be released from sub academy

dunno if he featured heavily but he featured.. would be a surprise if he did get released.. but not very surprising if its true

MDunne14

MDunne14 wrote: »

Would expect to see Niall Murray , Cian huxford and Callum torpey in connachts academy this year along with a few rejects from Leinster/Munster

Am told Sean Hudson (Bandon grammar) is also in connacht sub academy , can anyone confirm?

Tarf1234

irishfan9 wrote: »

Tarf1234 wrote: »

I'd love to see him make it personally. Think he offers something really different too what is in there or around.

care to expand?

Just think he offers that traditional 7 role which I don't think is there. One of the smartest players you'll find as well

irishfan9

Tarf1234 wrote: »

Just think he offers that traditional 7 role which I don't think is there. One of the smartest players you'll find as well

Yeah i'd offer him an academy deal, if it were upto me.. he seems to have beaten out Dunne anyway.. interested to see how he does at irish u20 level..

Scott Penny would appear to be his biggest competition.

Tarf1234

irishfan9 wrote: »

Yeah i'd offer him an academy deal, if it were upto me.. he seems to have beaten out Dunne anyway.. interested to see how he does at irish u20 level..

Scott Penny would appear to be his biggest competition.

Ye, I think he's worth the contract. Do you think Penny will get one straight out of  school or do a  year in Sub Academy? They've never seemed to be afraid to take on extra backrows.

RugbyRugby2016

Tarf1234 wrote: »

irishfan9 wrote: »

Yeah i'd offer him an academy deal, if it were upto me.. he seems to have beaten out Dunne anyway.. interested to see how he does at irish u20 level..

Scott Penny would appear to be his biggest competition.

Ye, I think he's worth the contract. Do you think Penny will get one straight out of  school or do a  year in Sub Academy? They've never seemed to be afraid to take on extra backrows.

I’d be surprised if they took Penny straight from school considering the likes of Ryan and Doris had to do one year in the sub academy

irishfan9

Tarf1234 wrote: »

Ye, I think he's worth the contract. Do you think Penny will get one straight out of  school or do a  year in Sub Academy? They've never seemed to be afraid to take on extra backrows.

No the last backrow to get one straight out of school was leavy, so can't see that happening.

There will only be 1 backrow(Connors) in the academy next season at the moment, with Murphy & Doris expected to join the senior squad.

Pretty hard to predict what they will do, if Kearney stands out for the 20's I think they'll offer him a spot, if he doesn't he won't would be how I see it going.

Ronan Foley appears to be the other backrow in with a chance of an academy place as a 6/8.

irishfan9

RugbyRugby2016 wrote: »

I’d be surprised if they took Penny straight from school considering the likes of Ryan and Doris had to do one year in the sub academy

Yeah, unless there is a 3rd party trying to poach him.. they added Larmour/Kelly straight from school last season and O'Sullivan/Aungier this season.

Maybe next season they'll add two more.. would be surprised if either was a backrow...

suppose it will come down to performances over the next two months..

irishfan9

photos of ireland u18 trial game:

http://www.gpfoto.ie/p398366569

MDunne14

irishfan9 wrote: »

photos of ireland u18 trial game:

http://www.gpfoto.ie/p398366569

Could you do a report on the players involved and surprising ommisons when you’ve got time

irishfan9

MDunne14 wrote: »

Could you do a report on the players involved and surprising ommisons when you’ve got time

Some players spotted:

Grey 1: John McKee(Campbell/Prop)
Grey 3: Thomas Clarkson(Blackrock/Prop)
Grey 17: Patrick Harris(Exile/Prop)
Grey 18: Charlie Ward(Tullow RFC/Prop)
Black 1: Marcus Hanan(Clane/Prop)
Black 3: Mark Donnelly(CBC/Prop)
Black 17: Ben Crangle(Prop/Methody)
Black 18: Liam Winnet(Prop)

Grey 2: Tom Stewart(BRA/Hooker)
Grey 16: Bryn Davies(Rainey/Hooker)
Black 2: Paidi McCarthy(Bantry/Hooker)
Mark Nicholson(Wicklow/Hooker)

Grey 4: Thomas Ahern(Dungarvan RFC/2nd Row)
Grey 5: Cian Prendergast(Newbridge/2nd Row)
Grey 19: Ulster
Black 4: Conor McMeniman(Letterkenny RFC/2nd Row)
Black 5: Iarlaith Laheen-Morrin(Galwegians RFC/2nd Row)
Black: Max Mellet(Castleknock/2nd Row)

Grey 7: Anthony Ryan(Clongowes/Backrow)
Grey 6: Alex Kendellan(PBC/Backrow)
Grey 8: David McCann(RBAI/Backrow)
Black 6: Chris Moore(Exile/Backrow)
Black 7: Ed Brennan(Blackrock/Backrow)
Black 8: Joshua Dunne(Exile/Backrow)
Jack Cooke(Terenure/Backrow)

