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Breaking: At least 1 man dead after stabbing rampage in Dundalk

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    Grayson wrote: »
    how about option three?

    3) He's a cnut.

    Couldn't agree more.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,111 ✭✭✭✭RasTa


    He writes for the Sun, that's all I need to know.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    that would mean britain having to pay for the staff to enforce the border. that's hardly likely now is it?

    Which border? The one between NI and ROI or the actual border of GB?

    Surely if they pull out of Europe they'll have a stringent border control for GB? I wouldn't be too sure what the situation will be between NI and ROI though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,989 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    mfceiling wrote: »
    Surely if they pull out of Europe they'll have a stringent border control for GB? I wouldn't be too sure what the situation will be between NI and ROI though.
    Considering the money and resources the UK puts into defending their border from all those massing around the Calais area to get in, I would be more concerned about Rosslare being the weak point of Ireland's borders.
    OK it was Dundalk this time, but next time it could be somewhere in Wexford.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭Irishmale0399


    Is there any particular reason you dont accept the Gardai summation on this, you know, the people who interviewed him?

    How can you believe a word the Gardai say about this.

    1. They claim they have his name and age, however cant confirm his nationality infornt of a judge in court. Now how did they confirm his name and age if they have no official document to confirm it??? Documents needed for this would be a passport or birth certificate...which they clearly havent got....so basically he told them his name and age and they believe him.

    2. Why did the Gardai instruct for the removal of a facebook profile and pictures that were claimed to be the attacker by an Irish facebook page??? The pictures and profile where shared with political parties, news papers, action groups and Gardai.....none of them have mentioned it.

    3. Why havent they made a statement to the squat he was staying in and what they removed from it soon after his arrest (kill off news paper speculation) ??? A house which is not lived in but looked after, lights go on and off in the evening, gardens are in ok condition and some neighbours were suprised that it wasnt lived in. How did Morei know this house was not lived in and that he could use it. It is not in the center of town and he would have to go off the beaten track to find it, watch it and break in. That all in 2-3 days???

    4. Why havent they followed suit with other EU countries and said it like it is??? Belgiums, Germans, Swedish, French, Spanish......they all keep their citizens updated in such cases, maybe not the info people want but info is released as soon as something new of public interest is known. However Ireland which has a streched police/military are keeping shut and saying he is to get a fair trial(whenever that is or if he doesnt commit suicide before).....One question the the Garda commisioner should maybe answer....how many extra Gardai would be needed if it was a terror attack and how would they secure the border and Irish citizens???

    Somehow I have a feeling that the Gardai and co dont want it to be a terror attack. Would bring too many problems and complications with it. Better if it is a young man who was mixed up....could have been anyone.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,539 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    How can you believe a word the Gardai say about this.

    .

    Because they're following the usual procedure followed in this country.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭Will I Am Not


    He has an account here. What way does that work in regard to calling him a c*nt and a far right fruit loop etc?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,989 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    Somehow I have a feeling that the Gardai and co dont want it to be a terror attack.
    Especially as they encountered him a day or two before the attack, discovered he was an illegal immigrant, but instead of detaining him they advised him to head for Dublin.

    Its just as well he didn't get there, because there might have been a lot more fatalities in a big crowd compared to the sparse number of victims he caught in the actual attack.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭Irishmale0399


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Because they're following the usual procedure followed in this country.

    Get away out of that...there is a feud going on in Dublin between 2 families and you can read about it and its targets on a daily/weekly basis in the press. Funny how the press know exactly who has been informed that their lives are at risk and who the Gardai are speaking too/monitoring. The Gardai speak when it suits them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭Irishmale0399


    He has an account here. What way does that work in regard to calling him a c*nt and a far right fruit loop etc?

    Sure arent we all that if we dont have the same opinion as a certain group???


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭Irishmale0399


    recedite wrote: »
    Especially as they encountered him a day or two before the attack, discovered he was an illegal immigrant, but instead of detaining him they advised him to head for Dublin.

    Its just as well he didn't get there, because there might have been a lot more fatalities in a big crowd compared to the sparse number of victims he caught in the actual attack.

    You mean its lucky he didnt get into Dundalks town center....;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    He has an account here. What way does that work in regard to calling him a c*nt and a far right fruit loop etc?

    It doesn't change a thing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,507 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    recedite wrote: »
    Especially as they encountered him a day or two before the attack, discovered he was an illegal immigrant, but instead of detaining him they advised him to head for Dublin.

    Its just as well he didn't get there, because there might have been a lot more fatalities in a big crowd compared to the sparse number of victims he caught in the actual attack.

    This is one reason I think he was deranged rather than a terrorist. He attacked in a quiet area of town. He could have gone to the Marshes shopping centre and injured or killed dozens of people. If his aim was to take as many people with him as possible he would have seen from squatting on the Avenue Road that it was not the place to do it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,123 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    Grayson wrote: »
    how about option three?

    3) He's a cnut.

    Reported abuse of an active boards.ie member


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,123 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    Odhinn wrote: »
    He's an arrogant far right fruit loop - a nobody really. He thinks israel is some bulwark against an islamic invasion - mad stuff.

