Joe Brolly and Eamonn Dunphy are not fans of Barry McGuigan

Joe_ Public · 29-11-2017 05:14PM

walshb wrote: »

You're missing nothing.....stop looking.

All sports attract "fake" fans......

GAA for me stands out here in Ireland.....

I’m either missing something or you’re not explaining it. The only reason I can fathom you single out the Gaa is because it draws the biggest crowds but still, percentage wise, I don’t believe they are fundamentally different than any other sport.

megadodge · 29-11-2017 05:23PM

pac_man wrote: »

That's kinda stating the obvious. Gaelic games are the most popular sports in Ireland, therefore it's going to have the most people on the bandwagon.

I can't believe somebody had to spell it out!

walshb · 29-11-2017 05:53PM

pac_man wrote: »

That's kinda stating the obvious. Gaelic games are the most popular sports in Ireland, therefore it's going to have the most people on the bandwagon.

Exactly my point.......

I even alluded to this in my posts. The penny drops. It's part of our identity. Our national sport...hence to me it's more prevalent as regards bandwagoners.

The fact that it's part of our identity, our national sport, there's that added "pressure" to almost claim you like it. Sacrilegious to not like it. That is the vibe I get. Hence why it's not comparable to other non national sports....

I am sure other countries could relate with their national sports. Like Rugger in Wales, or NFL in the U.S.

walshb · 29-11-2017 06:14PM

Joe_ Public wrote: »

I’m either missing something or you’re not explaining it. The only reason I can fathom you single out the Gaa is because it draws the biggest crowds but still, percentage wise, I don’t believe they are fundamentally different than any other sport.

I singled out GAA because of its place in our history and its place on this island. I mentioned in previous posts about its national identity with us.

Joe_ Public · 29-11-2017 07:28PM

walshb wrote: »

I singled out GAA because of its place in our history and its place on this island. I mentioned in previous posts about its national identity with us.

I understand all that but it doesn’t prove anything for me as regards bandwagon levels. If there is some kind of pressure on people to claim to like GAA, how does it manifest itself?

megadodge · 30-11-2017 12:00AM

walshb wrote: »

Exactly my point.......

I even alluded to this in my posts. The penny drops. It's part of our identity. Our national sport...hence to me it's more prevalent as regards bandwagoners.

The fact that it's part of our identity, our national sport there's that added "pressure" to almost claim you like it. Sacrilegious to not like it. That is the vibe I get. Hence why it's not comparable to other non national sports....

I am sure other countries could relate with their national sports. Like Rugger in Wales, or NFL in the U.S.

The above reasons are precisely why Seamus Darby's goal ranks so highly in Irish people's memories of the 1980s.

It's only natural when so many watch the sport and idenify with it that so many remember its most famous moment 35 years later. It's not rocket science!

walshb · 30-11-2017 12:24PM

Joe_ Public wrote: »

I understand all that but it doesn’t prove anything for me as regards bandwagon levels. If there is some kind of pressure on people to claim to like GAA, how does it manifest itself?

I didn't imply for it to prove anything. I said it's a vibe that I get. People pretending they give a fook about GAA. Many out of a sense of duty due to the fact of its "importance" to our country and our people.

Sweet Science · 30-11-2017 01:31PM

walshb wrote: »

I didn't imply for it to prove anything. I said it's a vibe that I get. People pretending they give a fook about GAA. Many out of a sense of duty due to the fact of its "importance" to our country and our people.

I really doubt they are jumping on the bandwagon for the reason above. I would say its for the same reason it happens in every sport all over the world . A big day out , on the gargle, selfies,getting likes on social media etc

Joe_ Public · 30-11-2017 02:49PM

walshb wrote: »

I didn't imply for it to prove anything. I said it's a vibe that I get. People pretending they give a fook about GAA. Many out of a sense of duty due to the fact of its "importance" to our country and our people.

Don’t get it at all but no worries, it’s your vibe and you’re sticking to it!

Don Kiddick · 30-11-2017 03:12PM

megadodge wrote: »

The above reasons are precisely why Seamus Darby's goal ranks so highly in Irish people's memories of the 1980s.

It's only natural when so many watch the sport and idenify with it that so many remember its most famous moment 35 years later. It's not rocket science!

It's daft to think it's the most memorable moment in sport though,...not even close

megadodge · 30-11-2017 03:21PM

Don Kiddick wrote: »

It's daft to think it's the most memorable moment in sport though,...not even close

Who said it was?

walshb · 30-11-2017 04:09PM

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Don’t get it at all but no worries, it’s your vibe and you’re sticking to it!

I get it. And I get it for reasons I have given....

Separately: The rugger is also fashionable now to support...

Joe_ Public · 30-11-2017 04:26PM

walshb wrote: »

I get it. And I get it for reasons I have given....

Separately: The rugger is also fashionable now to support...

How does mma fit into this world view? The olympics every 4 years? What makes one event or sport more fashionable than another? If it’s patriotic pride that accounts for GAA fakery, what then explains the rugby?

