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thomond2006 · 01-12-2017 11:24AM

Josh Gordon back for the Browns on Sunday!

molloyjh · 01-12-2017 11:46AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Jesus they dont care at all anymore. I dont even know if this is lacking self awareness or being completely aware and knowing nothing matters anymore.

He even used the word irony. Jesus.

If someone dared him to give that interview as a joke id still hardly believe it.

That's just disgusting. There's no other word for it. Unsurprising, but disgusting nonetheless.

01-12-2017 11:59AM

molloyjh wrote: »

That's just disgusting. There's no other word for it. Unsurprising, but disgusting nonetheless.

I'm legitimately baffled that it's real. Any sane society would absolutely throttle someone for having such open, obvious and brazen double standards.

There is no other word for it, you're spot on. It's disgusting.

the baby bull elephant · 01-12-2017 03:13PM

b.gud wrote: »

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/936352215551406080

Politicians in Washington...such as Ted Cruz.

01-12-2017 04:01PM

General Flynn has just pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI in a federal court. It's a minor enough charge suggesting that he has given them something in return for letting the additional charges slide against both himself and his son.

Probably won't know what today - but seems Kushner is now in quite serious trouble and will leave his role in the White House fairly imminently to deal with a likely indictment. Supposedly one of Trumps children are about to be indicted.

Might maybe be a bit of a beginning of the end.

Buer · 01-12-2017 04:13PM

Deleted User wrote:

Might maybe be a bit of a beginning of the end.

I'm still yet to see or hear anything that makes me think Trump himself will be removed at any point.

In fact, recent events make me think he has an outside shot at a second term.

Zzippy · 01-12-2017 04:14PM

Deleted User wrote: »

General Flynn has just pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI in a federal court. It's a minor enough charge suggesting that he has given them something in return for letting the additional charges slide against both himself and his son.

Probably won't know what today - but seems Kushner is now in quite serious trouble and will leave his role in the White House fairly imminently to deal with a likely indictment. Supposedly one of Trumps children are about to be indicted.

Might maybe be a bit of a beginning of the end.

I beg your pardon?

irishbucsfan · 01-12-2017 04:17PM

Buer wrote: »

I'm still yet to see or hear anything that makes me think Trump himself will be removed at any point.

In fact, recent events make me think he has an outside shot at a second term.

Seth Abramson on twitter, who is pretty good I find, argues that General Flynn wouldn't have been offered a deal if he couldn't incriminate someone above him, and those people are Pence and Trump.

Either way, this'll be on the Leaving Cert in 20 years. I agree with Abramson that the only way Flynn is taking a deal is if he's offering someone above him. And the fact Kushner reportedly took his own counsel and stopped dealing with White House counsel suggests that he might be on the road to taking his own deal... and there's only one person Kushner would be giving up.

01-12-2017 04:18PM

Buer wrote: »

I'm still yet to see or hear anything that makes me think Trump himself will be removed at any point.

In fact, recent events make me think he has an outside shot at a second term.

An outside shot? He's the incumbent, he's probably evens at the moment.

Scandals have become basically irrelevant now (see Roy Moore). You can't prosecute the president, the republican controlled congress are utterly supine. He isn't going anywhere.

01-12-2017 04:18PM

Zzippy wrote: »

I beg your pardon?

Yeah it's pretty serious. Flynn is supposed to have flipped and has provided evidence on three people - Kushner, Trump Jnr. and Manafort.

Again, some of this is still rumour but supposedly the hammer is coming down and Flynn has been charged this morning so it's definitely gloves off time.

01-12-2017 04:20PM

I love the Fox News headline: "Mueller get's his man"..., as if it's Flynn he is after and this is all over now.

Zzippy · 01-12-2017 04:22PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Seth Abramson on twitter, who is pretty good I find, argues that General Flynn wouldn't have been offered a deal if he couldn't incriminate someone above him, and those people are Pence and Trump.

Either way, this'll be on the Leaving Cert in 20 years. I agree with Abramson that the only way Flynn is taking a deal is if he's offering someone above him. And the fact Kushner reportedly took his own counsel and stopped dealing with White House counsel suggests that he might be on the road to taking his own deal... and there's only one person Kushner would be giving up.

