The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V2

MightyMandarin · 03-01-2018 11:58PM

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

Some players dont have a wife who earns more money a year than the top paid player in the league

I'm not riding Brady's dick here, if that's what you're thinking. I'm not denying he's lucky that Gisele is the breadwinner, but all NFL QB's aren't exactly living on the poverty line either.

Look, he saw what he could do to increase his chances of winning even more SB's and it's paying off. It's not the only reason for his success and I'm not saying all other QB's should do the same, it's just pointing out that while some guys are in it for the money, others care more about legacy and winning than anything else.

raze_them_all_ · 04-01-2018 09:08AM

MightyMandarin wrote: »

I'm not riding Brady's dick here, if that's what you're thinking. I'm not denying he's lucky that Gisele is the breadwinner, but all NFL QB's aren't exactly living on the poverty line either.

Look, he saw what he could do to increase his chance of winning even more SB's and it's paying off. It's not the only reason for his success and I'm not saying all other QB's should do the same, it's just pointing out that while some guys are in it for the money, others care more about legacy and winning than anything else.

Im not saying that. For almost every other player it's generational wealth. It's money that will set them, their kids, their kids kids up for life. No bills to worry about. No college fees, no medical bills etc. So they have to make as much money as physically possibly. For Tom Brady it's a nice bonus. For him even he played for free since he was in the league it'd make no difference as his wife is worth so much. It's not hard to play for 10 million less a year and "help the team" when your partner brings over 30 million a year

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman · 04-01-2018 10:20AM

MightyMandarin wrote: »

You never know what players want. Some will cut their pay like Brady in order to make space for a better team, while others just want to make money or aren't as devoted to winning as he seems to be.

Meh he didnt cut his pay he pushed it to a bonus paid in future years, which worked out well for him for that suspension he received last year, regardless though Brady is a steal at his current contract price or any price tbh.

bruschi · 04-01-2018 01:58PM

Just finished watching the Larry Fitzgerald Football Life story. Without doubt, my favourite non patriots player, and even at that, I'm not sure that he isnt my favourite ever player full stop.

Carson Palmer said it best in the doc, he has the skill of the likes of Owens and Moss and Brown and those guys, but he isnt a diva in any shape or form. He isnt outspoken and doesnt talk trash. He plays hard and plays for his team.

It's probably the one thing that hurts him, is that he is so unselfish and just does his job. He doesnt go around with the big celebrations, the look at me, I'm so good. He doesnt throw team mates under the bus or that either.

He is third on the all time leading yards, only 400 behind TO. 3rd for receptions. 6th for TDs. The fact that he is so high on these lists without really being a perennial playoff player says it all too.

And even his personal life, he goes travelling, he wants to see the world and other cultures. Some of the other Football life stories you'd watch and even though you'd be interested in the player, and even though they put them in the best light possible, they still end up looking a complete A-hole.

There was rumours of him going to the Patriots at one stage last off season and I was really hoping he would. Still would love him to go there next season if it was at all possible, he has shown that he can still do a job even though he is "past it". And if he doesnt, he is certainly one player I would really love to see win a superbowl.

helimachoptor · 04-01-2018 02:17PM

yeah massive fan of his, he's had a great statistical career, you'd love to see him get a ring.

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman · 04-01-2018 02:19PM

helimachoptor wrote: »

yeah massive fan of his, he's had a great statistical career, you'd love to see him get a ring.

Yep, he's such a likeable player. Would definitely love to see him get a ring, preferably at the Cardinals though. Would mean more to him I feel.

helimachoptor · 04-01-2018 02:22PM

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

Yep, he's such a likeable player. Would definitely love to see him get a ring, preferably at the Cardinals though. Would mean more to him I feel.

he'd be the type if he won a ring with another team, he'd give it away.

4/5 years ago i think there were rumours of him to the Pats? What may have been

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman · 04-01-2018 02:26PM

helimachoptor wrote: »

he'd be the type if he won a ring with another team, he'd give it away.