Grey 9: Nathan Doak(Wallace/Scrumhalf)
Black 9: Shane Murphy(Skerries/Scrumhalf)
Ben Murphy(Pres Bray/Scrumhalf)
Charlie O’Doherty(Newcastle West/Scrumhalf)

Michael Cooke (Exile/Outhalf)
Paddy McKenzie(Wicklow/Outhalf)
Black 10: Dylan Prendergast(Westport/Outhalf)
Ben Daly(Waterpark RFC/Outhalf)

Grey 11: Aaron Sexton(Bangor/Outside Back)
Grey 12: Angus Adair (RBAI/Centre)
Grey 13: Karl Martin(Boyne/Outside Back)
Grey 14: Tom Maher(Blackrock/Outside Back)
Grey 15: Sam Dardis(Terenure/Outside Back)
Grey bench: Oran McNulty(Exile/Outside Back)
Grey bench: Ben O'Shea(Clongowes/Outside Back)

Mick O'Gara(Pres Bray/Centre)
Johnny Maher(Clongowes/Outside Back)
Chris Cosgrave(St. Michaels/Outside Back)
Andrew Smith(St. Michaels/Outside Back)
Saul O'Carroll(Outside Back)

Black 12: Joe Henry (Exile/Outside Back)
Black 13: Hayden Hyde(Exile/Outside Back)
Black 15: Jack Hunt(Rockwell/Outside Back)

Ayewserious

irishfan9 wrote: »

Some players spotted:

John McKee(Campbell/Prop)
Thomas Clarkson(Blackrock/Prop)
Charlie Ward(Tullow RFC/Prop)
Patrick Harris(Exile/Prop)
Marcus Hanan(Clane/Prop)

Bobby Sheehan(Clongowes/Hooker)
Mark Nicholson(Wicklow/Hooker)

Thomas Ahern(Dungarvan RFC/2nd Row)
Cian Prendergast(Newbridge/2nd Row)
Darragh Murray(Buccaneers RFC/2nd Row)
Conor McMeniman(Letterkenny RFC/2nd Row)
Iarlaith Laheen-Morrin(Galwegians RFC/2nd Row)

Anthony Ryan(Clongowes/Backrow)
Ed Brennan(Blackrock/Backrow)
David McCann(RBAI/Backrow)
Chris Moore(Exile/Backrow)
Joshua Dunne(Exile/Backrow)
Alex Kendellan(PBC/Backrow)

Nathan Doak(Wallace/Scrumhalf)
Shane Murphy(Skerries/Scrumhalf)

Michael Cooke (Exile/Outhalf)
Paddy McKenzie(Wicklow/Outhalf)

Joe Henry (Exile/Centre)
Karl Martin(Boyne/Centre)

Hayden Hyde(Exile/Wing)
Aaron Sexton(Bangor/Wing)
Tom Maher(Blackrock/Wing)
Andrew Smith(St. Michaels/Wing)
Sam Dardis(Terenure/Fullback)
Chris Cosgrave(St. Michaels/Fullback)
Oran McNulty(Exile/Fullback)

Ben o shea Johnny maher and mick o' Gara also involved

irishfan9

Ayewserious wrote: »

Ben o shea Johnny maher and mick o' Gara also involved

are they in the pictures?

MDunne14

Ayewserious wrote: »

Ben o shea Johnny maher and mick o' Gara also involved

Dylan Prendergast (out half)
Saul ocarroll (wing)
Liam winnet (th)
All connacht

Ayewserious

irishfan9 wrote: »

are they in the pictures?

Yes and jack cooke ( ternure)

irishfan9

Ayewserious wrote: »

Yes and jack cooke ( ternure)

Max Mellet(Castleknock) there too.

I'd say that's all the leinster lads covered so.

not sure if there are any notable absentee's.

irishfan9

The props leinster rugby is producing at the moment is ridiculous:

Jack Aungier(Under-20)
Joe Byrne(Under-20)
Jordan Duggan(Under-20)
Michael Milne(Under-19)
Niall McEniff(Under-19)
Daragh Bolger(Under-19)
Thomas Clarkson(Under-18)

Hands Like Flippers

ANGUS ADAIR (RBAI) centre

TOM (BRA) HOOKER

Hands Like Flippers

Ben crangle methody prop

irishfan9

5 players from the 1998 Leinster Age Group have full academy offers from Leinster:
Ronan Kelleher(Hooker/St. Michaels)
Jack Aungier(TH Prop/Suttonians RFC)
Caelan Doris(Backrow/Blackrock College)
Hugh O'Sullivan(Scrumhalf/Belvedere College)
Tommy O'Brien(Outside Back/Blackrock College)

Another is in Connachts academy:
Sean Masterson(Backrow/Portlaoise RFC)