Kushner won't give up the pumpkin-in-law. He can plead guilty to whatever he likes safe in the knowledge there's a pardon waiting in return for his silence.

Zzippy · 01-12-2017 04:23PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah it's pretty serious. Flynn is supposed to have flipped and has provided evidence on three people - Kushner, Trump Jnr. and Manafort.

Again, some of this is still rumour but supposedly the hammer is coming down and Flynn has been charged this morning so it's definitely gloves off time.

Sheesh. Did I have to put PARDON in block caps?

Buer · 01-12-2017 04:25PM

Whoosh?!

01-12-2017 04:26PM

Zzippy wrote: »

Kushner won't give up the pumpkin-in-law. He can plead guilty to whatever he likes safe in the knowledge there's a pardon waiting in return for his silence.

Nah there won't be. Some of the charges are federal but Mueller has kept a New York and Washington DC state attorneys involved and Trump can't pardon state crimes, only Federal. The crimes he is pursuing were primarily committed in those two states so he's covered.

01-12-2017 04:30PM

Zzippy wrote: »

Sheesh. Did I have to put PARDON in block caps?

Buer wrote: »

Whoosh?!

No Pardon, No Pardon, You're the Pardon.

01-12-2017 04:33PM

Seriously though

Zzippy · 01-12-2017 04:35PM

Deleted User wrote: »

No Pardon, No Pardon, You're the Pardon.

#FAKENEWS

Even if that's so, I can't see Kushner flipping on Ivanka's dad - bye bye family + inheritance!

Buer · 01-12-2017 04:39PM

Emilee Bitter Ginseng wrote:

An outside shot? He's the incumbent, he's probably evens at the moment.

He's 5/2 which is pretty poor I'd have thought. The incumbent has a significant advantage but they have to get through the term with something approaching an acceptable approval rating which Trump doesn't have.

If the Democrats confirmed a candidate tomorrow they'd be the favourite at this point.

But a strong campaign of undermining opponents, Russian interference and the American electorate's ability to turn a blind eye could see him right back in with a shout.

01-12-2017 04:42PM

Zzippy wrote: »

#FAKENEWS

Even if that's so, I can't see Kushner flipping on Ivanka's dad - bye bye family + inheritance!

Kushner was already independently wealthy before marring into the Trump family.

It's a bit complicated as they've made poor decisions but he'll have a pretty substantial trust.

If the Trumps vanished from existence he'd still be completely set for life.

Buer · 01-12-2017 04:44PM

Zzippy wrote:

Even if that's so, I can't see Kushner flipping on Ivanka's dad - bye bye family + inheritance!

Kushner doesn't need any money at all. His fortune runs into the hundreds of millions.

Zzippy · 01-12-2017 04:45PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Kushner was already independently wealthy before marring into the Trump family.

It's a bit complicated as they've made poor decisions but he'll have a pretty substantial trust.

If the Trumps vanished from existence he'd still be completely set for life.

He's got kids with Ivanka though. Hell, maybe they're really in love too!

Bazzo · 01-12-2017 04:46PM

The Kushner family fortune may actually be larger than the Trump one.

01-12-2017 05:00PM

Zzippy wrote: »

Kushner won't give up the pumpkin-in-law. He can plead guilty to whatever he likes safe in the knowledge there's a pardon waiting in return for his silence.

Trump can only pardon federal crimes.

Buer · 01-12-2017 05:03PM

thomond2006 wrote:

Alan Dillon retires from intercounty football.

Good footballer. Awful taste in future careers.

irishbucsfan · 01-12-2017 05:23PM

ABC are reporting that Flynn will testify that he made contact with the Russians under guidance from Trump.

01-12-2017 05:25PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

ABC are reporting that Flynn will testify that he made contact with the Russians under guidance from Trump.

If he testifies that and doesn't snake out at the last minute then Trump is 100% guilty of obstruction of justice as it was specifically Flynn that he wanted Comey to leave alone and it is specifically Flynn he directed to engage with the Russians.

Twitter having a field day:

irishbucsfan · 01-12-2017 05:33PM

No guesses as to which story Fox News are not leading with today! Mad place altogether.

01-12-2017 05:36PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

No guesses as to which story Fox News are not leading with today! Mad place altogether.

01-12-2017 06:01PM

So he testifies to that.

Trump would still need to be impeached. It will not happen.

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