4/5 years ago i think there were rumours of him to the Pats? What may have been

Glad he didn't go, it's a pity that the Cardinals team a couple of years ago couldnt get it done in the playoffs.

bruschi · 04-01-2018 03:20PM

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

Glad he didn't go, it's a pity that the Cardinals team a couple of years ago couldnt get it done in the playoffs.

yup, and the playoff run that time was very much down to him, even scoring twice in that Suprebowl. He gave the team the lead with less than 3 minutes left, but Antonio Browns big toe had other ideas.

and as you say, the Superbowl would mean far more to him in Arizona than anywhere else. I dont see the Cards doing that now though, I felt they had a shot this year with Palmer in his final hurrah and with David Johnson in great form, but both of them to IR ruined what could have been. Unless they make a big splash at QB, even allowing for as well as Gabbart did this year, they wont win a Superbowl without a top level QB there.

Shedite27 · 04-01-2018 03:25PM

That TD he scored to go ahead in the 4th quarter of the Superbowl was one of my favorite scores, simple run and catch, then running away from 3 Steelers defense while looking up at the jumbotron to see where the defenders were.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE5-tceg4ZU

Pity they left too much time on the clock

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman · 04-01-2018 03:49PM

bruschi wrote: »

yup, and the playoff run that time was very much down to him, even scoring twice in that Suprebowl. He gave the team the lead with less than 3 minutes left, but Antonio Browns big toe had other ideas.

and as you say, the Superbowl would mean far more to him in Arizona than anywhere else. I dont see the Cards doing that now though, I felt they had a shot this year with Palmer in his final hurrah and with David Johnson in great form, but both of them to IR ruined what could have been. Unless they make a big splash at QB, even allowing for as well as Gabbart did this year, they wont win a Superbowl without a top level QB there.

Gabbert got worse and worse, eventually replaced by Drew Staunton. With David Johnson back they are a credible team and could win the West next year but to win the Superbowl they will need a good Qb.

Personally I think if they could get someone like Sam Bradford or even Case Keenum they have a shot at it.

bruschi · 04-01-2018 03:56PM

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

Gabbert got worse and worse, eventually replaced by Drew Staunton. With David Johnson back they are a credible team and could win the West next year but to win the Superbowl they will need a good Qb.

Personally I think if they could get someone like Sam Bradford or even Case Keenum they have a shot at it.

yup, could end up being a double effect, they have a mid first round pick so could easily pick up a top class QB there (allowing for the unpredictability of QBs drafted high though) and there are some very decent QBs out there at the moment hitting free agency. Vikings will have to make a decision with their 3 as to who they think is their franchise QB. You only have to look at the Jags to see that a serviceable QB will push you over the average ledge, its getting to that top ledge is the next hurdle, and you wont do that with Bortles or those really poor QBs at the moment.

Billy86 · 04-01-2018 04:05PM

bruschi wrote: »

He is third on the all time leading yards, only 400 behind TO. 3rd for receptions. 6th for TDs. The fact that he is so high on these lists without really being a perennial playoff player says it all too.

What's more is, for over half of his career his QBs have also typically been a tad on the "f***ing terrible" side. Warner of course was excellent, Palmer was really good at first but has been on the wane for two years at least (and missed about 1.5 seasons worth of games in his 5 years there), and beyond that... more or less nothing. If I'm correct Drew Stanton and Matt Leinart are by a long distance the best other QBs he has had, which really says all it needs to if true.

A mate of mine made a great comment at some point this season, when you've a bet against the Cardinals you're watching Fitz and you know... you just know... you just ****ing know that he's going to make that bet a living hell whether it wins or not. If memory serves we did win the bet for that one, wasn't a big amount or anything but surely enough I do remember it being complete hell, basically all because of Fitz.

Might give it a watch, I've never got around to learning too much of him off the field but he's got a reputation as one of the absolute most 'stand up good guys' in the 16 years I've been watching the league.

adrian522 · 04-01-2018 05:39PM

bruschi wrote: »

yup, and the playoff run that time was very much down to him, even scoring twice in that Suprebowl. He gave the team the lead with less than 3 minutes left, but Antonio Browns big toe had other ideas.

Santonio Holmes ?

