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  • #1532
    Bridge93
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    Which of the Ulster/Munster/Connacht systems would be deemed to have the best talent in their ranks currently?


  • #1533
    irishfan9
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    Bridge93 wrote: »
    Which of the Ulster/Munster/Connacht systems would be deemed to have the best talent in their ranks currently?

    pretty close between Munster/Ulster... hard to call


  • #1534
    The Lost Sheep
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    MDunne14 wrote: »
    Not many of them ballinasloe lads actually play for ballinasloe they all are in garbally in fifth or sixth, Colm Reilly has moved to Buccs in last year also as most ballinasloe lads do
    They do. They may be in Garbally but will also be playing club rugby in Ballinasloe/Buccs
    Bridge93 wrote: »
    Which of the Ulster/Munster/Connacht systems would be deemed to have the best talent in their ranks currently?
    Ulster and Munster might be sightly ahead of Connacht but Leinster arent definitely ahead of both Ulster/Munster


  • #1535
    irishfan9
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    They do. They may be in Garbally but will also be playing club rugby in Ballinasloe/Buccs

    Ulster and Munster might be sightly ahead of Connacht but Leinster arent definitely ahead of both Ulster/Munster

    slightly ahead of Connacht?

    They are well ahead.


  • #1536
    Mr Shikadance
    Closed Accounts Posts: 78 ✭✭Mr Shikadance


    irishfan9 wrote: »
    Mr Shikadance wrote: »
    I don't suppose you have similar views or details on the Connacht academy and sub-academy?

    Not sure if you have that view or just relating to Leinster's?

    Thanks in advance.

    MS

    Connacht Academy

    Year 3
    Conan O'Donnell(Prop/Buccaneers)
    Conor Kyne(Prop/Galwegians)

    Year 2
    Conor Kenny(Prop/Buccaneers)
    Peter Claffey(Lock/Buccaneers)
    Cillian Gallagher(Lock/Corinthians)
    Stephen Kerins(Scrumhalf/Corinthians)
    Adam Leavy(Back three/Lansdowne)
    Matthew Byrne(Back three/Terenure)

    Year 1
    Matthew Burke(Prop/Corinthians)
    Paul Boyle(Backrow/Buccaneers)
    Sean Masterson(Backrow/Corinthians)
    Harley Fox(Backrow/?)
    Ryan Feehily(Scrumhalf/Sligo)
    Luke Carty(Outhalf/Buccaneers)
    Kieran Joyce(Centre/Corinthians)
    Jordan Conroy(Back three/Buccaneers)
    Colm de Buitléar(Back three/An Ghaeltacht/Corinthians)

    Connacht Sub Academy

    Ryan Lomas(Prop/Buccaneers)
    Brian Diffley(Prop/Buccaneers)
    Kuba Woitijowicz(Prop/Sligo)
    Liam Winnett(Prop/Buccanners)

    Callum Torpey(Hooker/Exile)
    Dylan Tierney(Hooker/Corinthians)

    Niall Murray(2nd Row/Buccaneers)
    Iarlaith Morrin Laheen(2nd Row/Galwegians)
    Darragh Murray(2nd Row/Buccaneers)

    Neal Moylett(Backrow/Ballina)
    Christian Nielson(Backrow/Sligo)
    Oisin McCormack(Backrow/Ballinasloe)
    Cian Huxford(Backrow/Corinthians)
    Andrew Murphy(Backrow/Blackrock)

    Richie Fahy(Scrumhalf/Blackrock)
    Colm Reilly(Scrumhalf/Ballinasloe)
    Ryan Feehily(Scrumhalf/Sligo)
    Rory Gaffney(Scrumhalf/Galwegians)

    Morgan Codyre(Outhalf/Galwegians)
    Diarmuid Codyre(OuthalfGalwegians)
    Dylan Prendergast(Outhalf/Westport)
    Cian Treacy(Outhalf/Ballinasloe)

    Shane Jennings(Outside Back/Ballinasloe)
    Saul O'Carroll(Outside Back/Buccaneers)
    Mark Balaski(Outside Back/Castlebar)
    Corey Reid(Outside Back/Buccaneers)
    Conor O'Shaughnessy(Outside Back/Galwegians)
    Hugh Lane(Outside Back/Galwegians)
    Michael O'Reilly(Outside Back/Corinthians)

    Thank you!

    Any idea who the next Robbie Henshaw types might be?

    I have heard good things about the Murray brothers at 2nd row.

    Also Cian Huxford.

    You also seem to rate the Connacht Academy as the weakest in the country. Although it has produced reasonably well for us. Is that down largely to the smaller player pool and much weaker schools game?

    Cheers.


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  • #1537
    irishfan9
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    Mr Shikadance wrote: »
    Thank you!

    Any idea who the next Robbie Henshaw types might be?

    I have heard good things about the Murray brothers at 2nd row.

    Also Cian Huxford.

