Why did Gardai destroy possible burial site of Irelands longest missing child?

by8auj6csd3ioq · 07-12-2017 09:42PM

In 93 or 94 there was a story in one of the tabloids. a friend of mine wrote a song lyric about it but he became ill and did not do anything with it. Very surprised some in Donegal have not heard of her

Creol1 · 07-12-2017 10:04PM

I came across a post on politics.ie that had links to two or three old documentaries about the case, but I couldn't find the post in question when I tried to look there.

julyjane · 09-12-2017 09:48PM

I read an interview in RSVP magazine with Margo O'Donnell and she mentioned that she no longer sees any of her brothers or sisters. Is that because of this campaign?

Creol1 · 09-12-2017 10:41PM

julyjane wrote: »

I read an interview in RSVP magazine with Margo O'Donnell and she mentioned that she no longer sees any of her brothers or sisters. Is that because of this campaign?

Probably not as she is a member of the extended family and I don't think her own immediate family are involved.

oranbhoy67 · 10-12-2017 01:59AM

julyjane wrote: »

I read an interview in RSVP magazine with Margo O'Donnell and she mentioned that she no longer sees any of her brothers or sisters. Is that because of this campaign?

is this out just now?

to answer you, no it isn't, I honestly don't know why she fell out with them and I only knew she had fallen out with Daniel
as the poster above mentions the O Donnells are distant relatives, Our grannies were cousins, or something along those lines but as it was a small island they grew up on I suppose everyone was like an extended family I have never met Margo for example and I've only met Daniel twice, first after he sang in the local chapel when I was over on holiday as a Kid before he ever had a record out, and about a decade ago when I was working on his house he arrived and I ntroduced myself and he knew my famliy and had a very short conversation.

Did Margo mention Mary at all in the interview at all, I am really appreciative that she kept the hunt for truth going all through these decades, but I think her head has been turned off late by certain people & she should now enjoy her retirement.

Hopefully, now we have something tangible printed by the mainstream media that this case can gain more traction on that front,
Certainly, it puts an end to the lie that the MSM are colluding in some way not to report it.

Gemma O Doherty hasnt mentioned the case anywhere that I can see at all since the revelation of the cardigan being found, so hopefully, she has moved on and lets us as a family campaign as we wish without outside manipulation and we can thank her for documentary and wish her well in her future works.

oranbhoy67 · 10-12-2017 02:01AM

Creol1 wrote: »

I came across a post on politics.ie that had links to two or three old documentaries about the case, but I couldn't find the post in question when I tried to look there.

politics.ie had a thread as big as this one id say, before the documentary came out, which I had only started reading, unfortunately, due to people forever posting names & arguing etc it was locked and seems to have been deleted

chasm · 10-12-2017 05:30AM

oranbhoy67 wrote: »

politics.ie had a thread as big as this one id say, before the documentary came out, which I had only started reading, unfortunately, due to people forever posting names & arguing etc it was locked and seems to have been deleted

Is it this thread Oranbhoy67?http://www.politics.ie/forum/justice/248930-there-cover-up-mary-boyle-case.html

oranbhoy67 · 10-12-2017 09:57PM

chasm wrote: »

Is it this thread Oranbhoy67?http://www.politics.ie/forum/justice/248930-there-cover-up-mary-boyle-case.html

yes, that looks like it, thanks!

my browser won't let me on any other page though, ill try it through the mobile browser

*Edit*
got it working now I just had to clear cookies

oranbhoy67 · 10-12-2017 10:22PM

And it's gone again , and doing the same on my mobile browser, pity too as I'd like to read it, I have no other issues online at all but I'll try a different browser too see if I have any more luck

oranbhoy67 · 10-12-2017 11:11PM

finally managed to read thru the last few months of posts on that forum on my "edge" browser, It doesn't seem to like chrome.