Ivefoundgod · 04-01-2018 06:07PM

Definitely Santonio, Browne wasn't even in the league back then. If memory serves the year after that Madden had the first ever "split" cover with Fitz and Holmes on the cover.

Billy86 · 04-01-2018 06:24PM

Fitz and Polamalu, last Madden game I've owned (F***ing EA bring every sports game I've no interest in out on PC, bar Madden! :mad: ).

bruschi · 04-01-2018 07:10PM

adrian522 wrote: »

bruschi wrote: »

yup, and the playoff run that time was very much down to him, even scoring twice in that Suprebowl. He gave the team the lead with less than 3 minutes left, but Antonio Browns big toe had other ideas.

Santonio Holmes ?

D'oh. Had Brown on the brain after referencing him earlier.

eagle eye · 04-01-2018 08:56PM

I'd guess that Moss, Lewis and Dawkins are certainties, after you just never know. John Lynch will be very close to getting it to I'd say.

thomond2006 · 05-01-2018 10:24AM

Knex. wrote: »

Alex Smith is another one who'll be hitting Free Agency, right? Can see him getting paid, especially if he does alright in the Playoffs.

Billy86 wrote: »

Oh yeah, he'd be paid very big too and would be the #1 option I'd say if he were available, but I think he and KC have a good thing going and it's likely neither would be too eager to break it up - just my guess, mind. Smith's been massively underrated for a few years now.

Smith is under contract for next season but KC can cut him for little penalty.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/alex-smith-3337/

Would there be a trade market for him?

helimachoptor · 05-01-2018 10:25AM

thomond2006 wrote: »

Smith is under contract for next season but KC can cut him for little penalty.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/alex-smith-3337/

Would there be a trade market for him?

Doubt a team would be willing to offer much given he could be a free agent after one season with them

jack presley · 05-01-2018 10:36AM

Redskins will probably need a QB. They might be interested in giving a middle/low round pick for Smith?

Paully D · 05-01-2018 12:14PM

Speaking of Larry Fitz a few pages back, how good was that 2004 draft by the way? :eek:

Eli, Rivers, Ben, Larry Fitz and Sean Taylor all went in the first 11 picks, 4 of those in the top 5 :eek:

Then you also had Steven Jackson and Wilfort at the end of the first, Jared Allen, Bob Sanders, Schaub, Shaun Phillips, Andy Lee in the lower rounds.

Wes Welker, Vonta Leach and Jason Peters UDFA’s. And of course Brock Lesnar too! :pac:

Knex* · 05-01-2018 12:20PM

Can't see Welker and Allen without linking this video :pac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdnuBoNd0WI

Paully D · 05-01-2018 01:45PM

Interesting article here on the tensions between Brady, Belichick and Kraft:

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/page/hotread180105/beginning-end-new-england-patriots-robert-kraft-tom-brady-bill-belichick-internal-power-struggle

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman · 05-01-2018 02:05PM

Paully D wrote: »

Speaking of Larry Fitz a few pages back, how good was that 2004 draft by the way? :eek:

Eli, Rivers, Ben, Larry Fitz and Sean Taylor all went in the first 11 picks, 4 of those in the top 5 :eek:

Then you also had Steven Jackson and Wilfort at the end of the first, Jared Allen, Bob Sanders, Schaub, Shaun Phillips, Andy Lee in the lower rounds.

Wes Welker, Vonta Leach and Jason Peters UDFA’s. And of course Brock Lesnar too! :pac:

Sean Taylor. Oh man everytime I read that name my heart actually aches a little. What a player he was and what a tragedy.

j8wk2feszrnpao · 05-01-2018 02:12PM

Paully D wrote: »

Interesting article here on the tensions between Brady, Belichick and Kraft:

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/page/hotread180105/beginning-end-new-england-patriots-robert-kraft-tom-brady-bill-belichick-internal-power-struggle

That is one long winded opinion piece with old news. But at least the author got some attention.
A dozen unnamed sources in Foxboro. Quality reporting

bruschi · 05-01-2018 02:19PM

Paully D wrote: »

Interesting article here on the tensions between Brady, Belichick and Kraft:

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/page/hotread180105/beginning-end-new-england-patriots-robert-kraft-tom-brady-bill-belichick-internal-power-struggle

Old Coach with old QB with 2 coordinators moving on and a 17 year dynasty about to end. Interspersed with lots of unnamed sources and old rehashed stories. Its a really long winded article with little substance and a load of guesswork on something that is inevitably going to happen.

not sure why this is generating the publicity that it is, other than the fact it is a prediction of the downfall of the Patriots, which, quite rightly, most people would be happy with.