Remaining top prosects from 1998 age group:

Joe Byrne(TH Prop/Blackrock College)
Jordan Duggan(LH Prop/Newbridge College)

Eoghan Clarke(Hooker/CBC Monkstown)
Dan Sheehan(Hooker/Clongowes Wood College)

Jack Dunne(Second Row/St. Michaels College)
Cormac Daly(Second Row/North Kildare RFC)
JJ O'Dea(Second Row/Navan RFC)

Ronan Foley(Backrow/St. Marys College)
Cian Reilly(Backrow/Blackrock College)
Richard Dunne(Openside/Blackrock College)
Max Kearney(Openside/Belvedere College)

Patrick Patterson(Scrumhalf/Blackrock College)
James Kenny(Scrumhalf/Gonzaga College)

Conor Dean(Outhalf/Blackrock College)

Sean O'Brien(Centre/Mullingar RFC)
James Moriarty(Centre/Blackrock College)
Myles Carey(Centre/St. Marys College)

Michael Silvester(Back Three/Clongowes Wood College)
Peter Sullivan(Back Three/St. Andrews College)
Tom Roche(Back Three/Blackrock College)
Peter Maher(Back Three/Belvedere College)

Tarf1234

When you look at the original club/school there it is great to see such a good spread. Particularly when one or 2 of the schools guys could be claimed to a certain extent by clubs not already on the list e.g. Max and Tarf/Jordan Duggan and Naas.

irishfan9

Leinster Hookers to watch

Under-20
Ronan Kelleher(St. Michaels College)
Eoghan Clarke(CBC Monkstown)
Dan Sheehan(Clongowes Wood College)
Under-19
Richie Bergin(St. Marys College)
Declan Adamson(Clontarf RFC)
Sean Molony(Blackrock College)
Under-18
Ethan Baxter(St. Gerards College)
Mark Nicholson(Wicklow RFC)
Barry Ryan(Wexford RFC)

D14Rugby

irishfan9 wrote: »

Joe Byrne(TH Prop/Blackrock College)
Jordan Duggan(LH Prop/Newbridge College)

Eoghan Clarke(Hooker/CBC Monkstown)
Dan Sheehan(Hooker/Clongowes Wood College)

Jack Dunne(Second Row/St. Michaels College)
Cormac Daly(Second Row/North Kildare RFC)
JJ O'Dea(Second Row/Navan RFC)

Ronan Foley(Backrow/St. Marys College)
Cian Reilly(Backrow/Blackrock College)
Richard Dunne(Openside/Blackrock College)
Max Kearney(Openside/Belvedere College)

Patrick Patterson(Scrumhalf/Blackrock College)
James Kenny(Scrumhalf/Gonzaga College)

Conor Dean(Outhalf/Blackrock College)

Sean O'Brien(Centre/Mullingar RFC)
James Moriarty(Centre/Blackrock College)
Myles Carey(Centre/St. Marys College)

Michael Silvester(Back Three/Clongowes Wood College)
Peter Sullivan(Back Three/St. Andrews College)
Tom Roche(Back Three/Blackrock College)
Peter Maher(Back Three/Belvedere College)

Very competitive group going for what 5 places in leinster? Centre probably the weakest position there which says a lot considering they're 3 good players. Probably see a good few players there end up in the other provinces next year.

Tarf1234

If it is limited to 5 more my best guess at who will get in would be Silvester, SOB/Dean, Paddy Paterson and 2 of Cormac/Jack Dunne/Max/Clarke.

irishfan9

its not limited to 5.

at least 7 places by my count.

D14Rugby

irishfan9 wrote: »

its not limited to 5.

at least 7 places by my count.

I was saying 5 from them based off 7-an u19 already out of school and - 1 straight from school,but the number is never set in stone so could be 4 could be 10, down to the academy. The numbers were an obvious exaggeration by the way

irishfan9

interested to see if they take both Dunne and Daly or just 1 second row..

D14Rugby

irishfan9 wrote: »

interested to see if they take both Dunne and Daly or just 1 second row..

Yeah, especially with baird coming out of school next year. JJ is an interesting option too, doing very well in 1B and can cover backrow too

irishfan9

Jack Dunne, Cormac Daly, Charlie Ryan and Ryan Baird all look like potential academy 2nd rows..

can't see JJ O'Dea pushing for a place this year ahead of Dunne or Daly.

Aaron Browne a high profile u20 second row who seems to have given up the game after injuries.

MDunne14

irishfan9 wrote: »

Jack Dunne, Cormac Daly, Charlie Ryan and Ryan Baird all look like potential academy 2nd rows..

can't see JJ O'Dea pushing for a place this year ahead of Dunne or Daly.

Aaron Browne a high profile u20 second row who seems to have given up the game after injuries.

Would rate Baird ahead of Dunne based on sct but haven’t seen Dunne play ail or for ireland