Its painfully obvious who the poster "cillit bang" is in real life.. and just like the person who I think it is, they also haven't posted anything about Mary on there since the revelation of the cardigan being found 2 weeks ago.

by8auj6csd3ioq · 10-12-2017 11:54PM

who is "cillit bang" ? seems very pro gemma and argumentative. pm if you do not want post

Politics.ie works fine on firefox https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all/ make sure to get the 32 bit one if your pc is 32 bit and 64 bit if 64

by8auj6csd3ioq · 10-12-2017 11:57PM

in fairness it was gemma's doc that alerted the two cardigan men as i understand events

oranbhoy67 · 11-12-2017 03:01AM

Addilynn Wooden Saloon wrote: »

in fairness it was gemma's doc that alerted the two cardigan men as i understand events

I wont take away from Gemmas doc for re-igniting interest in Marys case, but a lot of her behaviour since has been deeply suspect, including telling the guy who contacted her from the 2 that found the cardigan that their evidence wasn't worth going to the gards with and that their info would indeed hamper the case, it was only lucky someone else alerted us about this a year later.

Her silence on the matter since has also been deafening. Surely she should be happy now that the Mainstream media have been reporting on it?

As for who "Cillit Bang" is? well I cant say for certain but it seems pretty obvious to me.

by8auj6csd3ioq · 11-12-2017 11:21AM

I wont take away from Gemmas doc for re-igniting interest in Marys case, but a lot of her behaviour since has been deeply suspect, including telling the guy who contacted her from the 2 that found the cardigan that their evidence wasn't worth going to the gards with and that their info would indeed hamper the case, it was only lucky someone else alerted us about this a year later.

Her silence on the matter since has also been deafening. Surely she should be happy now that the Mainstream media have been reporting on it?

Didn't know that that finishes any little respect i had for her

by8auj6csd3ioq · 29-12-2017 07:32PM

Any news? Gemma says "Ex sergeant Martin Collins has once again stated that Ann Boyle knows what happened to her daughter " but i only see her statement. Did he give another interview to her or someone else

oranbhoy67 · 15-01-2018 10:35PM

Addilynn Wooden Saloon wrote: »

Any news? Gemma says "Ex sergeant Martin Collins has once again stated that Ann Boyle knows what happened to her daughter " but i only see her statement. Did he give another interview to her or someone else

I spoke to Sgt Collins recently for the first time ever, he is stung by what he feels was the criticism of colleague(s) in the documentary. And said he has now "washed his hands clean of the case"

But he left me in no doubt of who he KNOWS killed Mary that day and needless to say that nothing has changed in my opinion now on that front, hearing it from himself has only strengthened my resolve.

We are having a Peaceful vigil outside the Donegal Coroners office on Saturday, March the 10th, its Millbrae Surgery, Stranolar, County Donegal and all are welcome, we will be there from 10 AM - 1 PM, we will hand in a private letter to Dr McCauley asking him again that he convene an inquest into what happened to Mary ASAP and we will also be handing a printed off version of an online petition that we have been running to try and get him to start said inquest .

For a link to the petition - please sign and share
https://www.change.org/p/justice-for-mary-boyle-call-on-donegal-coroner-dr-denis-mccauley-to-convene-an-inquest-into-mary-boyle-s-death

dense · 16-01-2018 12:16PM

oranbhoy67 wrote: »

I spoke to Sgt Collins recently for the first time ever, he is stung by what he feels was the criticism of colleague(s) in the documentary. And said he has now "washed his hands clean of the case"

A retired garda, with deep knowledge of the case, is highly upset that his buddies have got some harsh criticism over how they ALL blundered through the case at the time.

So, a way to make things right for everyone involved is for him now to "wash his hands clean of the case".

His loyalty to the force is highly commendable, even decades later.

It's no surprise that the public has washed it's hands clean of the chaotic self serving culture of the force.

clfy39tzve8njq · 16-01-2018 02:34PM

oranbhoy67 wrote:

I spoke to Sgt Collins recently for the first time ever, he is stung by what he feels was the criticism of colleague(s) in the documentary. And said he has now "washed his hands clean of the case"

That's simply not good enough from an ex member of the force who worked on the case.
It's not about his or his colleagues feelings it's about justice for a little girl.

by8auj6csd3ioq · 16-01-2018 02:42PM

I spoke to Sgt Collins recently for the first time ever, he is stung by what he feels was the criticism of colleague(s) in the documentary. And said he has now "washed his hands clean of the case"

why did he take part in the documentary so? Surely he knew what he was saying, does he feel his views were in some way misrepresented or taken out of context by the editing?

tayto lover · 16-01-2018 04:23PM

I think it's time for Mary's mother to come out and say what she knows. She is the key in all this.

dense · 16-01-2018 06:34PM

Addilynn Wooden Saloon wrote: »

why did he take part in the documentary so?

