Why did Gardai destroy possible burial site of Irelands longest missing child?

Creol1

I saw that. When she first posted it up on Twitter, she got a number of negative comments along the lines of "Will you stop these endless tantalising titbits that amount to nothing?" but she seems to have deleted the critical comments rather than answering them. So much for free speech and transparency.

Telling people to buy the magazine to find out rather than, for example, posting a screenshot of the article so everyone could read it is pretty crass in the context of a serious ongoing investigation.

I was not going to give in by buying a copy of the magazine, so I picked a copy off the shelf in a shop and read the beginning and end of the article in the knowledge that these would contain the most important points. It seemed to be basically speculative with questions such as "why did Mountbatten not have more security with him?", typical of the sort of leading questions used to advance groundless conspiracies.

We can be all but certain that Mary Boyle was murdered and those who have looked into the case know where the evidence points. However, the idea that she was sexually assaulted and the killing was motivated to cover this up is just speculation. Adding some Anglo-Irish paedophile ring into the equation is simply piling speculation upon speculation and is not helpful.

Regarding the case generally, it is interesting to note that the JoJo Dullard case -- also subject to an alleged cover-up -- seems as though it might be going somewhere, with Gardaí apparently taking the testimony of Miss Dullard's sister seriously. If this signals a renewed willingness to confront the past and get to the bottom of such cases, there could be implications for the Mary Boyle case. The way Gardaí came out in force when Gemma O'Doherty tried to question Mary's uncle Gerry Gallagher makes clear that there's no sign of a shift in Donegal, but if the Gardaí are forced to own up to their failures in another case, this could lead to renewed focus on cases such as Mary Boyle's.

Kenny Logins

Creol1 wrote: »

I saw that. When she first posted it up on Twitter, she got a number of negative comments along the lines of "Will you stop these endless tantalising titbits that amount to nothing?" but she seems to have deleted the critical comments rather than answering them. So much for free speech and transparency.

You can't delete somebody else's Twitter comments.

Creol1

Kenny Logins wrote: »

You can't delete somebody else's Twitter comments.

Thanks.

dense

Creol1 wrote: »

I saw that. When she first posted it up on Twitter, she got a number of negative comments along the lines of "Will you stop these endless tantalising titbits that amount to nothing?" but she seems to have deleted the critical comments rather than answering them. So much for free speech and transparency.

Telling people to buy the magazine to find out rather than, for example, posting a screenshot of the article so everyone could read it is pretty crass in the context of a serious ongoing investigation.

I was not going to give in by buying a copy of the magazine, so I picked a copy off the shelf in a shop and read the beginning and end of the article in the knowledge that these would contain the most important points. It seemed to be basically speculative with questions such as "why did Mountbatten not have more security with him?", typical of the sort of leading questions used to advance groundless conspiracies.

We can be all but certain that Mary Boyle was murdered and those who have looked into the case know where the evidence points. However, the idea that she was sexually assaulted and the killing was motivated to cover this up is just speculation. Adding some Anglo-Irish paedophile ring into the equation is simply piling speculation upon speculation and is not helpful.

Regarding the case generally, it is interesting to note that the JoJo Dullard case -- also subject to an alleged cover-up -- seems as though it might be going somewhere, with Gardaí apparently taking the testimony of Miss Dullard's sister seriously. If this signals a renewed willingness to confront the past and get to the bottom of such cases, there could be implications for the Mary Boyle case. The way Gardaí came out in force when Gemma O'Doherty tried to question Mary's uncle Gerry Gallagher makes clear that there's no sign of a shift in Donegal, but if the Gardaí are forced to own up to their failures in another case, this could lead to renewed focus on cases such as Mary Boyle's.

I'd fully agree about piling Mountbatten into the mix, its just another CT at this point and is distracting from the basic case, but I'm not sure what's going to force the Gardai "to own up to their own failures" in the other case?

Gardai tend to make occasional soothing noises about these cases but nothing much comes of them, Raonoid Murray, Fr. Molloy and Mary Boyle are all examples used by O Doherty.

by8auj6csd3ioq

Gemma has written an article now
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what magazine is that from and when?

She usually blocks anyone who disagrees with her on twitter

by8auj6csd3ioq

oh i see it is village mazazine. what a low crass thing for her to try to sell the mag on mary boyle

oranbhoy67

is this magazine readily available, I haven't seen it anywhere for sale.

Ill give her the benefit of the doubt here until I read it but if she doesn't have some concrete proof to link Mountbatten etc with Mary then its just sensationalism without any backbone.

Its good to see a publication running a story on Mary, but those of us who believe that Mary was murdered on that hill need positive publicity, we don't want to look like a bunch of loons with crackpot theories.

by8auj6csd3ioq

@oranbhoy67. she said it was available on her 11 November post on twitter. On Nov 10 Village have an ad for it mentioning her as a writer just under her Nov 11 tweet. I haven't seen it though

tayto lover

O 'Doherty is coming across as a complete lunatic.

AudreyHepburn

Joe Duffy. wrote: »

So is the conspiracy here that the suspect is been protected because he has dirt on people higher up who also enjoy sexually abusing children ?