    Reported your post abuse of active boards member!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭Irishmale0399


    This is one reason I think he was deranged rather than a terrorist. He attacked in a quiet area of town. He could have gone to the Marshes shopping centre and injured or killed dozens of people. If his aim was to take as many people with him as possible he would have seen from squatting on the Avenue Road that it was not the place to do it.

    Of course he was deranged. Who takes 2-3 knives out with them with the intention of killing or injuring someone....also pyschologically instable.

    As I have already said...there are a lot of questions open, the biggest one being how did he know the house was empty??

    Maybe he believed he could get into town unnoticed to continue...
    Maybe he was trying to spread the Garda resources...in the hope of getting further
    I have heard he tried flagging down a taxi after the second attack. Taxi drivers speaking openly about it.
    Maybe he was sure he would be hit by armed cops quicker if he wasnt in the town center.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,608 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    recedite wrote: »
    Especially as they encountered him a day or two before the attack, discovered he was an illegal immigrant, but instead of detaining him they advised him to head for Dublin.

    Its just as well he didn't get there, because there might have been a lot more fatalities in a big crowd compared to the sparse number of victims he caught in the actual attack.
    this is what the ST says via their garda sources
    He was taken to the Irish Naturalisation and Immigration Service (INIS) in Dublin after indicating that he wished to apply for asylum, and was offered temporary accommodation in a direct provision centre.
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/eu-inquiry-on-identity-of-stabbing-suspect-kf0zddxzb


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭Irishmale0399


    this is what the ST says

    He was taken to the Irish Naturalisation and Immigration Service (INIS) in Dublin after indicating that he wished to apply for asylum, and was offered temporary accommodation in a direct provision centre.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/eu-inquiry-on-identity-of-stabbing-suspect-kf0zddxzb

    If thats the case then
    1. He was no longer an illegal in Ireland. He was known to the INIS and would have been seen as an asylum seeker (in process). Only upon the end of the process could they have asked/forced him to leave.

    2. Did he present himself in Dublin and if so when and when did he return to Dundalk

    3. Where did he get the money to do the travelling to and from. What was he living from?

    4. Did he have support??? Someone helping him move around, someone tell him where he could stay???


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,123 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    Thought it was only the "leftist snowflakes" who got offended over nothing?

    Why? you lefties as you call yourself pretty quick to hit the report button on other members Mark has contributed to a number of threads on here and should have the same rights applied as all other posters on here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,507 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Of course he was deranged. Who takes 2-3 knives out with them with the intention of killing or injuring someone....also pyschologically instable.

    As I have already said...there are a lot of questions open, the biggest one being how did he know the house was empty??

    Maybe he believed he could get into town unnoticed to continue...
    Maybe he was trying to spread the Garda resources...in the hope of getting further
    I have heard he tried flagging down a taxi after the second attack. Taxi drivers speaking openly about it.
    Maybe he was sure he would be hit by armed cops quicker if he wasnt in the town center.....

    I was differentiating from a terrorist. It appears to me that he was really screwed up in the head rather than a terrorist.

    While I know the area I’m not sure which house it was. There are a number of vacant properties on that road that are obvious looking.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,111 ✭✭✭✭RasTa


    Why? you lefties as you call yourself pretty quick to hit the report button on other members Mark has contributed to a number of threads on here and should have the same rights applied as all other posters on here.

    What post was he abused? His boards name now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭Irishmale0399


    I was differentiating from a terrorist. It appears to me that he was really screwed up in the head rather than a terrorist.

    While I know the area I’m not sure which house it was. There are a number of vacant properties on that road that are obvious looking.

    The house certainly didnt look vacant. Grandparents live nearby, they know the situation related to it and both parents would pass the house at least twice a day and were sure it was lived in.

    As for being a terrorist or not.....he murdered 1 and took into account the potential death of 2 others. Very similar to the attacks last year in the London market or is that different because its London and he was alone??

    Did your man drive into the crowded Xmas market in Berlin because he was having a bad day??? Was he a terrorist??? Also alone....no passport and moving from state to state in the EU using various identities that only came to light after his death.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,123 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    RasTa wrote: »
    He writes for the Sun, that's all I need to know.

    Can you at least get your facts right! Mark writes for The Sunday Times and not The Sun!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,878 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Reported abuse of an active boards.ie member

    Which one?

    Btw I did get a warning for that. Haven't had one in ages.

    I don't think I've ever reported someone for being nasty to me and I've been called many things.


    So anyway, how about this. I have no time for strident ideologues like that. The guy thinks that anyone who criticises Israeli actions about anything at all is a jew hater. He thinks that anyone who sees the oppression of a people and calls it out is anti semetic. He claims to be in favour of free speech but he's quite happy that Israel have banned people who belong to the BDS movement (a 100% peaceful organisation).

    And he retweets stuff like this.

    https://twitter.com/DanielJHannan/status/949736708563718144

    He's also retweeted stuff saying that the BBC are conspiracy theorists, that islam will collapse the west and that amnesty should be defunded because they highlight the plight of an abused muslim. He also believes that anything vaguely socialist is evil and that anything short of free market economies will lead to oppression.