    You also seem to rate the Connacht Academy as the weakest in the country. Although it has produced reasonably well for us. Is that down largely to the smaller player pool and much weaker schools game?

    Cheers.

    the underage system is the weakest as there is less player playing the game etc.

    A lot of homegrown players have went through the Connacht academy in recent years and not been deemed good enough for Connacht senior team.

    in terms of potential star players from connacht system - Cillian Gallagher is by far the most obvious candidate.

    a back maybe Hugh Lane.


  • #1538
    The Lost Sheep
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    Mr Shikadance wrote: »
    Thank you!

    Any idea who the next Robbie Henshaw types might be?

    I have heard good things about the Murray brothers at 2nd row.

    Also Cian Huxford.

    You also seem to rate the Connacht Academy as the weakest in the country. Although it has produced reasonably well for us. Is that down largely to the smaller player pool and much weaker schools game?

    Cheers.
    Cant really say anything like who will be next Robbie Hensahaw as he's as once in generation style player
    Connacht have smaller playing pool and the schools dont have resources of schools elsewhere. But the clubs and schools work together far better than schools and clubs anywhere else in the country which is a great help to player development..


  • #1539
    Mr Shikadance
    Closed Accounts Posts: 78 ✭✭Mr Shikadance


    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    Mr Shikadance wrote: »
    Thank you!

    Any idea who the next Robbie Henshaw types might be?

    I have heard good things about the Murray brothers at 2nd row.

    Also Cian Huxford.

    You also seem to rate the Connacht Academy as the weakest in the country. Although it has produced reasonably well for us. Is that down largely to the smaller player pool and much weaker schools game?

    Cheers.
    Cant really say anything like who will be next Robbie Hensahaw as he's as once in generation style player
    Connacht have smaller playing pool and the schools dont have resources of schools elsewhere. But the clubs and schools work together far better than schools and clubs anywhere else in the country which is a great help to player development..

    No I can appreciate that. I guess Gallagher is the next big hope.

    We do seem to offload far more in the academy in the last few years, which does support the feeling that the pool may not be suitably strong enough at times.

    I suppose too we see evidence in u19/ u20 national squads.

    As long as every avenue and resource is being utilised that is all we can ask. Huge competition with the GAA.


  • #1540
    ClanofLams
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    The Connacht Academy is the healthiest it has been in a fair while imo. Gallagher is definitely the standout but out of the 17 other Academy guys, would be hopeful of 5/6 having long term careers with Connacht.


  • #1541
    MDunne14
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    Jack O’Mahony glenstal/Shannon is also in the connacht sub academy and Irish u19 squad


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  • #1542
    case885
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    MDunne14 wrote: »
    Jack O’Mahony glenstal/Shannon is also in the connacht sub academy and Irish u19 squad
    Overlooked by Munster or is he a Connacht man boarding?


  • #1543
    MDunne14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 413 ✭✭MDunne14


    case885 wrote: »
    MDunne14 wrote: »
    Jack O’Mahony glenstal/Shannon is also in the connacht sub academy and Irish u19 squad
    Overlooked by Munster or is he a Connacht man boarding?

    Was in the Munster schools extended squad last year and after a good sct campaign was overlooked by Munster 19s.. went onto score 3 tries in 3 interpros for connacht


  • #1544
    irishfan9
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    ClanofLams wrote: »
    The Connacht Academy is the healthiest it has been in a fair while imo. Gallagher is definitely the standout but out of the 17 other Academy guys, would be hopeful of 5/6 having long term careers with Connacht.

    Who are they?


  • #1545
    Bazzo
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    irishfan9 wrote: »
    Who are they?

    Plenty of players who could make it... Gallagher, Claffey, Kerins, O'Donnell, Fox, Carty, Conroy, Masterson


  • #1546
    irishfan9
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    Bazzo wrote: »
    Plenty of players who could make it... Gallagher, Claffey, Kerins, O'Donnell, Fox, Carty, Conroy, Masterson

    well all the academy players should have the potential to make it...


  • #1547
    Bazzo
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    irishfan9 wrote: »
    well all the academy players should have the potential to make it...

    Off the top of my head those are obviously the ones I consider to have the best chance...


  • #1548
    irishfan9
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    Bazzo wrote: »
    Off the top of my head those are obviously the ones I consider to have the best chance...

    I'd rate Boyle well ahead of Fox.

    Probably agree about the rest.


