Heavyweight Boxing

Wilder still telegraphs his overhand right way too much. He’s going to leave himself wide open to a counter against someone who can beat him to the punch like Joshua with a straight right. Still strongly favour Joshua.

Tyson Fury wrote: »

In fairness what ukad are doing to him is totally unfair. According to Fury he never failed the drugs test just had elevated levels. How many times has povetkin tested positive and he's fighting next month.

Are they not claiming he tested positive for Nandrolone?

The man in red and black wrote: »

Are they not claiming he tested positive for Nandrolone?

https://twitter.com/Tyson_Fury/status/928277725957316608

The division as a whole is complete garbage Joshua is decent but not a patch on some of the guys in the 90s like Tyson, Bowe, Lewis, Holyfield ect. Wilder my god the man's a KO waiting to happen so wild and technically really lacking. Fury could probably have been the best of the lot if he got his arse in gear but that isn't ever happening imo. Ortiz should be banned for life same with Povetkin. Division is really grim right now possibly the weakest in boxing

selectamatic wrote: »

I'd argue it's the best it's been in a long while right now. Or at least has the potential to be. The two klitchko's had basicslly zero credible opposition from the mid noughties on and thats a shame as great champs need great opposition. That for me was the dark era of hw boxing. Shannon Briggs, chisora, Tony Thompson, kevin johnson etc fighting for proper world titles? These were very bad years.

Now we've glimmers of hope and things might get competitive. Casuals are thinking that maybe just maybe the cliché baddest men on the planet are back. It doesn't really matter if they're flawed Joshua and wilder are still the type of heavies that capture the greater publics imagination.

Couple that with up and coming prospects like Dubois, credible challengers in the form of parker & maybe fury and potentially some big hard hitting skilful cruiserweights making the step up and imo the division could be about to breathe new life.

Not that the HW divison was amazing in the Klitschko era but honestly the standard of fighters isn't any better now then it was then, in fact its probably even worse

Guys like Wilder, Parker, Pulev, Whyte, Miller, Takam ect would all be irrelevant in the vast majority of past era's, yet now all those guys are actual top 10 in the division with Wilder and Parker top 5, We've seen how limited Parker actually is and Wilder not much better in what other division in boxing right now are guys of that quality clear top 5 at the weight?

The division is awful Joshua can count himself lucky he has arrived in this era because i'm damn sure he would never beat a prime Holyfield, Bowe, Lennox, Tyson even a David Tua would maybe beat him. Joshua is about the level of Frank Bruno, very good but never great and certainly flawed, Bruno was a contender in his era who eventually won a belt but he was never really the elite of the division in 2017 he would be.

Dick phelan wrote: »

Not that the HW divison was amazing in the Klitschko era but honestly the standard of fighters isn't any better now then it was then, in fact its probably even worse

Guys like Wilder, Parker, Pulev, Whyte, Miller, Takam ect would all be irrelevant in the vast majority of past era's, yet now all those guys are actual top 10 in the division with Wilder and Parker top 5, We've seen how limited Parker actually is and Wilder not much better in what other division in boxing right now are guys of that quality clear top 5 at the weight?

I'd agree with some of this but I'm seeing now at this moment somewhat of a turning point. And I'd be inclined to lump the likes of pulev, povetkin, Ortiz, wach, etc into that klitchko era. An era which is hopefully over. While still ranked these guys are close to irrelevant truth be told.

Parker hasn't really been exposed yet, he will be but as of now right this minute he's credible opposition. tbh I've seen feck all of Miller but it'll be interesting to see how he performs this weekend can't say I see a whole pile of success coming his way in the future.

Young Dubois coming of age would be a great addition and fury returning in shape would make things interesting from a new challenge perspective. Then it's really down to what cruisers make the jump or what other up and coming prospects rear their heads.

Honnestly though I really do think the sooner we're shut of the noughties hangers on the better things will be.

The Late 80's and all the 90's was a very good era so using that for comparison is a touch harsh really perhaps we'll get to those talent levels again eventually it'll certainly take time though.

Ridiculous that Charr can win a 'World Title' after this



Ustinov is totally useless. Stiff and no power. Like a mini version of Valuev

selectamatic wrote: »

Rd10 consisting of charr literally doing laps of the ring for a minute and a half before ustinov finally grabbed ahold of him and playfully slapped him a couple of times with the palm of his glove was the point at which my will to continue watching faded.

I reckon a 30 stone Fury would still play with Charr.

normanoffside wrote: »

I reckon a 30 stone Fury would still play with Charr.

Looks like that is his approximate weight at the moment! Check out the pic in this article :eek::eek:

http://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/11148916/tyson-fury-has-regained-mobility-and-movement-says-ricky-hatton

Joshua vs Parker unification confirmed for 31st March.

Alfred Borden wrote: »

Where? Any word on tickets?

Just announced that the deal is done. Most likely Wembley I'd say, I'd imagine info on tickets will be out next week.

Edit: This was on a site I follow, nothing official yet, might be umping the gun a touch...

squinn2912 wrote: »

Who wins this fight lads? I honestly think Parker has a decent chance. That said, he could be blown away in 2-3 rounds

Having watched Parker vs hughie fury, he gives me no confidence. Doesn't look that fit either IMO. That said anyone who is durable or elusive witha bit of power could potentially trouble Joshua.

AJ has responded to fury saying to have 2 or 3 fights and get his love back then they'll talk. Not leaving fury with many excuses if he loses so.

Joshua will KO Parker quite easily. Parker is nothing special at all.

The odds for this fight tell the story, 1/16 Joshua and 1/7 for the KO. A nice handy belt to add to the collection of Joshua before a massive fight against Wilder. This is working out perfect for Joshua.

squinn2912 wrote: »

A shut out is when there is a big points difference so to say Wlad did that to Fury makes no sense at all. 116-111 I guess isn't a shut out but a comfortable win, especially since he was 4/1 to do it. Now and again the bookies get it wrong.
AJ is almost unbackable but he's not unbeatable.

No, a shut out implies an easy type clear win. It was anything but, regardless of the scores. Scores can be separate to this.

Shut outs or even comfortable wins: Where one man clearly displays that he is winning and is better than his foe, at boxing that is.......I have no idea what Fury and Wlad were at 3 years ago.

Calzaghe-Lacy
Floyd-JMM
Manny-Margarito
Crawford-Burns
etc etc

Fury-Wlad was a stink out. Neither shut the other out.

squinn2912 wrote: »

Well we don't and aren't going to agree on this clearly. I think Fury won that fight by a long way and considering his opponent it was a remarkable achievement. Ever since as a boxing fan I'm disappointed in him. I do agree with you it wasn't a great fight to watch but still Fury deserves respect.

We just disagree on the wording I suppose. Boxing wise and scoring wise I felt the fight such a stinker that neither man could really claim superiority.

Anyway, he has been dining out on that sh1t performance over two years now.

I can't understand why Wilder is taking a risk like this with the AJ payday right around the corner? I have Ortiz as the favourite in that fight.

Whyte has the chin to more than likely see a fight with Browne the distance and get the hometown Matchroom decision. Decent test for him though compared to what he's been fighting recently.