That’s certainly the impression I’ve gotten from things I’ve read and watch and from the way Margo O’Donnell phrased certain statements in Gemma O’Ds program.

I think however to extent the so called cover up as failed - true poor little Mary is still lying in a field near where she went missing but by the same token we all know who did it, who is covering for him and whichi politician put a stop to the investigation. They didn’t manage to completely hide what they did.

And the very fact that we are all still discussing it means they will never be allowed to forget their actions or Mary - surely that’s punishment of a sort?

ANXIOUS

Just watched the documentary, have to say it's a bit all over the place and certainly no smoking gun. If anyone feels inclined to PM who they are suggesting was the killer please do.

by8auj6csd3ioq

https://villagemagazine.ie/index.php/2017/11/boiling-over/

oranbhoy67

There has been a MASSIVE development, in this case, I'm not trying to tease anyone but it will be revealed on Sunday is all I can say at this moment... and when it is revealed there is going to be MAJOR questions to be asked of the Garda

*edit* I dont want to sound like im teasing this, but the story is going to be carried by a Sunday paper so wouldn't be right for me to reveal what its about

UsedToWait

oranbhoy67 wrote: »

There has been a MASSIVE development, in this case, I'm not trying to tease anyone but it will be revealed on Sunday is all I can say at this moment... and when it is revealed there is going to be MAJOR questions to be asked of the Garda

*edit* I dont want to sound like im teasing this, but the story is going to be carried by a Sunday paper so wouldn't be right for me to reveal what its about

Can you say at least which journalist / paper is reporting it?

oranbhoy67

UsedToWait wrote: »

Can you say at least which journalist / paper is reporting it?

Trish Devlin in the Sunday World

by8auj6csd3ioq

oranbhoy67 said:

There has been a MASSIVE development, in this case, I'm not trying to tease anyone but it will be revealed on Sunday is all I can say at this moment... and when it is revealed there is going to be MAJOR questions to be asked of the Garda

Hope i am wrong but cannot see the gardai answering to the SW when they ignore all other media

FrancieBrady

oranbhoy67 wrote: »

There has been a MASSIVE development, in this case, I'm not trying to tease anyone but it will be revealed on Sunday is all I can say at this moment... and when it is revealed there is going to be MAJOR questions to be asked of the Garda

*edit* I dont want to sound like im teasing this, but the story is going to be carried by a Sunday paper so wouldn't be right for me to reveal what its about

Is it new info?

oranbhoy67

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Is it new info?

yes very much so

oranbhoy67

Addilynn Wooden Saloon wrote: »

Hope i am wrong but cannot see the gardai answering to the SW when they ignore all other media

the gardai will have to answer it, whether they are truthful or not is a different matter

Seth Brundle

So what does the article say?

jonski

kbannon wrote: »

So what does the article say?

Well it didn't make the front page so it's clearly not as big as Nevin Maguires kitchen worker .

frag420

So it was Nevins kitchen worker?

jonski

frag420 wrote: »

So it was Nevins kitchen worker?

How did you come to that conclusion ?

frag420

jonski wrote: »

How did you come to that conclusion ?

I didn’t, it was sarcasm!

Joeseph Balls

jonski wrote: »

How did you come to that conclusion ?

Whooosh

jonski

Joeseph Balls wrote: »

Whooosh

Definitely , in my defence , it was early , I was young , I needed the money ....

Joeseph Balls

I'm after going through the Sunday world trice and can't find anything.

curlymo

Bought this paper for the 1st time in decades to read New info, WHAT/Where IS THE STORY???

Joeseph Balls wrote: »

I'm after going through the Sunday world trice and can't find anything.

oranbhoy67

Sorry guys I'm an insomniac as you may see from the time I put some posts on here, I'll just post here the same explanation I posted on the campaigns Facebook page

We aren't sure just yet why the Sunday World did not run today's story, but the journalist did file the story to be run in today's paper. She was under the understanding that it was to be printed today. There may have been an issue with space in the paper as some of the important details of the development came very late on Friday night/Saturday morning. We aren't sure yet.

What we can tell you regarding the major development in Mary's case is that two men have come forward to say that they found a child's cardigan matching the one that Mary was wearing on the day she went missing.
The men found the cardigan the day after Mary went missing. It was found close to Lough Colmcille and about half a mile away from where Mary was last seen. Local gardai on the scene were alerted to where the cardigan was by these men. The gards then took it away.
Now this is important to us as first and foremostly gardai never told Mary's family that there was any clothing found during the searches. As far as the family were concerned 'no trace' of Mary has ever been found.
Why did the gardai not come to Mary's family and tell them about this significant find? Surely the gardai would need to check with Mary's family to find out whether this cardigan belonged to her or not?

We have made contact with the men, who kindly come forward to us, and who are going to be speaking with gardai this week.
We want to know exactly why this piece of information was withheld and where this piece of clothing is now.

jonski

Addilynn Wooden Saloon wrote: »

https://villagemagazine.ie/index.php/2017/11/boiling-over/

I'm surprised there hasn't been more comment on this link , both myself and herself read it and while we weren't overly surprised with the content, we were surprised to see it in print .