    The guy doesn't have well formed opinions. Pretty much every single tweet is about Israel or Muslims. And it's always Israel = good. Muslims= bad.


    If you want to you can report this post. All I've done is accurately reflect his views here. They're all on twitter or on his website (which is a painful website to navigate. Whoever designed and maintains that should be sectioned. It's insanely confusing to navigate).

    Edited because of my crappy keyboard.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,989 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    Of course he was deranged. Who takes 2-3 knives out with them with the intention of killing or injuring someone....also pyschologically instable.

    As I have already said...there are a lot of questions open, the biggest one being how did he know the house was empty??

    Maybe he believed he could get into town unnoticed to continue...
    Maybe he was trying to spread the Garda resources...in the hope of getting further
    I have heard he tried flagging down a taxi after the second attack. Taxi drivers speaking openly about it.
    Maybe he was sure he would be hit by armed cops quicker if he wasnt in the town center.....
    There are lots of possibilities, maybe that was only meant to be a diversionary attack if he intended to get a taxi into Dundalk town centre.

    Is there some suggestion that the house could have been part of a safe house network rented by or owned by people in ROI?

    I seems unlikely he would have gone to Dublin, applied for asylum, and then made it back to the house in Dundalk within the timeframe, but maybe its true, who knows. If he knew his way round quite well, and knew the trains, he could do it. Or if somebody was helping him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,878 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Why? you lefties as you call yourself pretty quick to hit the report button on other members Mark has contributed to a number of threads on here and should have the same rights applied as all other posters on here.

    I've never reported anyone except for the rereg's.

    I also have no idea who he is.

    And I'm not really a lefty. 10 years ago I'd be considered a bit left of central. However to people like you I'm suddenly a communist who wants to destroy western civilisation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,123 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    Grayson wrote: »
    Which one?

    Btw I did get a warning for that. Haven't had one in ages.

    I don't think I've ever reported someone for being nasty to me and I've been called many things.


    So anyway, how about this. I have no time for strident ideologues like that. The guy thinks that anyone who criticises Israeli actions about anything at all is a jew hater. He thinks that anyone who sees the oppression of a people and calls it out is anti semetic. He claims to be in favour of free speech but he's quite happy that Israel have banned people who belong to the BDS movement (a 100% peaceful organisation).

    And he retweets stuff like this.

    https://twitter.com/DanielJHannan/status/949736708563718144

    He's also retweeted stuff saying that the BBC are conspiracy theorists, that islam will collapse the west and that amnesty should be defunded because they highlight the plight of an abused muslim. He also believes that anything vaguely socialist is evil and that anything short of free market economies will lead to oppression.

    The guy doesn't have well formed opinions. Pretty much every single tweet is about Israel or Muslims. And it's always Israel = good. Muslims= bad.


    If you want to you can report this post. All I've done is accurately reflect his views here. They're all on twitter or on his website (which is a painful website to navigate. Whoever designed and maintains that should be sectioned. It's insanely confusing to navigate).

    Edited because of my crappy keyboard.

    Well you could have said all that above rather the the he’s a C-word!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,429 ✭✭✭emo72


    Grayson wrote: »
    I've never reported anyone except for the rereg's.

    I also have no idea who he is.

    And I'm not really a lefty. 10 years ago I'd be considered a bit left of central. However to people like you I'm suddenly a communist who wants to destroy western civilisation.

    you did call him a "cnut". thats horrible behaviour in fairness. well below whats expected of boards users. and as much as id disagree with you id always treat you with respect.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭Irishmale0399


    recedite wrote: »
    There are lots of possibilities, maybe that was only meant to be a diversionary attack if he intended to get a taxi into Dundalk town centre.

    Is there some suggestion that the house could have been part of a safe house network rented by or owned by people in ROI?

    I seems unlikely he would have gone to Dublin, applied for asylum, and then made it back to the house in Dundalk within the timeframe, but maybe its true, who knows. If he knew his way round quite well, and knew the trains, he could do it. Or if somebody was helping him.

    The house is owned by a local family. Currently not lived in but kept quite well all the same. Question is how did he know to go to that house if he was only in Dundalk from the 01.01.2018 as the Gardai would like us to believe.

    As for a diversion attack....I would think he was trying to spread Garda and emergency services resources. May have been his plan to keep attacking until they got to him and he was sure he would get to the town center.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,878 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Well you could have said all that above rather the the he’s a C-word!

    I believe brevity is a virtue.

    And I didn't realise that they're a regular poster. I generally follow the rule of attack the post, not the poster. If I'd known that they were posting on the thread I'd have compiled an augment. I'd be the same if Trump posted here (Like that would ever happen). I'd argue the points. But Trump doesn't post here so I have no problem summarising my feeling about him with a 4 letter word beginning with C.

    Plus I'm a big fan of that word. I use it all the time in real life. And I've used it plenty of times here, this is the first time anyone has ever complained about it.


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