  • #1549
    irishfan9
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    Munster Academy Update

    Props
    JP Phelan(Year 3/Garryowen) - released from academy earlier this season. Trending: N/A
    Liam O'Connor(Year 3/Cork) - regular first team player prior to injury. Trending: UP
    Joey Conway(Year 1/UL Bohs) - injury interrupted season. Trending: Even
    Rob O'Donovan(Year 1/UCC) - joined academy earlier this season. Trending: UP

    Hooker
    Vincent O'Brien(Year 2/Cork Con) - hasn't played much this season. Trending: Down

    Locks
    Sean O'Connor(Year 2/Garryowen) - has impressed for senior team when given opportunities. Trending: UP
    Fineen Wycherley(Year 2/Young Munster) - quieter season than expected. Trending: Even

    Back Row
    Gavin Coombes(Year 2/Young Munster) - quieter season than expected. Trending: Even
    John Foley(Year 2/Shannon) - injury delayed season, not progressing as quickly as expected. Trending: Even
    Jack O'Sullivan(Year 1/UCC) - injury delayed season, how involved he will be with Ireland u20 up for debate. Trending: Even

    9's
    Jack Stafford(Year 1/Shannon) - made senior team debut. Trending: Up
    Craig Casey(Year 1/Shannon) - injured all season. Trending: N/A

    10's
    Conor Fitzgerald(Year 1/Shannon) - having a strong season for Shannon. Trending: UP
    Alan Tynan(Year 1/Young Munster) - injury delayed season, not progressing as quickly as expected. Trending: Even

    Centre
    Shane Daly(Year 2/Cork Con) - heavily involved with Ireland 7's, not making much of an impact with Munster. Trending: Down
    Alex McHenry(Year 1/Cork Con) - heavily involved with Ireland 7's, not making much of an impact with Munster. Trending: Even

    Back Three
    Calvin Nash(Year 2/Young Munster) - has played for senior team and registered for europe. Trending: UP
    Jack Power(Year 1/Clontarf) - hard to know what to expect from him at Munster. Trending: Even
    Liam Coombes(Year 1/Garryowen) - strong AIL season for Garryowen. Trending: Even
    Daniel Hurley(Year 1/Young Munster) - injury delayed season, how involved he will be with Ireland u20 up for debate. Trending: Even
    James McCarthy(Year 1/UL Bohs) - hasn't played due to injury. Trending: N/A


  • #1550
    Bazzo
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    irishfan9 wrote: »
    I'd rate Boyle well ahead of Fox.

    Probably agree about the rest.

    Forgot about Boyle, good prospect alright. I've a feeling there are high hopes for Fox, I think he was given a three year contract rather than the new standard rolling one year ones.


  • #1551
    Mr Shikadance
    Closed Accounts Posts: 78 ✭✭Mr Shikadance


    Bazzo wrote: »
    Forgot about Boyle, good prospect alright. I've a feeling there are high hopes for Fox, I think he was given a three year contract rather than the new standard rolling one year ones.

    Has anyone seen Fox play?

    What club is he playing with?


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  • #1552
    irishfan9
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    Bazzo wrote: »
    Forgot about Boyle, good prospect alright. I've a feeling there are high hopes for Fox, I think he was given a three year contract rather than the new standard rolling one year ones.

    Boyle is actually playing for Connacht and captaining the Eagles.

    Fox wasn't good enough in Oz.


  • #1553
    Wegians89
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    irishfan9 wrote: »
    Boyle is actually playing for Connacht and captaining the Eagles.

    Fox wasn't good enough in Oz.

    The aussies were pretty annoyed he left I think, him leaving isn't odd with all the sh*t going on in Australian rugby and franchises being closed up


  • #1554
    ClanofLams
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    irishfan9 wrote: »
    Who are they?

    O’Donnell
    Kenny
    Boyle
    Masterson
    Carty

    There’s plenty of prospects amongst the rest too.


  • #1555
    MDunne14
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    Conroy won’t he’s great in space going forward but won’t get that space at pro rugby and his defence positional awareness and skills are average to be honest.. very late to be joining year 1 of the academy at 22/23


  • #1556
    MDunne14
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    O’Donnell has gone back big time since underage performs poor in ail most weeks


  • #1557
    Wegians89
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    MDunne14 wrote: »
    O’Donnell has gone back big time since underage performs poor in ail most weeks

    Is he not just back from a pretty long term injury? Could it just be a bit of injury rustiness?


  • #1558
    The Lost Sheep
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    MDunne14 wrote: »
    Conroy won’t he’s great in space going forward but won’t get that space at pro rugby and his defence positional awareness and skills are average to be honest.. very late to be joining year 1 of the academy at 22/23
    He only look up rugby at 18 so joining academy is right call because he simply doesnt have enough rugby in him and can develop the defence, postional awareness and skills. His ability going forward is worth the wait and the work.


  • #1559
    FACECUTTR
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    He only look up rugby at 18 so joining academy is right call because he simply doesnt have enough rugby in him and can develop the defence, postional awareness and skills. His ability going forward is worth the wait and the work.

    Could be another Adeoloukan


  • #1560
    MDunne14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 413 ✭✭MDunne14


    Potentially but imo the academy contract was more to get him into a professional enironment to peak for 7s as he only started playing rugby a few years ago unlike other 7s players who have played age grade for provinces and a lot of them in the academy .. has only played once this year in ail


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  • #1561
    irishfan9
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    Conroy won't make it.
    And unfortunately I think that injury has affected O'Donnell, now he is very much a doubt IMO


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