Darn good question.

He felt that he could do some good possibly?
But now he's let a lot of people down.

He doesn't seem to have thought things out very well at all.

He was once seen as a knight in shining armour on the cusp of actually doing something other than engaging in the usual "vehicle-speak" so beloved of the uniform.

He could have made representations to the Garda Commissioner, the Minister, the Coroner, but didn't.

He and the gardai appear as rabbits caught in the headlights now, looking for a hole in a ditch to hide in.

And there's no point in him whinging and blaming O Doherty either, she's a tiny cog in this whole affair.

dense · 16-01-2018 06:38PM

tayto lover wrote: »

I think it's time for Mary's mother to come out and say what she knows. She is the key in all this.

Why would she? At this stage???

It's time for the gardai to act.

tayto lover · 16-01-2018 06:40PM

dense wrote: »

Why would she? At this stage???

It's time for the gardai to act.

She seems to know what they don't. She is very silent.

clfy39tzve8njq · 16-01-2018 07:51PM

tayto lover wrote:

She seems to know what they don't. She is very silent.

They know too

tayto lover · 16-01-2018 08:58PM

Jaylah Grumpy Pile wrote: »

They know too

They may suspect but she was at the farm the day Mary went missing.
The answer is within the family imo.

oranbhoy67 · 17-01-2018 05:25AM

dense wrote: »

Darn good question.

He felt that he could do some good possibly?
But now he's let a lot of people down.

He doesn't seem to have thought things out very well at all.

He was once seen as a knight in shining armour on the cusp of actually doing something other than engaging in the usual "vehicle-speak" so beloved of the uniform.

He could have made representations to the Garda Commissioner, the Minister, the Coroner, but didn't.

He and the gardai appear as rabbits caught in the headlights now, looking for a hole in a ditch to hide in.

And there's no point in him whinging and blaming O Doherty either, she's a tiny cog in this whole affair.

Agreed, anyone who has had a read of this thread will know I'm not Gemma's number 1 fan, but she actually has released a video of him saying exactly what he alluded to in the documentary

Id wager a guess that his ex-colleagues may have got on his back also. is there an association for retired gards or something? I just hope his bitterness about the documentary didn't stop him or his colleague telling the serious crime review team what they think .

by8auj6csd3ioq · 17-01-2018 05:09PM

@oranbhoy67 Did the other garda from the documentary say why he changed his statement

oranbhoy67 · 17-01-2018 07:10PM

Addilynn Wooden Saloon wrote: »

@oranbhoy67 Did the other garda from the documentary say why he changed his statement

I have been told he has been not in the best shape recently and has been hospitalised.

tayto lover · 17-01-2018 09:06PM

oranbhoy67 wrote: »

Agreed, anyone who has had a read of this thread will know I'm not Gemma's number 1 fan, but she actually has released a video of him saying exactly what he alluded to in the documentary

Id wager a guess that his ex-colleagues may have got on his back also. is there an association for retired gards or something? I just hope his bitterness about the documentary didn't stop him or his colleague telling the serious crime review team what they think .

I'm afraid that "what you think" holds no sway in law.
Only what you can prove as fact.

What you think can only point investigators in a particular direction and one which can unfortunately be wrong and then you lose credibility.

oranbhoy67 · 17-01-2018 10:22PM

tayto lover wrote: »

I'm afraid that "what you think" holds no sway in law.
Only what you can prove as fact.

What you think can only point investigators in a particular direction and one which can unfortunately be wrong and then you lose credibility.

credibility isn't something that Donegal Gardai haven't exactly smothered themselves in during the years

Why did Gardai destroy possible burial site of Irelands longest missing child?

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