The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V2

AbusesToilets · 03-01-2018 10:44AM

I could see the Vikings making a push for Cousins. He would really elevate their play over the average level of their current options. Possibly bidding war between them and Jacksonville?

Mick Head · 03-01-2018 10:51AM

Hazys wrote: »

Whats more ridiculous Marvin Lewis getting a two year extension or the Browns not firing Hue Jackson after going 1-31?

Clever move by the Browns new GM to keep Jackson.

He can be a whipping boy for the next while before he's eventually fired and replaced with the coach the GM really wants and it buys the GM more time to turn things around.

tripperman · 03-01-2018 10:52AM

AbusesToilets wrote: »

I could see the Vikings making a push for Cousins. He would really elevate their play over the average level of their current options. Possibly bidding war between them and Jacksonville?

Don't rule out the jets and Broncos entering the bidding war for cousins, both need a QB Broncos have a history of going big on a veteran,
Not sure on Vikings cap space if they could afford to go in on the cousins sweepstakes, haven't they some big names on defense to resign?

03-01-2018 11:53AM

tripperman wrote: »

Don't rule out the jets and Broncos entering the bidding war for cousins, both need a QB Broncos have a history of going big on a veteran,
Not sure on Vikings cap space if they could afford to go in on the cousins sweepstakes, haven't they some big names on defense to resign?

I think vikings will have most cap room in the league or close to it

Lionbacker · 03-01-2018 11:59AM

tripperman wrote: »

Don't rule out the jets and Broncos entering the bidding war for cousins, both need a QB Broncos have a history of going big on a veteran,
Not sure on Vikings cap space if they could afford to go in on the cousins sweepstakes, haven't they some big names on defense to resign?

Vikings have plenty of cap space (in part because they have no QB under contract), as do the Jets. Both teams with over $50 million in space. The Jaguars & Broncos would probably have to make a few adjustments to afford Cousins as their cap space is a little tighter.

Here's the info on all the teams cap space for next year:http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/

Blut2 · 03-01-2018 11:59AM

The Vikings would be mad to go chasing another QB. They'll aim to keep Bridgewater as their main long term plan (if his recovery is looking good enough), and ideally keep one of Bradford/Keenum as a very good back-up/co-starter for the next year or two if they can. But with so many teams lacking a QB they might end up losing both of the latter.

brinty · 03-01-2018 12:01PM

Clementine Scary String wrote: »

I think vikings will have most cap room in the league or close to it

Just looked at over the cap and the have the 6th biggest cap space available for 2018 at $57.5m

But that's only with 41 players signed for next season and no quarterback of which they'll need a big amount of cap room for. I think Sam Bradford was a 2 year $35m contract so they'd need to spend at least that again. Adam Thielen is likely due a new contract after his season and a few others so its not all rosy in the garden

Billy86 · 03-01-2018 12:20PM

Unless Garoppolo hits free agency (he won't, he's got to be over the moon with how his SF career has kicked off and it's one of the main 'glamour' team to play QB for), Cousins is getting paid big. I doubt they could afford him, but if the Jaguars picked him up in the spring they'd have to be a top 3-5 SB favourite for next year by default. Not to say Cousins is Brady or Rodgers, but the guy picks up yards and TDs... even just the yards to consistently get in FG range would be enough with that defense of theirs which is also very young and is bound to only get better (...somehow!).

Knex* · 03-01-2018 12:39PM

Alex Smith is another one who'll be hitting Free Agency, right? Can see him getting paid, especially if he does alright in the Playoffs.

Billy86 · 03-01-2018 12:40PM

Oh yeah, he'd be paid very big too and would be the #1 option I'd say if he were available, but I think he and KC have a good thing going and it's likely neither would be too eager to break it up - just my guess, mind. Smith's been massively underrated for a few years now.

boccy23 · 03-01-2018 12:44PM

Billy86 wrote: »

Oh yeah, he'd be paid very big too and would be the #1 option I'd say if he were available, but I think he and KC have a good thing going and it's likely neither would be too eager to break it up - just my guess, mind. Smith's been massively underrated for a few years now.

Do you not think that a lot will depend on how he performs in the playoffs? Surely this was the reason they went after Mahomme as he was poor last year and KC cannot see him bringing them to a Superbowl.

phatkev · 03-01-2018 12:47PM

Lionbacker wrote: »

Vikings have plenty of cap space (in part because they have no QB under contract), as do the Jets. Both teams with over $50 million in space. The Jaguars & Broncos would probably have to make a few adjustments to afford Cousins as their cap space is a little tighter.

