Breaking: At least 1 man dead after stabbing rampage in Dundalk

weldoninhio wrote: »

The Gardai can ask you, me or anyone else our name and address, and if you refuse, or they believe you are lying they have the right to detain you until they can confirm who you are. I hope the Garda that let this lad go the other day is hounded with their conscious.

That is absolute nonsense. A Garda can ask anyone their name or address but they don't have to answer. To arrest someone a Garda must demand their name and address under a section of law. And to my knowledge there is no section of law that allows a Garda to demand a name from someone because he looks or sounds foreign. I'm open to correction on that of course.

If he does exist, I'd say he is hounded by his conscience, even though he likely did nothing wrong, because it's likely he has empathy for victims and isn't just interested in using them to further his ideology.

To those stating migrants are no more criminal than Westerners:

'the report found a clear distinction between migrant groups, with no noticeable criminal statistic spike among young migrants from Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq. The big problem are youths and young men from Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia who, in 2016, comprised just 0.9 per cent of the population of Lower Saxony but 17.1 per cent of criminal suspects.'

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/more-germans-arm-themselves-amid-fears-around-refugees-1.3344232?mode=amp

Re multiculturalism being unquestionably a positive
Watch from 02:29

Canis Lupus wrote: »

SnakePlissken wrote: »

Haven't you a goat you should be raping right about now?

quoting just for posterity.

EDIT: and here's the thing. I don't like religion and I particularly don't like islam. However whenever these discussions start this is what is always lurking beneath the surface. You'll often proclaim in threads like this we're not racist and you can't be racist against a religion and we're just having a discussion but every once in a while the veil slips.

Misinterpret me for posterity more like;

An obvious troll condones the murder of an innocent man and so I responded with an equally distasteful barb that was neither racist or islamaphobic but merely as crass as the post I was replying to.

That you feign offence on the behalf of the supposed defender of a murderer is utterly disgusting, you should be ashamed of yourself.

SnakePlissken wrote: »

Misquote me for posterity more like;

An obvious troll condones the murder of an innocent man and so I responded with an equally distasteful barb that was neither racist or islamaphobic but merely as crass as the post I was replying to.

That you feign offence on the behalf of the supposed defender of a murderer is utterly disgusting, you should be ashamed of yourself

Misquote you? The post is still there. His quote seems accurate.

Wibbs wrote:

That's a hope, not a reality.

I think it's fair to say a large part of the evolution of the human race was because of a willingness to focus more on the hope than the reality.

Wibbs wrote:

And what if they don't? What then? Again, you are hoping. And time and time again we have living proof that multiculturalism, where a non native culture reaches a certain population percentage is at best a powder keg, at worst an abject failure and in the case of colonies a disaster for the native cultures. It's actually little to do with Islam, or "race", it happens were there is a culture clash.

Is that because of those that come or because of the welcome they receive?

I'm not suggesting the native culture should change to accommodate the arriving one but telling them continually how little you trust them and making it difficult for them to assimilate is a big part of that problem.

The slur was in reference to a troll who condoned the murder of an innocent man.

That you wish to misconstrue my crass comment so as to label it, and by extension me, as racist is pathetic.

Anyone who so openly and gleefully supports the Butchery of an innocent man is nothing more than a troglodyte, and I defend my right to respond to them in as crass a manner as is warranted.

You wish to see racism where there is none, that is a reflection upon you not me.

SnakePlissken wrote: »

Nowhere in this article does it reference the IRA?

What relevance does this botched armed robbery have with the topic at hand?

https://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/irish-news/drinkers-tackle-gunman-and-call-time-on-armed-raid-at-pub-36451312.html

Yosuki Sasaki (24) stabbed in the back while walking innocently with his headphones on.
The first victim of Islamic extremism in Ireland.

Tell me how wrote: »

I think it's fair to say a large part of the evolution of the human race was because of a willingness to focus more on the hope than the reality.

True, and it's nice. I like having great ideologies myself.
But on a more pragmatic level, evolution of the human race to me looks a bit more like a game of Agar.io than the ideal we might aspire to, where a cultural entity merrily shares a geographical space with another with no conflict or cultural assimilation.

I like our particular cultural bubble at this moment in time in the West. Bigger issues can be democratically dealt with, religions and other personal preferences are tolerated when they do not impact others dramatically, and we all thrive on more specific cultural traits that we share, or choose to share, or not.

These are good circumstances for my children to grow in, and I think in this situation where they are threatened, it's more important to defend our values than cherishing an ideal.

Icepick wrote: »

Everybody responsible for this should be fired. If not arresting people in breach of law is department policy, the minister should resign. If the garda acted contrary to normal policy, they should be fired and face charges.
Advising criminals to go and waste more public resources must be stopped too.

Rotherham happened in part because of the public sector and the police's inability to enforce the law.

You don't need to go Alt Right or anything like that for a start. Just enforce the law; actually bothering to prosecute people (the same problem exists in this country with Travellers) and deport those people who break the law would be a start.

I mean, thats tough because of community intimidation, gang problems, the personality of people and self selection of people who join the public sector in the first place, but its a start like.

Mountainsandh wrote:

These are good circumstances for my children to grow in, and I think in this situation where they are threatened, it's more important to defend our values than cherishing an ideal.

You must acknowledge that the wheel is always turning.

10, 30, 50 years ago Irish needed to travel to find work to survive
100 yrs ago we were in the midst of independence and civil war
160 yrs ago we were dealing with the famine.

Hopefully not but it's not unrealistic that your children or grandchildren will be looking outside of Ireland at some point for a welcoming face.

I'm not suggesting we forego our culture or democratic practices but that we offer compassion to others in their time of need.

Icepick wrote: »

Everybody responsible for this should be fired. If not arresting people in breach of law is department policy, the minister should resign. If the garda acted contrary to normal policy, they should be fired and face charges.
Advising criminals to go and waste more public resources must be stopped too.

Are you for real? Do you not know the situation?

That situation is quite common in Ireland. There are no stops at the border because there are no checkpoints. Our Govt is looking for this to continue i.e. Brexit talks. No hard border. You can cross as often as you like with no stops in either direction.
There are foreign people coming to a place where i work all the time looking for information re jobs, courses etc. Many of them have no papers. They are coming from England through Belfast and Larne. Quite common.
Dundalk has very high numbers of foreign people living in it, passing through etc.