Dairy chit chat II

alps · 05-01-2018 10:57AM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Urea bb Yara gran €266/t.
28t load.
Down €14/t since before Xmas.

28%N + 12%S gran, bb, €231/t.
28t load.
Both 30 days credit.

All prices are + vat.

Do prices very regionally in France? Would you think those prices would be achievable near Cherbourg?

In the mid 2000's, a similar gouging was going on here, and some big tillage operators coupled with some buying groups (needed to be vat reg) imported direct from a manufacturer, and the actions of that move, broke the "cartel" that year...

Would be very helpful if an alternative source if fertiliser could be landed this spring. Many of the group's have enough product bought to do till summer, so they won't be stepping to this plate this time around..but an individual has 90€ per tonne to play with to see if he could get it landed here from France...

White Clover · 05-01-2018 12:37PM

alps wrote: »

Do prices very regionally in France? Would you think those prices would be achievable near Cherbourg?

In the mid 2000's, a similar gouging was going on here, and some big tillage operators coupled with some buying groups (needed to be vat reg) imported direct from a manufacturer, and the actions of that move, broke the "cartel" that year...

Would be very helpful if an alternative source if fertiliser could be landed this spring. Many of the group's have enough product bought to do till summer, so they won't be stepping to this plate this time around..but an individual has 90€ per tonne to play with to see if he could get it landed here from France...

Would it be feasible/possible/legal to bring fertilizer from France? Maybe via back loads?

Injuryprone · 05-01-2018 01:26PM

alps wrote: »

.but an individual has 90€ per tonne to play with to see if he could get it landed here from France...

But wasn't the 266 price in France not +vat, whereas the 340 is probably vat included. So not that much difference?

Gawddawggonnit · 05-01-2018 01:29PM

alps wrote: »

Do prices very regionally in France? Would you think those prices would be achievable near Cherbourg?
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I would think that the price is much the same throughout the country, but the distance from port/manufacturers would vary....

Importing by truck wouldn’t be efficient.

Also I think there’s pcs no.s now on fert...it is a dangerous chemical of course. (In the wrong hands!)

It’s the same old trick...buy low, every Coop/Merchant hold the line because prices are rising...and magic Day is in 10days time, so you all will be firing it out then. Gotcha!

“I’ve only the transport out of it” is their usual line...lol.

Gawddawggonnit · 05-01-2018 01:31PM

Injuryprone wrote: »

But wasn't the 266 price in France not +vat, whereas the 340 is probably vat included. So not that much difference?

I thought that fert is zero rated for you?

(Another subsidy!)

alps · 05-01-2018 01:59PM

Injuryprone wrote: »

But wasn't the 266 price in France not +vat, whereas the 340 is probably vat included. So not that much difference?

You need to be purchasing with an Irish VAT number, then the French company don't charge the vat, and if you sell it on here in Ireland it is zero rated...

yosemitesam1 · 05-01-2018 02:56PM

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Say my name · 05-01-2018 03:02PM

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

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Who wrote that?

Buford T. Justice XIX · 05-01-2018 03:09PM

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

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Greenwashing of a different type. Interesting how they conflate Ag, transport and industry emissions as rising instead of just using Ag emissions as the standard.

Perhaps they wouldn't be welcomed with open arm among their cheerleaders if they showed the emissions of Ag alone. Or simply stated the transport and industry emissions on their own against Ag emissions.

Say my name · 05-01-2018 03:15PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Greenwashing of a different type. Interesting how they conflate Ag, transport and industry emissions as rising instead of just using Ag emissions as the standard.

Perhaps they wouldn't be welcomed with open arm among their cheerleaders if they showed the emissions of Ag alone. Or simply stated the transport and industry emissions on their own against Ag emissions.

I don't see the writer's name on the article.
So that's why I'm wondering if any of it is true or not?

Could just be someone who didn't get the family farm.