Here's the info on all the teams cap space for next year:http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/

I have a feeling the Jets will offer big money for him, both coach and GM are going to be under pressure to start getting results. With the release of Wilkerson they should have over $100 million in cap space

Billy86 · 03-01-2018 12:51PM

I don't think so personally, Smith has been great through the season and is probably deserving to be in the MVP shortlist (he was front runner for about the whole first half of the year imo). Maybe if he has a 4 INT, 0 TD type of game it might change things but I'd reckon they'll be holding onto him either way, he's not a tonne of games in them but his overall career playoff performances look decent, on paper at least - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SmitAl03/gamelog/post/

Billy86 · 03-01-2018 12:54PM

phatkev wrote: »

I have a feeling the Jets will offer big money for him, both coach and GM are going to be under pressure to start getting results. With the release of Wilkerson they should have over $100 million in cap space

I reckon the Vikings will retain one of their current three (two, if Bridgewater can be returned relatively cheap), though with regards to the Jets I think Cousins would probably have a choice of several and if I were him that might be the very last team I'd go to after the Browns to be honest. Though he does turn 30 in the summer and apart from tag salaries (which hardly give any long term certainty) the last year or two he's never been on much money... so there is a chance a megabucks contract would be more likely to sway him than it would the average free agent QB.

the baby bull elephant · 03-01-2018 01:40PM

I'd say Cousins is pretty much guaranteed to have the largest contract in the NFL by the time the new season starts. It's just the way the market works.

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman · 03-01-2018 02:02PM

Billy86 wrote: »

I reckon the Vikings will retain one of their current three (two, if Bridgewater can be returned relatively cheap), though with regards to the Jets I think Cousins would probably have a choice of several and if I were him that might be the very last team I'd go to after the Browns to be honest. Though he does turn 30 in the summer and apart from tag salaries (which hardly give any long term certainty) the last year or two he's never been on much money... so there is a chance a megabucks contract would be more likely to sway him than it would the average free agent QB.

I doubt money will be the issue for Cousins. He's made $50m over the last two years.

Billy86 · 03-01-2018 02:40PM

This is true, but if you've seen ESPN's 30 for 30 'Broke' documentary he's likely only seen a fraction of what remains of that $50mn after tax. If he signs a five year deal there's a very high likelihood that that's the last contract he ever signs as a pro (he could go on beyond 35, but it's far from guaranteed). Given that tags aren't really signing a contract (and a lot of players hate them despite the high money) and are only for one year, I'd imagine he'd like the security of a $120mn, 5-6 year type of contract (even if "contract security" in the NFL is a joke that probably shouldn't be legal).

raze_them_all_ · 03-01-2018 02:42PM

America you pay state and federal tax in most states, ****ers double dip on you

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman · 03-01-2018 02:44PM

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

America you pay state and federal tax in most states, ****ers double dip on you

And come out at around the same amount the government take from you here.

Cousins's take home from €50m is still around €25million.

Yes it's probably going to be his only big contract and given the market he's probably going to be the highest paid player in NFL history, just depends on who pays him at this point.

OldMrBrennan83 · 03-01-2018 02:45PM

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Billy86 · 03-01-2018 02:48PM

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

And come out at around the same amount the government take from you here.

Cousins's take home from €50m is still around €25million.

Yes it's probably going to be his only big contract and given the market he's probably going to be the highest paid player in NFL history, just depends on who pays him at this point.

Then you need to take away agents fees, management fees, etc etc and it's gone way down. Can't remember the specifics but I've a vague feeling off 'Broke' that it's something like half of your after tax earnings are what you typically get to hold on to as an NFL player. Now even then $12mn or so it a lot of money, but adding an extra $25+mn to it is a whole, whole lot more... esp if the family are being bought homes etc.

Really speculative figures in this post at best, but basically a $50mn contract is a good deal short of $25mn to the player after taxes and everything else.

boccy23 · 03-01-2018 02:50PM

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

America you pay state and federal tax in most states, ****ers double dip on you

There are states with no Income Tax such as Florida which make these states more attractive for professional sports people. Interesting article here on this on how much money Geancarlo Stanton gave up to move from Florida to New York:

https://www.fanragsports.com/heyman-heres-how-much-itll-cost-stanton-to-be-a-yankee/

Plus you always pay the appropriate tax on where the game is played and not where your home team is.

raze_them_all_ · 03-01-2018 02:50PM

Plus not every player is going to end up in tv coaching etc, so that 20 odd million has to do the rest of your life, 50 odd years, I know itsa still a lot of money, but who knows how he will spend it, badly/well he invests

Itssoeasy · 03-01-2018 07:53PM

The fifteen finalists for the 2018 hall of fame were announced with this being brought down to 5 modern era and up to two senior inductees and a contributors.

