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Trump/US to recognise Jerusalem as Isreal's capital

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    #92
    Wanderer78
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    They sure know how to work this trump guy, I'd say he's easy though


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    #93
    vicwatson
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    Philippines and Czech Republic are reportedly following suit. Why either of those catholic dominant countries need an embassy at all in Israel is beyond me


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    #94
    chatticusfinch
    Registered Users Posts: 233 ✭✭chatticusfinch


    vicwatson wrote: »
    Philippines and Czech Republic are reportedly following suit. Why either of those catholic dominant countries need an embassy at all in Israel is beyond me

    I hear the falafel is nice.


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    #95
    pitifulgod
    Registered Users Posts: 1,282 ✭✭✭pitifulgod


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Of course others will follow suit, it's America.

    Pretty unlikely, Trump isn't a world leader and his actions aren't viewed with respect. Most countries are condemning and saying they won't follow suit... By your logic, all countries would now be leaving the Paris Climate Accord except every country in the globe is now in it.

    Also the Philippines is presently led by a tyrant so not exactly a world leader in terms of what we should be doing.


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    #96
    [Deleted User]
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    vicwatson wrote: »
    Philippines and Czech Republic are reportedly following suit. Why either of those catholic dominant countries need an embassy at all in Israel is beyond me

    A Catholic country like us has an Embassy in London, England, and tis rammed with Protestants.

    I'm sure that one has you scratching your head.


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    #97
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    conorhal wrote: »
    Well it's a step up from Obama and Hillary bombing the $h1t out of it.

    You seem to be conveniently forgetting the drone strikes have gone way up since Trump came into office, are killing more civilians, and they want to use more again - on top of other symbolic bombings like dropping the largest non-nuclear bomb in world history on Afghanistan only a few months ago.


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    #98
    ...__...
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    end of the road wrote: »
    it's going nowhere anyway. israel won't stop until they have all the land. their plan is a slow cleansing, expansion and destruction of palestinian territories, with the eventual expulsion of the natives.

    Are you mixing up what the Arabs tried to do TO Israel in 1967?
    The Palestinians and Jordanians (who controlled Jerusalem then btw) fully supported Nasser in trying to wipe Israel off the map then,
    Instead of trying for Peace they went for war.

    They lost.


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    #99
    conorhal
    Registered Users Posts: 6,986 ✭✭✭conorhal


    end of the road wrote: »
    this is 2017, not 1817. land continuously stolen by israel outside it's borders which were set in 1948, who's natives are continuously slaughtered as part of an ethnic cleansing program, doesn't become israely.

    In the Middle East it's still largely the 8th Century in case you haven't noticed, and yes, the ystill slaughter and ethnically clense away.


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    #100
    Zebra3
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    ...__... wrote: »
    Are you mixing up what the Arabs tried to do TO Israel in 1967?
    The Palestinians and Jordanians (who controlled Jerusalem then btw) fully supported Nasser in trying to wipe Israel off the map then,
    Instead of trying for Peace they went for war.

    They lost.

    What they tried to do was to get the colonial terrorists off stolen land.

    Any opinion on how the zionist terrorists wiped Palestine off the map?


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    #101
    Deise Vu
    Registered Users Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭Deise Vu


    This is a mind boggling decision even by Trump and USA standards. You only had to see the smug head on Netanyahu last night to understand it is the equivalent of declaring every day in the North the 12th of July. The Jews have won Jerusalem and have the blessing the most powerful Army in history. Muslims and Christians can take a hike.

    Christians won't be overly bothered and sure what harm can come from enraging a billion muslims? And just at a point where even Saudi Arabia was beginning to question the value of financing terrorists. It will be interesting to see if The Donald cuts the tape on the new embassy. I'm guessing he might pass on that one. In some ways I almost feel sorry for the Embassy staff who are now the number target for every disaffected muslim in the world (and there are one or two of those). I think I would also be avoiding any place that has the name Trump on it, there is absolutely no way the secret service can secure all those locations 24/7/365.


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    #102
    9or10
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    During a lull in a White House dinner, Melania Trump leaned over to chat with Secretary of State, Tillerson.

    "I bought Donald a parrot for his birthday. That bird is so smart, Donald has already taught him to say over two hundred words!"

    “Very impressive," said Tillerson, "but, you do realize he just speaks the words. He doesn't really understand what they all mean.”

    "Oh, I know", replied Melania, “but neither does the parrot."


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    #103
    JMNolan
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    Deise Vu wrote: »
    enraging a billion muslims?

    Talk about stereotyping


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    #104
    server down
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    Billy86 wrote: »
    You seem to be conveniently forgetting the drone strikes have gone way up since Trump came into office, are killing more civilians, and they want to use more again - on top of other symbolic bombings like dropping the largest non-nuclear bomb in world history on Afghanistan only a few months ago.

    They are all war criminals. That said the destruction of Libya takes the cake.


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    #105
    suicide_circus
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    Stupid, inflammatory and unnecessary decision. That saI'd, it is important that we are not dissuaded from doing or saying things under the threat of violence from extremists, constantly hostages to the rage of those who look for any excuse for barbarity.

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    #106
    Billy86
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    server down wrote: »
    They are all war criminals. That said the destruction of Libya takes the cake.

    Iraq was far more damaging than Syria I reckon, and a real start point. The whole situation has been a clusterf*** for the last 14 years but claiming what Trump has been doing in the region is "a step up from Obama and Hillary bombing the $h1t out of it" is entirely incorrect when Trump has been bombing the sh*t out of it at a higher rate again.