Sorry for all the questions. I am genuinely curious...

walshb · 30-11-2017 04:36PM

Joe_ Public wrote: »

How does mma fit into this world view? The olympics every 4 years? What makes one event or sport more fashionable than another? If it’s patriotic pride that accounts for GAA fakery, what then explains the rugby?

Sorry for all the questions. I am genuinely curious...

Olympics is every four years...

GAA is incessant all year round....

There are differences. Well, to me anyway. No issue with anyone watching the games every 4 years and pretending to give a sh1t. The Olympics usually brings out a little fan in even the most anti spots people. There's so much to look at and choose from.

Same with World Cup. I like soccer. Not all that much, but I absolutely love the WC and the Euros....

Why, because it's special. It's not rammed down your throat every day of the week like GAA and soccer leagues.

A huge level of specialness' is lost for me with sport, because of the saturation of it....It's non stop. That is why the Olympics and WCs are always brilliant. You appreciate them much more.

Rugby is like soccer now. Non fooking stop. I really enjoy rugby WC and six nations, but the amount of pointless matches in between doesn't do it for me.

I suppose my general and overall point is the saturation of sport on society IMO leads to a sort of blandness and dullness.

Boxing is not immune from this saturation.

walshb · 30-11-2017 04:46PM

Joe_ Public wrote: »

What makes one event or sport more fashionable than another? If it’s patriotic pride that accounts for GAA fakery, what then explains the rugby?
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The amount of hype and media makes some sports far more fashionable to "follow" and like. All part of being in the crowd and in the loop. It's just people being themselves. Hence why GAA/Soccer and rugby, being very popular here in Ireland will have a lot of bandwagoners.

Sports like track and swimming. Who is going to pretend to like these sports?

Rowing was all the rage after Rio!:)

Joe_ Public · 30-11-2017 04:53PM

walshb wrote: »

Olympics is every four years...

GAA is incessant all year round....

There are differences. Well, to me anyway. No issue with anyone watching the games every 4 years and pretending to give a sh1t. The Olympics usually brings out a little fan in even the most anti spots people. There's so much to look at and choose from.

Same with World Cup. I like soccer. Not all that much, but I absolutely love the WC and the Euros....

Why, because it's special. It's not rammed down your throat every day of the week like GAA and soccer leagues.

A huge level of specialness' is lost for me with sport, because of the saturation of it....It's non stop. That is why the Olympics and WCs are always brilliant. You appreciate them much more.

Rugby is like soccer now. Non fooking stop. I really enjoy rugby WC and six nations, but the amount of pointless matches in between doesn't do it for me.

I suppose my general and overall point is the saturation of sport on society IMO leads to a sort of blandness and dullness.

Boxing is not immune from this saturation.

Well I certainly agree with that, though it seems we’ve drifted a bit from the point. Everything is too accessible now, too much of a good thing is killing the romance that drew us as kids. I’ve always been a big snooker fan and now there are tournaments every week and it’s tiring me out. Too much bread and not enough butter as the old saying goes.

walshb · 30-11-2017 04:57PM

I suppose the best analogy is that GAA is what religion was years ago. Brainwashed into people....

That is not me slating it. Like I said, I really admire the organisation, and its organisation and passion and commitment. It makes me proud to be Irish.

That is why for me it stands on its own for this discussion that we are having as regards sports fans and followers and bandwagoners.

Joe_ Public · 30-11-2017 04:58PM

walshb wrote: »

The amount of hype and media makes some sports far more fashionable to "follow" and like. All part of being in the crowd and in the loop. It's just people being themselves. Hence why GAA/Soccer and rugby, being very popular here in Ireland will have a lot of bandwagoners.

Sports like track and swimming. Who is going to pretend to like these sports?

Rowing was all the rage after Rio!:)

And this I agree with too. Bit of chicken and egg though, they are popular because they get the coverage or the other way round?

walshb · 30-11-2017 05:03PM

Joe_ Public wrote: »

And this I agree with too. Bit of chicken and egg though, they are popular because they get the coverage or the other way round?

Bit of both I reckon.....

Most of the time it's a day out for people, whether it be to the game or the pub

Then there are many who don't want to be "left" out and pretend they watched this or that or enjoyed this or that.

I have seen it many times. So many people in their colors in the boozer pretending they are there to watch the match. They couldn't give a toss about the match really. Team sports will always get a huge support and following....how authentic that support is we can't know.

walshb · 30-11-2017 05:05PM

Anyway, back on topic I think Houghton or O'Leary's moments were the best and most memorable and widely known and loved.

Just a pity it wasn't an Irishman scoring against England in Stuttgart.

Joe_ Public · 30-11-2017 05:08PM

walshb wrote: »

I suppose the best analogy is that GAA is what religion was years ago. Brainwashed into people....

That is not me slating it. Like I said, I really admire the organisation, and its organisation and passion and commitment. It makes me proud to be Irish.

That is why for me it stands on its own for this discussion that we are having as regards sports fans and followers and bandwagoners.