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman · 05-01-2018 02:42PM

I thought personally it was a decent piece, a lot of fluff but some interesting stuff in there too for those not interested in the inner workings of the Patriots. It is too long though, goes on a bit too much in a winding way. The Gurrerro character and the TB12 clinic stuff is interesting. I wouldn't have imagined Belichick allowing anyone but the Patriots medical team to treat anyone, always thought he was a control freak.

The back up qb stuff is interesting too. Seemed a strange move to me when they traded Jimmy to the 49ers for sfa. But as with a lot of these types of pieces it has it's origins in some sort of truth. I cant imagine Belichick being enamoured with the idea of finding another Qb. Jimmy looked like the one and as with anyone in the NFL one big hit could leave the Patriots screwed for the playoffs, just ask Eagles fans or the Raiders fans from last year.

Love playoff football! so looking forward to this weekend!

bruschi · 05-01-2018 02:54PM

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

I thought personally it was a decent piece, a lot of fluff but some interesting stuff in there too for those not interested in the inner workings of the Patriots. It is too long though, goes on a bit too much in a winding way. The Gurrerro character and the TB12 clinic stuff is interesting. I wouldn't have imagined Belichick allowing anyone but the Patriots medical team to treat anyone, always thought he was a control freak.

The back up qb stuff is interesting too. Seemed a strange move to me when they traded Jimmy to the 49ers for sfa. But as with a lot of these types of pieces it has it's origins in some sort of truth. I cant imagine Belichick being enamoured with the idea of finding another Qb. Jimmy looked like the one and as with anyone in the NFL one big hit could leave the Patriots screwed for the playoffs, just ask Eagles fans or the Raiders fans from last year.

Love playoff football! so looking forward to this weekend!

I suppose why on the patriots thread and here that the Guerrero stuff is being looked over is because that story actually broke over a month ago and was a major news piece within the Patriots set up with both BB and TB being asked numerous times about it and both refusing to comment. Its probably new news to anyone not really invested in the Patriots.

The thing about Garropolo is he was going to be out of contract and likely to leave for nothing at the end of the season. My own personal thoughts are that they held him as they didnt know how Brady would go this season. once it was clear he was good enough and they'd last at the minimum this season and most likely next one too, they knew Garropolo wasnt needed and that he himself wouldnt hang around either. So got what they could for him. Plus, the rumours of the multiple first round pick offers in the off season seem just that, rumours. Doesnt seem to be any truth they could have got more than what they did. Still doesnt mean BB didnt want to keep him, but it was a business move.

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman · 05-01-2018 03:03PM

bruschi wrote: »

I suppose why on the patriots thread and here that the Guerrero stuff is being looked over is because that story actually broke over a month ago and was a major news piece within the Patriots set up with both BB and TB being asked numerous times about it and both refusing to comment. Its probably new news to anyone not really invested in the Patriots.

The thing about Garropolo is he was going to be out of contract and likely to leave for nothing at the end of the season. My own personal thoughts are that they held him as they didnt know how Brady would go this season. once it was clear he was good enough and they'd last at the minimum this season and most likely next one too, they knew Garropolo wasnt needed and that he himself wouldnt hang around either. So got what they could for him. Plus, the rumours of the multiple first round pick offers in the off season seem just that, rumours. Doesnt seem to be any truth they could have got more than what they did. Still doesnt mean BB didnt want to keep him, but it was a business move.

Its a bad Business move letting Garropolo leave though. They developed him to a high standard and he appears to be a player. Surely it makes more sense to invest in him for the future.

also in addition your correct I had never heard of Guerrero. Well not directly I guess I did know Brady had some sort of life coach guy working with him and have heard of the TB12 method but just didnt know they stuff about him working with Patriots players etc

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