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    #107
    Elmer Blooker
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    9or10 wrote: »
    During a lull in a White House dinner, Melania Trump leaned over to chat with Secretary of State, Tillerson.

    "I bought Donald a parrot for his birthday. That bird is so smart, Donald has already taught him to say over two hundred words!"

    “Very impressive," said Tillerson, "but, you do realize he just speaks the words. He doesn't really understand what they all mean.”

    "Oh, I know", replied Melania, “but neither does the parrot."
    According to the Guardian quoting "senior sources" the parrot is speaking Russian!


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    #108
    Gatling
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    Elmer Blooker wrote: »
    According to the Guardian quoting "senior sources" the parrot is speaking Russian!

    That's just Donald on a daily basis
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    #109
    c_man
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    The whole Palestinian thing is a lost cause. It's so sad but that's the reality.

    From Trump's POV, he's keeping a campaign promise, showing support for an ally, shoring the base and keeping himself in the headlines. What's not to like.


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    #110
    Varik
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    Mods seem to have deleted a few of the more anti-semitic posts from last night, not before a good few thanks were giving by who you'd expect.


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    #111
    suicide_circus
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    c_man wrote: »
    The whole Palestinian thing is a lost cause. It's so sad but that's the reality.

    From Trump's POV, he's keeping a campaign promise, showing support for an ally, shoring the base and keeping himself in the headlines. What's not to like.
    And creating a handy distraction from his possibly treasonous russian connections currently under investigation.


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    #112
    Pero_Bueno
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    All the mentally ill left blaming Trump - but the scumbags burning american flags and chanting death to USA/Israel on the streets - they're just grand.


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    #113
    Hector Bellend
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    Why has this decision been made now? What's the logic?


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    #114
    Guy Sajer
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    On one hand we are told to not let terrorism win and to continue normality, on the other when it comes to Trumps decision we are complaining that it will escalate violence.

    Can people who use phrases like "open the gates of hell" really be trusted with peace anyway.


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    #115
    Odhinn
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    Ipso wrote: »
    Yes self rule is better, but I don't get the romanticisation of groups that would be hell to live under.
    What has violent action gotten so far? If anyone thinks that Israel is not going to respond to violent action with a sh1t load more violent action then you must have been away for the last while. Hamas/Hezzbolah don't give a sh1t what happens to the ordinary Palestinian, they are pawns. The alternative to violent action may not get them any further but it will be less destructive.

    You still haven't given the peaceful alternative.
    jimbob1977 wrote:
    It's much ado about nothing, if you peel away the political outrage.

    'Its not much of a disaster if you forget about the disaster'
    Wailin wrote:
    He's in politics, advised by politicians and military commander's
    .

    There's no evidence he's listening to them, unfortunately.
    Hector Bellend wrote:
    Why has this decision been made now? What's the logic?
    He's playing to a section of his own electorate (best guess) and thinking long term consequences be damned.


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    #116
    [Deleted User]
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    c_man wrote: »
    From Trump's POV, he's keeping a campaign promise, showing support for an ally, shoring the base and keeping himself in the headlines. What's not to like.

    In fairness, if it was a campaign promise, the time for outrage was back then. He can hardly be blamed for sticking by a promise made pre election.


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    #117
    Odhinn
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    In fairness, if it was a campaign promise, the time for outrage was back then. He can hardly be blamed for sticking by a promise made pre election.

    In this case, he can.
    http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/06/flashback-all-the-times-past-presidents-promised-to-move-us-embassy-to-jerusalem/

    Of course they shouldn't have been making it an election issue either.


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    #118
    A Little Pony
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    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Berserker wrote: »
    Nope, they could call for peaceful protest as a response to this. They've called for a "day or rage".

    Peaceful protest by Palestinians has resulted in them being shot, arrested and tortured, beaten by the occupying Israeli terrorist forces.

    And has resulted in the continued ethnic cleansing of them from their homeland.

    Remember Israel is a colonial settler state founded by European jews who have been forcing out the native population since 1948.
    Jews settled in the area 3 thousand years ago. How far back do you want to go? Reality is it is now Israel's and they will do with it what they seem fit.


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    #119
    Hector Bellend
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    Odhinn wrote: »
    You still haven't given the peaceful alternative.



    'Its not much of a disaster if you forget about the disaster'

    .

    There's no evidence he's listening to them, unfortunately.


    He's playing to a section of his own electorate (best guess) and thinking long term consequences be damned.

    But isnt there a medium and long term component to all decisions of this nature


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    #120
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,026 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Hector Bellend wrote: »
    But isnt there a medium and long term component to all decisions of this nature

    There should be - this is Trump, however.


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    #121
    Zebra3
    Registered Users Posts: 13,859 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    c_man wrote: »
    The whole Palestinian thing is a lost cause. It's so sad but that's the reality.

    From Trump's POV, he's keeping a campaign promise, showing support for an ally, shoring the base and keeping himself in the headlines. What's not to like.

    How about being in breach of international law? Then again that’s not something the American/Israeli terror fanboys worry about.
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Jews settled in the area 3 thousand years ago. How far back do you want to go? Reality is it is now Israel's and they will do with it what they seem fit.

    So you have no issue with colonial terrorists ethnicly cleansing the natives?


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