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brookville · 18-12-2017 10:37AM

minty81 wrote: »

Who do the shamrocks put forward as u-21 captain for the county next year?

Joey cuddihy or darren mullen I'd say

Nedflanders02 · 18-12-2017 02:05PM

minty81 wrote: »

Just on the Kevin Fennnelly interview, he referenced the club chairman a couple of times. Is his brother Mick senior not club chairman?

No I think John Keneally was the chairman in 2017 but I'm open to correction on that

phkk · 18-12-2017 09:06PM

brookville wrote: »

minty81 wrote: »

Who do the shamrocks put forward as u-21 captain for the county next year?

Joey cuddihy or darren mullen I'd say

I can't imagine the latter being captain after that debacle

kilkennyboy · 18-12-2017 09:22PM

phkk wrote: »

I can't imagine the latter being captain after that debacle

21s is gone 20 now

PeterCasey · 18-12-2017 10:39PM

Will Ronan Corcoran be over age next year.

Topcat32 · 18-12-2017 11:03PM

kilkennyboy wrote: »

21s is gone 20 now

Thats just for football

Truth be told1974 · 19-12-2017 01:09AM

phkk wrote: »

I can't imagine the latter being captain after that debacle

What debacle....?

Club disiplines 3 x players....brothers and scion of established Shamrocks family.

Suspended players (and extended family) don't accept disipline...send a family representative to put their case forward on local KCLR and he gives the best case ever that some people should just be struck dumb.

Club manages to find & field 15 non disciplined players including one previously disciplined player..game goes ahead..

Team and club ride their luck, finally get some leeway with a ref who previously has been perceived as 'harsh' towards them. Village player sent off correctly but at least one Shamrocks player should have walked on two yellows.

A centre back scores 1-01 in last 3 x mins.

Shock win for the team shorn of it's stars...principles proved or karma prevailing...

PeterCasey · 19-12-2017 10:44AM

Do you put it down to the luck of the irish then.

babyjesus14 · 19-12-2017 02:08PM

PeterCasey wrote: »

Will Ronan Corcoran be over age next year.

Yep, Corcoran is over age. I would imagine Joey Cuddihy will be the nominated captain whether he will make the team is another question so Darren Mullen could end up as the match day captain by default!

tbiggertycome · 19-12-2017 07:51PM

babyjesus14 wrote: »

Yep, Corcoran is over age. I would imagine Joey Cuddihy will be the nominated captain whether he will make the team is another question so Darren Mullen could end up as the match day captain by default!

Well after what Darren said to DJ during a college match last week he might not be playing too much for the U21's.

babyjesus14 · 19-12-2017 08:13PM

tbiggertycome wrote: »

Well after what Darren said to DJ during a college match last week he might not be playing too much for the U21's.

I am sure there is hardly much that DJ hasn't had said to him during own playing career that would shock him at this stage, but it obviously shows a complete lack of respect!

JJs Left Hand · 19-12-2017 10:46PM

You're all such teases drip feeding information..

tbiggertycome · 20-12-2017 12:55AM

babyjesus14 wrote: »

I am sure there is hardly much that DJ hasn't had said to him during own playing career that would shock him at this stage, but it obviously shows a complete lack of respect!

I'm sure he's heard a hell of a lot worse but as you said it was the complete lack of respect for his manager for the coming year that would be an issue I would say. DJ's reply as he walked away was perfect though, "you may get used to this view" (of his back as Mullen would be in that stands watching him on the sideline.)
I'm sure DJ won't be petty about it and if he plays well he'll get on the team but he wasn't first choice last year. I don't see him being first choice this year to be honest, just purely from a hurling point of view. I think there's better at U21 in the half back line.

tbiggertycome · 20-12-2017 10:08AM

Unsurprisingly the Boro have selected Cillian Buckley as county Captain. Given the amount he's grown in the last few years I think he'll be a good captain and will lead by example.

brookville · 20-12-2017 11:31AM

tbiggertycome wrote: »

I'm sure he's heard a hell of a lot worse but as you said it was the complete lack of respect for his manager for the coming year that would be an issue I would say. DJ's reply as he walked away was perfect though, "you may get used to this view" (of his back as Mullen would be in that stands watching him on the sideline.)
I'm sure DJ won't be petty about it and if he plays well he'll get on the team but he wasn't first choice last year. I don't see him being first choice this year to be honest, just purely from a hurling point of view. I think there's better at U21 in the half back line.

I'm dissapointed to hear things were said and I know things are said in the heat of battle that aren't meant,maybe he apologiesed after the match we don't know.
Infairness to darren he was excellent against wexford this year albeit he was a spare man but he was dropped for the final for what I was told was discipline but his a lad I like.
Who would be in line for the hb line next year u21?

babyjesus14 · 20-12-2017 01:40PM

brookville wrote: »

I'm dissapointed to hear things were said and I know things are said in the heat of battle that aren't meant,maybe he apologiesed after the match we don't know.
Infairness to darren he was excellent against wexford this year albeit he was a spare man but he was dropped for the final for what I was told was discipline but his a lad I like.
Who would be in line for the hb line next year u21?