GrasstoMilk · 05-01-2018 03:28PM

New crush working a treat!
Dosed all dry cows Oraly for fluke and worms, pour on for lice and vaccinated for IBR on my own today

Say my name · 05-01-2018 03:33PM

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

New crush working a treat!
Dosed all dry cows Oraly for fluke and worms, pour on for lice and vaccinated for IBR on my own today

Were you able to do them all in the crush race or did you have to use the headgate at all?

yosemitesam1 · 05-01-2018 03:37PM

Say my name wrote: »

I don't see the writer's name on the article.
So that's why I'm wondering if any of it is true or not?

Could just be someone who didn't get the family farm.

Not sure who the author is but it's from the phoenix.
Think the general gist of it is fairly spot on.

Say my name · 05-01-2018 03:44PM

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

Not sure who the author is but it's from the phoenix.
Think the general gist of it is fairly spot on.

Since 1990 to now agricultural emissions have actually fallen by 3.5%.
Since 1990 to now transport emissions have increased by 138% with road transport higher again by 145%.

Source..... the EPA.

Them's the facts.

GrasstoMilk · 05-01-2018 04:02PM

Say my name wrote: »

Were you able to do them all in the crush race or did you have to use the headgate at all?

Used the head gate on every one of them. Got fed up after the first one trying to get the hook into her mouth. Worked well

Say my name · 05-01-2018 04:25PM

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Used the head gate on every one of them. Got fed up after the first one trying to get the hook into her mouth. Worked well

Have you a headscoop on yours?

We did ours a few days ago everyone in the head gate too. An odd one you'd have to get a bucket with nuts to get their head out.
I had help though. We bolus the cows for minerals. I couldn't be without the scoop doing that.

I have that dosing gun with a hook left in a corner somewhere. I think they're only any good on a one sided crush with stock packed in otherwise..

yosemitesam1 · 05-01-2018 04:32PM

Say my name wrote: »

Since 1990 to now agricultural emissions have actually fallen by 3.5%.
Since 1990 to now transport emissions have increased by 138% with road transport higher again by 145%.

Source..... the EPA.

Them's the facts.

Have another read of it, agriculture isn't the only target of that article, also the government's lack of action in general...

Also something not included in epa reports is a few million tons a year of co2 from soils

GrasstoMilk · 05-01-2018 05:08PM

Say my name wrote: »

Have you a headscoop on yours?

We did ours a few days ago everyone in the head gate too. An odd one you'd have to get a bucket with nuts to get their head out.
I had help though. We bolus the cows for minerals. I couldn't be without the scoop doing that.

I have that dosing gun with a hook left in a corner somewhere. I think they're only any good on a one sided crush with stock packed in otherwise..

I find the hook great . I used it today just the new stand on this crush isn't as high and you can't reall get in over the cow to hook her

Panch18 · 05-01-2018 05:20PM

K.G. wrote: »

What s the story with 8 people that have are starting up dairying in that big farm in Roscommon.seems alot of people to have involved but are some "silent partners" or are the operaters getting equity as part of pay.

Did you see this somewhere or just a rumour you heard?

Say my name · 05-01-2018 05:33PM

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

Have another read of it, agriculture isn't the only target of that article, also the government's lack of action in general...

Also something not included in epa reports is a few million tons a year of co2 from soils

I read it again.

It's a load of nonsense pandering to misinform the not knowing.
Not sure I agree with any of it.
The old saying "a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing especially when I can use it to twist it backwards to suit my narrative " comes to mind.

I think carbon storage or usage from soils is supposed to be considered in the future. Not sure what's going to happen about the mobile carbon on farms though.
Will supermarkets be taxed for carbon trading?

Buford T. Justice XIX · 05-01-2018 05:51PM

Panch18 wrote: »

Did you see this somewhere or just a rumour you heard?

