Breaking: At least 1 man dead after stabbing rampage in Dundalk

silverharp · 04-01-2018 07:56PM

pitifulgod wrote: »

I love the way you ignored the rest of my point. Random acts of horrible violence occur. All indications are this was. What you are engaging in is fear mongering against one group of people. This is the reality. And yes, I very much believe that xenophobia and racism tends to play into the mentality of many of those who engage in fear mongering. Eg people are rejecting the conclusions of the Gardai because it doesn't suit their prejudices..

its hardly random, its unlikely he would have done this in his own country so at a minimum its a sectarian/racist attack. A muslim Dylan Roof if you will. also Islam isnt a race

Tell me how · 04-01-2018 08:00PM

Wibbs wrote: »

You require both to make the hope a reality. The problem is in this debate the pro multiculturalism folks seem to avoid the realities as much as possible.

Part of the problem is those "realities" are defined by the extreme cases of terrorist attacks by anti-integration advocates and assumed that they are guaranteed to happen here and all arrivals will be capable of perpetrating them.

Wibbs wrote: »

For me it doesn't matter so much the why it doesn't work, but that it doesn't. Yes the lack of welcome is a major factor, the culture clash, basic human tribalism, ghettoisation, economics are all factors. The failure is the bastard child with many fathers and because of that even if you could wave a magic wand and get rid of one or two of these factors the problem would be there.

You already live in a multicultural society. Count the number of people you meet and interact with on a daily basis who are both from a different nationality and cultural background to you. Have you a problem with the different people who you are already interacting with?

Wibbs wrote: »

In the end I see it like this; monocultures, or cultures that are very close in makeup are quite simply more socially stable than multicultures. We have our own internal issues and it beggars belief for me why so many are so willing to import more issues to no real benefit.

For Humanitarian reasons. That is the only reason I am advocating for this position in this debate. I've said it before. I've just said it again now. I'm starting to assume you just don't want to hear it or don't believe humanitarian reasons are valid. If so, that's your prerogative.

Wibbs wrote: »

We are in the rare enough position within Europe in that we have the opportunity to observe other European nations over many decades with their experiences of multiculturalism and where it has led them and we have the opportunity to not go down the same road as them. To follow them into this morass of a failed experiment seems to me beyond idiotic.

We have observed conflict and trouble with much larger numbers than being discussed here. I could suggest that we look at why they didn't work and you could say it was because of the immigrants refusal to integrate and I could say that they were stigmatised and ostracised and you'd disagree and we'd go around in circles again.

I am very much a fan of western culture and have no particular wish to see that diluted but I do not understand how someone can look at another human being suffering through war and displacement and say "nah, it might create a problem".

Dr Brown · 04-01-2018 08:01PM

The suspect.

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/948992034693632000

oceanman · 04-01-2018 08:03PM

wakka12 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/0104/931001-dundalk/
No evidence its terror related

That wont be enough to stop the right wing "whack jobs" spouting off though...

recedite · 04-01-2018 08:05PM

pitifulgod wrote: »

That's exactly what you're doing, you're claiming terrorism, no matter what.

I didn't label it terrorism. It makes no difference whether you use that label. I'd call it jihad. There is no evidence that the perpetrators of the Berlin or Nice lorry attacks had any formal connection to IS or Al Quaeda. It is very likely that they were "supporters" though.

What most of the smaller scale EU knife/machete/hatchet attacks have in common with the Dundalk attack is the perpetrators migrated into the EU illegally, from an islamic country which was not in a state of war at the time, and then found it was possible to just wander round using various aliases, applying for asylum and then moving on whenever the claim was rejected.
They began to hate Europe and all its liberal values. Jihad as a concept is a personal thing. An individual may choose his own version and act on it, believing that paradise is the ultimate reward for those who die during the act.

People who feel terrorised may choose to call it terrorism.

04-01-2018 08:09PM

ArchXStanton wrote: »

I've talked to a few Hungarians the last while and they are truly greatful to have him.

I know quite a few who despise him

Del.Monte · 04-01-2018 08:16PM

oceanman wrote: »

That wont be enough to stop the right wing "whack jobs" spouting off though...

As far as I understand it the Gardai have been unable to establish 'anything' apart from the fact that he is 18 and from Egypt - i.e they cannot rule out terrorism either.

splinter65 · 04-01-2018 08:16PM

Dr Brown wrote: »

The suspect.

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/948992034693632000

See some Dubs turned up. Imagine going all the way to Dundalk to abuse a stranger.

humberklog · 04-01-2018 08:20PM

splinter65 wrote: »

See some Dubs turned up. Imagine going all the way to Dundalk to abuse a stranger.

Plenty of Dubs live there.

Any word on what it was the murderer shouted at the start of the clip?

Del.Monte · 04-01-2018 08:20PM

splinter65 wrote: »

See some Dubs turned up. Imagine going all the way to Dundalk to abuse a stranger.

Yeah, they wouldn't be any Dubs living in a faraway place like Dundalk. :rolleyes:

123balltv · 04-01-2018 08:21PM

Japanese victim had an Irish girlfriend maybe those's strangers shouting
outside court were family :mad:

Doltanian · 04-01-2018 08:23PM

splinter65 wrote: »

See some Dubs turned up. Imagine going all the way to Dundalk to abuse a stranger.