You'd be talking about the likes of Conor Doheny, Aidan Nolan, Tommy Walsh, Michael Cody, Darren Mullen, Cathal McGrath, Jordon Molloy (though probably a bit too small yet) and a possible bolter in Evan Shefflin based on the latter stages of the local under 21 campaign.

Cornerback1 · 20-12-2017 09:26PM

Is lack of discipline a bigger factor nowadays in comparison with a few years ago. Obviously I don't know the ins and outs of it but is the younger lads now more 'assertive' shall we say? Not many youth players would have given manners to managers a few years ago.

babyjesus14 · 20-12-2017 09:34PM

Cornerback1 wrote: »

Is lack of discipline a bigger factor nowadays in comparison with a few years ago. Obviously I don't know the ins and outs of it but is the younger lads now more 'assertive' shall we say? Not many youth players would have given manners to managers a few years ago.

Nope. I think a major issue now is social media. The days of "what happens on tour stays on tour" or "what happens inside the four walls of the dressing room stays there" seem to be well and truly gone. The Ballyragget celebrations being a prime example.

Cornerback1 · 20-12-2017 09:42PM

babyjesus14 wrote: »

Nope. I think a major issue now is social media. The days of "what happens on tour stays on tour" or "what happens inside the four walls of the dressing room stays there" seem to be well and truly gone. The Ballyragget celebrations being a prime example.

True, social media has a lot of advantages but it has also a lot to answer for as well!

Realt Dearg Sec · 20-12-2017 09:55PM

Cornerback1 wrote: »

Is lack of discipline a bigger factor nowadays in comparison with a few years ago. Obviously I don't know the ins and outs of it but is the younger lads now more 'assertive' shall we say? Not many youth players would have given manners to managers a few years ago.

I don't think so, people have always claimed that young lads these days aren't as respectful as they were in their day. It's the same with how tough people believe players are, how committed, etc. It's never as good as it used to be. And yet I remember lads being disrespectful to our managers growing up, lads needing a kick in the hole, lads who didn't think they needed to bother with training (and managers who proved them right).

Marble man · 20-12-2017 10:27PM

Truth be told1974 wrote: »

What debacle....?

Club disiplines 3 x players....brothers and scion of established Shamrocks family.

Suspended players (and extended family) don't accept disipline...send a family representative to put their case forward on local KCLR and he gives the best case ever that some people should just be struck dumb.

Club manages to find & field 15 non disciplined players including one previously disciplined player..game goes ahead..

Team and club ride their luck, finally get some leeway with a ref who previously has been perceived as 'harsh' towards them. Village player sent off correctly but at least one Shamrocks player should have walked on two yellows.

A centre back scores 1-01 in last 3 x mins.

Shock win for the team shorn of it's stars...principles proved or karma prevailing...

A lot of ill informed nonsense being spoken on here about this whole subject. People would want to get there facts straight before jumping on the hate bandwagon. These are young fellas who went out for a night with there relation who got married on the Saturday. They went out on the Sunday night. The match had been canceled due to snow earlier that day. I think they would have been the first to admit they might not have made a great call going out that night. When the whole thing blew up they were more than willing to take their punishment of being dropped and taking there place on the bench like had been done with a player a few weeks previous for a similar incident. For some reason the club however wanted to punish these lads far more severely than any previous cases and informed them by text that they were suspended and not allowed tog out and were banished to the stand for the match. No hearing no proper Gaa procedures followed at all. To add insult to injury not one of the management or club officials could be contacted to try and explain this punishment. If anyone on here tries to tell me that’s not harsh and totally wrong on those young guys they are having a laugh. There are no winners in this and in case you are wondering I am a friend of the family, a very decent family and a shamrocks member but there are two sides to every story and what’s being said on here is totally unwarranted and should stop.

Truth be told1974 · 20-12-2017 11:02PM

Marble man wrote: »

A lot of ill informed nonsense being spoken on here about this whole subject. People would want to get there facts straight before jumping on the hate bandwagon. These are young fellas who went out for a night with there relation who got married on the Saturday. They went out on the Sunday night. The match had been canceled due to snow earlier that day. I think they would have been the first to admit they might not have made a great call going out that night. When the whole thing blew up they were more than willing to take their punishment of being dropped and taking there place on the bench like had been done with a player a few weeks previous for a similar incident. For some reason the club however wanted to punish these lads far more severely than any previous cases and informed them by text that they were suspended and not allowed tog out and were banished to the stand for the match. No hearing no proper Gaa procedures followed at all. To add insult to injury not one of the management or club officials could be contacted to try and explain this punishment. If anyone on here tries to tell me that’s not harsh and totally wrong on those young guys they are having a laugh. There are no winners in this and in case you are wondering I am a friend of the family, a very decent family and a shamrocks member but there are two sides to every story and what’s being said on here is totally unwarranted and should stop.