Hopefully Jerry Kramer gets in as a senior induction, Jerry was a member of the great Lombardi packers teams of the 1960s.

The modern day finalists are
linebacker Ray Lewis,
wide receiver Randy Moss,
wide receiver Terrell Owens,
offensive guard Steve Hutchinson,
offensive guard Brian Urlacher,
offensive tackle Tony Boselli,
wide receiver Isaac Bruce,
safety Brian Dawkins,
offensive guard Alan Faneca,
offensive tackle Joe Jacoby,
running back Edgerrin James,
cornerback Ty Law,
safety John Lynch,
center Kevin Mawae,
cornerback Everson Walls.

The five modern players I'd pick would be Randy moss, and TO as utter certs, and because you aren't meant to take the off the field stuff into account then ray Lewis as a football players deserves it, as a person not so much. And then being biased I'd put brian Dawkins in, and Isaac Bruce.

jack presley · 03-01-2018 07:56PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

The fifteen finalists for the 2018 hall of fame were announced with this being brought down to 5 modern era and up to two senior inductees and a contributors.

Hopefully Jerry Kramer gets in as a senior induction, Jerry was a member of the great Lombardi packers teams of the 1960s.

The modern day finalists are
linebacker Ray Lewis,
wide receiver Randy Moss,
wide receiver Terrell Owens,
offensive guard Steve Hutchinson,
offensive guard Brian Urlacher,
offensive tackle Tony Boselli,
wide receiver Isaac Bruce,
safety Brian Dawkins,
offensive guard Alan Faneca,
offensive tackle Joe Jacoby,
running back Edgerrin James,
cornerback Ty Law,
safety John Lynch,
center Kevin Mawae,
cornerback Everson Walls.

With my burgundy/gold tinted glasses on, I'd be hoping Joe Jacoby gets in. Probably not likely though.

Hococop · 03-01-2018 08:18PM

The whole ray Lewis thing, what is the story with that, I always thought it was his crew that murdered someone or did he do it?

raze_them_all_ · 03-01-2018 08:21PM

Hococop wrote: »

The whole ray Lewis thing, what is the story with that, I always thought it was his crew that murdered someone or did he do it?

Destoyed evidence iirc , a bloody suit or something

Billy86 · 03-01-2018 08:45PM

Lewis is an automatic one in, I think Owens or Bruce might get the nod but Moss is the most deserving WR for me - he's probably the most electrifying, dangerous, unstoppable and naturally talented player to ever play the spot and was ri-****ing-diculous for so much of his career. All that said Jerry Rice is of course the best WR of all time, but Moss was the biggest pure freak I might have seen at any position until Gronk and Watt came along, and even then it's hard to make a call.

Rice/Moss all time discussion is funny enough quite like Julio/Brown today, for me Julio is the more devastating and just flat out scary player to come up against but Brown is for me clearly the best WR of the last 3-4 years... so, so smart, so decisive, so well rounded, and just stupidly consistent. Random fact, 40 yards migth be somewhat quiet but Brown has only been held under than amount 3 times in the last 4 years (not including the Rams game as he got injured early enough if I recall), his last 4 seasons (6 games) in the playoffs are all over 70 yards and of them are over 100. Huge ask since it would take him close to 40, but another decade as he has been doing would probably make Brown the greatest of all time in my opinion (at WR, though Rice is often cited as the best player ever at any position, with the caveat all positions are created equal, e.g. not weighting for importance like QB).

Mawae was the union rep for a while if I recall and I've a strange memory of players lovign the guy, which might work in his favour. Would like to see Dawkins get it because, well, it's Brian Dawkins.

MightyMandarin · 03-01-2018 11:41PM

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

I doubt money will be the issue for Cousins. He's made $50m over the last two years.

You never know what players want. Some will cut their pay like Brady in order to make space for a better team, while others just want to make money or aren't as devoted to winning as he seems to be.

raze_them_all_ · 03-01-2018 11:45PM

MightyMandarin wrote: »

You never know what players want. Some will cut their pay like Brady in order to make space for a better team, while others just want to make money or aren't as devoted to winning as he seems to be.

Some players dont have a wife who earns more money a year than the top paid player in the league

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