In the Journal.

https://www.farmersjournal.ie/420ac-roscommon-dairy-farm-partnership-ready-for-action-335684

Gawddawggonnit · 05-01-2018 07:32PM

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

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That article should generate a very good debate, sadly it will be shouted down as ‘fake news’...

I find it hard to disagree with the general gist of the content. Then again some of the greatest political truths were seen first in that publication...

Gawddawggonnit · 05-01-2018 07:34PM

Say my name wrote: »

I don't see the writer's name on the article.
So that's why I'm wondering if any of it is true or not?

Could just be someone who didn't get the family farm.

Yep. Fake news.

Say my name · 05-01-2018 07:54PM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Yep. Fake news.

Farmer's producing milk that's not wanted. Yet today's price is 35c.
So fake news correct.
Greenwashing a term just used to get up people's backs. Poor journalism.
Reports of nitrogen and phosphorus in water and specifically attributing it farmers when the EPA in the report blamed council and waste facilities. Again fake news and poor journalism.
Blaming agriculture for the increase in emissions when since 1990 it's decreased. Fake news and also poor journalism.

Really! What else would you call such a crap collection of words? The writer must also believe this since they never bothered to put their name to it.:rolleyes:

morclc · 05-01-2018 07:57PM

Say my name wrote: »

Have you a headscoop on yours?

We did ours a few days ago everyone in the head gate too. An odd one you'd have to get a bucket with nuts to get their head out.
I had help though. We bolus the cows for minerals. I couldn't be without the scoop doing that.

I have that dosing gun with a hook left in a corner somewhere. I think they're only any good on a one sided crush with stock packed in otherwise..

You mentioned that you had a headscoop. I was thinking of buying one. I was just wondering did you think it was worth getting it? Is it a good job for when you are trying to inject cows insted of trying to catch their nose. Does it hold their head still?

Say my name · 05-01-2018 08:04PM

morclc wrote: »

You mentioned that you had a headscoop. I was thinking of buying one. I was just wondering did you think it was worth getting it? Is it a good job for when you are trying to inject cows insted of trying to catch their nose. Does it hold their head still?

I'd consider a headscoop essential on a crush.

Now they can still move up and back slightly. If you wanted them completely still maybe a halter used as well as the scoop but we're able to inject them no bother in the scoop. It will restrict them more than without the scoop anyway.

Gawddawggonnit · 05-01-2018 08:10PM

Say my name wrote: »

Farmer's producing milk that's not wanted. Yet today's price is 35c.
So fake news correct.
Greenwashing a term just used to get up people's backs. Poor journalism.
Reports of nitrogen and phosphorus in water and specifically attributing it farmers when the EPA in the report blamed council and waste facilities. Again fake news and poor journalism.
Blaming agriculture for the increase in emissions when since 1990 it's decreased. Fake news and also poor journalism.

Really! What else would you call such a crap collection of words? The writer must also believe this since they never bothered to put their name to it.:rolleyes:

Sure that’s grand, it’s just fake news.

Can I give a stab at saying your name...?

Donald John Trump??

:)

K.G. · 05-01-2018 08:13PM

Panch18 wrote: »

K.G. wrote: »

What s the story with 8 people that have are starting up dairying in that big farm in Roscommon.seems alot of people to have involved but are some "silent partners" or are the operaters getting equity as part of pay.

Did you see this somewhere or just a rumour you heard?

Only what was in journal.i thought there was 700 acres in that farm or is it adifferent farm

Say my name · 05-01-2018 08:17PM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Sure that’s grand, it’s just fake news.

Can I give a stab at saying your name...?

Donald John Trump??

:)

Explain to me where what I posted that is fake?

You're the one who first brought up the term "fake news" here.
So.....:rolleyes:

GrasstoMilk · 05-01-2018 09:24PM

K.G. wrote: »

Only what was in journal.i thought there was 700 acres in that farm or is it adifferent farm

Know 2 of the ppl involved but don't know the ins and outs of it

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