You are 100% right that the three lads have to be hurting, watching their team mates last Sunday.

I heard the 'bigger' punishment was because the three lads were fully aware of the previous disciplinary action taken against another player and still did what they did. They certainly drew the short straw with Final being postponed (weather) and effecting a wedding they probably had been looking forward to for months but that was when they should have been disciplined but they were not.

Again, the clubs U21 management had resigned because of this situation so what were the club to do, back the U21 management (who had the support of the other players) or ignore it, I'd imagjne nobody would take a trainer / manager job there next year if the club had not acted?

It's all a great pity for everybody involved, it remains to see if the split will be permanent or some cooler heads on both sides will step forward?

I knew Kevin Fennelly on KCLR turned people who thought the club should look for a solution with the three lads firmly into the club's corner.

larrya · 21-12-2017 12:11AM

Marble man wrote: »

A lot of ill informed nonsense being spoken on here about this whole subject. People would want to get there facts straight before jumping on the hate bandwagon. These are young fellas who went out for a night with there relation who got married on the Saturday. They went out on the Sunday night. The match had been canceled due to snow earlier that day. I think they would have been the first to admit they might not have made a great call going out that night. When the whole thing blew up they were more than willing to take their punishment of being dropped and taking there place on the bench like had been done with a player a few weeks previous for a similar incident. For some reason the club however wanted to punish these lads far more severely than any previous cases and informed them by text that they were suspended and not allowed tog out and were banished to the stand for the match. No hearing no proper Gaa procedures followed at all. To add insult to injury not one of the management or club officials could be contacted to try and explain this punishment. If anyone on here tries to tell me that’s not harsh and totally wrong on those young guys they are having a laugh. There are no winners in this and in case you are wondering I am a friend of the family, a very decent family and a shamrocks member but there are two sides to every story and what’s being said on here is totally unwarranted and should stop.

As a friend of the family I'm sure you will then know that this was not the first time this year that these players have made this mistake.

PeterCasey · 21-12-2017 12:52AM

tbiggertycome wrote: »

Unsurprisingly the Boro have selected Cillian Buckley as county Captain. Given the amount he's grown in the last few years I think he'll be a good captain and will lead by example.

The best of luck to him a credit to club county.

PeterCasey · 22-12-2017 12:24AM

Its good to see PJ Ryan back in our corner,he will give a hundred percent when he takes up his position in January with the Co. Board.

Mankbag · 22-12-2017 09:23PM

Marble man wrote: »

A lot of ill informed nonsense being spoken on here about this whole subject. People would want to get there facts straight before jumping on the hate bandwagon. These are young fellas who went out for a night with there relation who got married on the Saturday. They went out on the Sunday night. The match had been canceled due to snow earlier that day. I think they would have been the first to admit they might not have made a great call going out that night. When the whole thing blew up they were more than willing to take their punishment of being dropped and taking there place on the bench like had been done with a player a few weeks previous for a similar incident. For some reason the club however wanted to punish these lads far more severely than any previous cases and informed them by text that they were suspended and not allowed tog out and were banished to the stand for the match. No hearing no proper Gaa procedures followed at all. To add insult to injury not one of the management or club officials could be contacted to try and explain this punishment. If anyone on here tries to tell me that’s not harsh and totally wrong on those young guys they are having a laugh. There are no winners in this and in case you are wondering I am a friend of the family, a very decent family and a shamrocks member but there are two sides to every story and what’s being said on here is totally unwarranted and should stop.

"No hearing, no proper GAA procedures followed at all."

Sorry, what are you on about? This wasn't a court of law or even a GAA disciplinary case. There were NO GAA procedures to be followed. The management - like any management - were entitled to drop whoever they wanted to. It happens all the time in clubs all over the country.

savannahkat · 24-12-2017 04:26PM

Thanks to all contributors from one who really appreciates their news comments and opinions. When one lives away from home it is not so easy to keep up to date with what is happening locally but you lot make it a lot easier. Thanks again.
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Cornerback1 · 24-12-2017 11:04PM

Besst Wishes to everyone over the festive period. Enjoy and Keep safe!

brookville · 25-12-2017 12:15AM

Cornerback1 wrote: »

Besst Wishes to everyone over the festive period. Enjoy and Keep safe!

Exactly happy Christmas to everyone

Realt Dearg Sec · 25-12-2017 04:53PM

savannahkat wrote: »

Thanks to all contributors from one who really appreciates their news comments and opinions. When one lives away from home it is not so easy to keep up to date with what is happening locally but you lot make it a lot easier. Thanks again.
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Agreed, this thread is a big connection when you're abroad, particularly for keeping up with the club scene.

Luckily I'm in the holy ground of Kilkenny for Christmas though, hopefully you're all as lucky, have a happy one, and looking forward to getting the all Ireland back next year and all the arguments we'll have in the meantime.

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