I do get this but seems to belong to a different discussion to me. The GAAs cultural and political power is well documented, and there’s good and bad in it imo, but I don’t see it as related to what we are discussing, or not in a major way at least.

Joe_ Public · 30-11-2017 06:46PM

walshb wrote: »

Anyway, back on topic I think Houghton or O'Leary's moments were the best and most memorable and widely known and loved.

Just a pity it wasn't an Irishman scoring against England in Stuttgart.

For me personally the Euro 88 one stands out more. It was all still a little bit lower key at that point, all that Jackie’s army, ole ole stuff had yet to seriously kick in. And not least, they didn’t stink the place out with their tactics that summer.

Don Kiddick · 30-11-2017 08:57PM

megadodge wrote: »

Who said it was?

Some of the posters creaming themselves on this thread

megadodge · 01-12-2017 01:30AM

Don Kiddick wrote: »

Some of the posters creaming themselves on this thread

Nobody claimed it was the greatest moment in sport.

snowflaker · 05-12-2017 11:33PM

http://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/other/joe-brolly-hits-out-at-rtes-false-apology-to-wee-s-barry-mcguigan-817258.html

Joe Brolly- what a cockwomble

Joe_ Public · 06-12-2017 12:03AM

snowflaker wrote: »

http://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/other/joe-brolly-hits-out-at-rtes-false-apology-to-wee-s-barry-mcguigan-817258.html

Joe Brolly- what a cockwomble

Kind of agree with him a bit on the lickspittle nature of the apology. Brolly is a fool but the issue here is RTÉ. Create a cliched oul shyte of a programme designed to drum up debate and then shy away cravenly when a contributor goes too far. There should have been someone there to challenge Brolly on his rubbish on the night but there was only Sonia who took everything the two idiots said as gospel. Now they’re delighted because they can go down with Myers and hook as victims of free speech!

walshb · 06-12-2017 10:28AM

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Kind of agree with him a bit on the lickspittle nature of the apology. Brolly is a fool but the issue here is RTÉ. Create a cliched oul shyte of a programme designed to drum up debate and then shy away cravenly when a contributor goes too far. There should have been someone there to challenge Brolly on his rubbish on the night but there was only Sonia who took everything the two idiots said as gospel. Now they’re delighted because they can go down with Myers and hook as victims of free speech!

That's it. RTE should have defended the character assassination there and then. They didn't. And Sonia was no better...

RTE are right. It went against the spirit of the show. Was in very bad taste. Two grade A pr1cks.

And still brolly is having a pop at Barry.....not content to stfu and leave it...

If Barry comes across him and chins him I will laugh!

Joe_ Public · 06-12-2017 02:41PM

The “wee shyte” comment seems typical Brolly. Having another pop and deflecting with attempted humour at the same time. A smart cookie all the same.

The so-called spirit of the show is one of the problems for me, all happy clappy, remember how great we were etc. RTE presenters are terrified of giving offense to the point where they’ll rush out and apologize in another’s behalf. And Barry should be big enough to fight his own battles, if what Brolly is saying about him contacting the station is true.

walshb · 06-12-2017 02:46PM

Joe_ Public wrote: »

The “wee shyte” comment seems typical Brolly. Having another pop and deflecting with attempted humour at the same time. A smart cookie all the same.

The so-called spirit of the show is one of the problems for me, all happy clappy, remember how great we were etc. RTE presenters are terrified of giving offense to the point where they’ll rush out and apologize in another’s behalf. And Barry should be big enough to fight his own battles, if what Brolly is saying about him contacting the station is true.

You can dismiss or question or even criticize in a respectable and stylish manner....whilst putting across valid and analysed points.

I think Ruby was dismissive of Houghton's USA '94 moment. He did it in a decent and spirited way.

Brolly simply went on a character assassination and could not hide his disdain for Barry. Dunphy , although not as hostile, was still out of line....

Hence it was in bad taste and against the spirit of the show.

What you mean by Barry being big enough to fight his own battles should what Brolly be saying is true?

If Barry contacted to complain he was spot on to do so.

Joe_ Public · 06-12-2017 03:01PM

walshb wrote: »

You can dismiss or question or even criticize in a respectable and stylish manner....whilst putting across valid and analysed points.

I think Ruby was dismissive of Houghton's USA '94 moment. He did it in a decent and spirited way.

Brolly simply went on a character assassination and could not hide his disdain for Barry. Dunphy , although not as hostile, was still out of line....

Hence it was in bad taste and against the spirit of the show.

What you mean by Barry being big enough to fight his own battles should what Brolly be saying is true?

If Barry contacted to complain he was spot on to do so.

Yes, I’m not disagreeing fundamentally, just that the whole “spirit” of the thing seems lame to me and part of the reason the apology feels equally lame and next to pointless.

If he was so inclined I think Barry, with just cause, needed to tackle it directly and not have RTE do his bidding in such an ineffectual way. Does he leave it now that Brolly has produced an encore? Maybe he should. Hard to win any battle against the motormouth.

Joe Brolly and Eamonn Dunphy are not fans of Barry McGuigan

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