Yes because he so deserves kittens and a safe space to chill incase he might have a sexual emergency. The hangmans noose is what he deserves and is more shame on our country that we allow terrorists like him in here to begin with and the pro-scum legal system will ensure he is out after 8 to 10 years. In a proper society he would be hung from the gallows tonight after the judge slammed his hammer. He won't probably even face trial for at least 2-3 years while parasite lawyers will prolong everything and draw millions in legal aid for him.

gw80 · 04-01-2018 08:25PM

splinter65 wrote: »

See some Dubs turned up. Imagine going all the way to Dundalk to abuse a stranger.

Imagine going all the way to dundalk to kill a stranger

fxotoole · 04-01-2018 08:26PM

Doltanian wrote: »

In a proper society he would be hung from the gallows tonight after the judge slammed his hammer.

In a proper *19th century* society, maybe.

Meanwhile, back in the 21st century, barbaric acts like hanging by the neck are long since gone, thank ****.

ArchXStanton · 04-01-2018 08:27PM

riffmongous wrote: »

I know quite a few who despise him

Yeah usually the muh European values crowd...the values the eu regularly ignores when it suits

pilly · 04-01-2018 08:29PM

Doltanian wrote:

Yes because he so deserves kittens and a safe space to chill incase he might have a sexual emergency. The hangmans noose is what he deserves and is more shame on our country that we allow terrorists like him in here to begin with and the pro-scum legal system will ensure he is out after 8 to 10 years. In a proper society he would be hung from the gallows tonight after the judge slammed his hammer. He won't probably even face trial for at least 2-3 years while parasite lawyers will prolong everything and draw millions in legal aid for him.

Jesus.

humberklog · 04-01-2018 08:30PM

fxotoole wrote: »

In a proper *19th century* society, maybe.

Meanwhile, back in the 21st century, barbaric acts like hanging by the neck are long since gone, thank ****.

Yes in civilised 21st century Europe and properly so, unlike Egypt where this pond life crawled from.

Galwayguy35 · 04-01-2018 08:31PM

Those on the left will say sure Irish people commit murder as well, yeah we all know that but the fact remains that if we had a strong border like the Hungarians and Poles have this illegal might not have made it into our country and an innocent person wouldn't be dead.

The Government have been quietly letting people in over the last 2 years and haven't given any explanation as to what checks are preformed to ensure that they are genuine.

Doltanian · 04-01-2018 08:32PM

fxotoole wrote: »

In a proper *19th century* society, maybe.

Meanwhile, back in the 21st century, barbaric acts like hanging by the neck are long since gone, thank ****.

Yes because because what happened in Dundalk wasn't barbaric at all. All scum and terrorists like this should pay the ultimate penalty, I'd be perfectly fine with giving him an injection of Nembutal and I've watched animals be put to sleep to end their suffering and it is a peaceful a death as you could give an animal. This guy is not even an animal as animals are shown to have empathy. The Death Sentence is what he needs and it should be introduced and used often for all murder and a host of other crimes.

Grayson · 04-01-2018 08:33PM

pilly wrote: »

Jesus.

I think the Daily Mail might be too left wing for that guy.

Roger Hassenforder · 04-01-2018 08:33PM

humberklog wrote: »

Any word on what it was the murderer shouted at the start of the clip?

"I'm no monster"....?

Stheno · 04-01-2018 08:35PM

The gardai still have not been able to establish his nationality

vg88 · 04-01-2018 08:37PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

"I'm no monster"....?

Sounds like he said that.

Funny that, he thinks he's not a monster after killing someone and trying to kill others.

SSr0 · 04-01-2018 08:38PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

"I'm no monster"....?

"I'm not a muslim" ?

Del.Monte · 04-01-2018 08:39PM

Stheno wrote: »

The gardai still have not been able to establish his nationality

So all they 'know' is that he is 18. How do they even know that?

vg88 · 04-01-2018 08:39PM

Also going to put this here if anyone wants to help this japanese mans family out.

https://www.gofundme.com/repatriation-of-our-japanese-friend

Stheno · 04-01-2018 08:39PM

Del.Monte wrote: »

So all they 'know' is that he is 18. How do they even know that?

And his name

Presumably he told them?

Spanish Eyes · 04-01-2018 08:42PM

How do they know he is 18? No papers presumably. Mohamed is a Muslim name, although there are lots of Muslim countries too.

Professor Moriarty · 04-01-2018 08:42PM

Doltanian wrote: »

Yes because because what happened in Dundalk wasn't barbaric at all. All scum and terrorists like this should pay the ultimate penalty, I'd be perfectly fine with giving him an injection of Nembutal and I've watched animals be put to sleep to end their suffering and it is a peaceful a death as you could give an animal. This guy is not even an animal as animals are shown to have empathy. The Death Sentence is what he needs and it should be introduced and used often for all murder and a host of other crime.

People like you exist. Imagine.

04-01-2018 08:43PM

Dr Brown wrote: »

The suspect.

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/948992034693632000

Jesus the anger of that crowd. Not that I blame them.

Breaking: At least 1 man dead after stabbing rampage in Dundalk

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