Joe Brolly and Eamonn Dunphy are not fans of Barry McGuigan

Chivito550

Not sure if this has been discussed here, but I watched last week's episode of Ireland's Greatest Sporting Moment, and Joe Brolly and Eamonn Dunphy lambasted Barry McGuigan.

Is this criticism valid?

Brolly went so far to say "I don't like the man".

https://www.balls.ie/boxing/joe-brolly-eamon-dunphy-barry-mcguigan-377408

weemcd

Joe Brolly is a narcissist egomaniac and Eamon Dunphy is a cantankerous old drunk. If the two of them disliked me I'd consider it a compliment.

Barry McGuigan is an ambassador for his sport and this Island.

artanevilla

As the poster above says, any criticism by them two is actually an endorsement of your character.

walshb

Dunphy, the failed soccer player talking about easy fights for Barry...what a fooking numpty. How that dithering drunk still gets air time is beyond me..

As for the GAA man who achieved nothing outside of Ireland..

And Tracey does not deserve to be higher than Barry..

Chivito550

walshb wrote: »

Dunphy, the failed soccer player talking about easy fights for Barry...what a fooking numpty. How that dithering drunk still gets air time is beyond me..

As for the GAA man who achieved nothing outside of Ireland..

And Tracey does not deserve to be higher than Barry..

Regarding Treacy and McGuigan, both are magnificent achievements, and it would be personal opinion as to what would be better. I'd pick Treacy, but wouldn't have any issue with others picking McGuigan. What I can't understand is how Offaly winning an All Ireland is seen as better than both of these genuine world class achievements. Only in Ireland.

Joe Brolly actually sums up a lot about the begrudging nature of Irish people.

megadodge

So Donkey Dunphy now turns his (ahem) 'expertise' to boxing?

I remember when he had the evening slot on Today FM before Matt Cooper and there was a very big Heavyweight title fight (possibly Lewis/Holyfield) that weekend and when it came around to previewing it, Donkey said that he didn't even like boxing and only had the preview because it was such a big event.

And now he's paid to give his 'expert' opinion on something he knows f*ck all about and doesn't even like?........ actually that's really the same as his soccer analysis. Drunken idiot!!

Don't know what Brolly's problem is, but he has followed the same path as Donkey in creating a career for himself by being controversial, he's just more eloquent.

tylercheribini

walshb wrote: »

How that dithering drunk still gets air time is beyond me..

He is married to RTE's commissioning editor, standard nepotism from a rotten institution.

Chivito550

megadodge wrote: »

So Donkey Dunphy now turns his (ahem) 'expertise' to boxing?

I remember when he had the evening slot on Today FM before Matt Cooper and there was a very big Heavyweight title fight (possibly Lewis/Holyfield) that weekend and when it came around to previewing it, Donkey said that he didn't even like boxing and only had the preview because it was such a big event.

And now he's paid to give his 'expert' opinion on something he knows f*ck all about and doesn't even like?........ actually that's really the same as his soccer analysis. Drunken idiot!!

Don't know what Brolly's problem is, but he has followed the same path as Donkey in creating a career for himself by being controversial, he's just more eloquent.

I enjoy listening to Dunphy talk about soccer as he is entertaining and I don't take him too seriously. But listening to him talk about other sports is nauseating.

On the show last week he said Cycling is tarnished, and that he has a real fear of the same with Track and Field Athletics. Funny, I've never once heard him say anything about football, and he fawns over Barcelona and Spain, who have been linked to dodgey doctors who have worked with Lance Armstrong and other cyclists. You'd think somebody involved in football for so long would be a bit more clued in about doping in this sport. It's funny how journalists are so clueless about the topic when it comes to football. Yet he feels the need to discredit two sports on national TV, and as a result implicate anybody associated with them.

Worth noting that Tony Cascarino admitted to taking performance enhancing drugs when at Marseilles. I bet Dunphy doesn't even know this.

walshb

tylercheribini wrote: »

He is married to RTE's commissioning editor, standard nepotism from a rotten institution.

Of course....

His easy fights reference. Pure bull from a man who knows eff all about the sport and who could never appreciate it..

SEPT 23 1989

What did those pair achieve outside this country?

Nothing

walshb

Chivito550 wrote: »

I enjoy listening to Dunphy talk about soccer as.

Really?

Stuttering, stammering and struggling to construct sentences is most of what I hear.

Always an axe to grind, and rarely, if ever sincere with his analysis..

Auroras_encore

Barry the brit tbf

Alf Veedersane

Chivito550 wrote: »

What I can't understand is how Offaly winning an All Ireland is seen as better than both of these genuine world class achievements.

It's not about achievements. It's the greatest sporting moments .

More people probably saw it live than the others so I can understand it placing as highly as it did.

Don Kiddick

McGuigan as a boxer was quite limited.... but the night he beat Pedroza has been ingrained in the Irish psyche....he's an affable and amiable individual, he was managed by a man, who was a master when dealing with the papers...and he built this whole "unifying Ireland' aura around Barry.
His boxing legacy is not great... but he will always be admired for that great day in London..

As an aside...how do people view Wayne McCullough ?

bucketybuck

My opinion of Barry McGuigan increased tenfold from reading the thread title alone.

hbhook

Brolly mentioned McAuley vs Bassa. I watched fight one the other day. It's well worth checking out.

walshb

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

It's not about achievements. It's the greatest sporting moments .

More people probably saw it live than the others so I can understand it placing as highly as it did.

Achievements/moments... just semantics...

Barry winning a world title that is global and with global appeal blows Offaly winning a national title out of the water. No contest whatsoever..

Far greater moment and far greater achievement.

Joe_ Public

Don Kiddick wrote: »

McGuigan as a boxer was quite limited.... but the night he beat Pedroza has been ingrained in the Irish psyche....he's an affable and amiable individual, he was managed by a man, who was a master when dealing with the papers...and he built this whole "unifying Ireland' aura around Barry.
His boxing legacy is not great... but he will always be admired for that great day in London..

As an aside...how do people view Wayne McCullough ?

I dont disagree with most of what you say, but I've always held McGuigan's cross-community credentials to be genuine and most impressive. He had a fan club in the Shankill and formed bonds that were heartfelt and did make a difference. Of course that just marked him out as a token "west Brit", as indeed has already been alluded to in this thread, but that just went with the territory as we all know.

Pedroza was a great contest, though he looked a little bit past it that night I thought even though he wasn't old by any means at that stage, just had been on the go a long time.

Alf Veedersane

walshb wrote: »

Achievements/moments... just semantics...

They're completely different. Thats why Roche was in for La Plagne...not winning the TdF.

megadodge

walshb wrote: »

Achievements/moments... just semantics...

Barry winning a world title that is global and with global appeal blows Offaly winning a national title out of the water. No contest whatsoever..

Far greater moment and far greater achievement.

As far as I know it's about the most "memorable" sporting moments - not even results or significance but moments that stand out in people's memories.

I'm fairly sure most posters here are too young to rememeber most of the 80s, but if a discussion of memorable sporting moments in Ireland of the 1980s did not include Seamus Darby's fantastic last minute goal to prevent the unstoppable Kerry 5-in-a-row, it would be a farce.

Having said that I think Barry's triumph is more memorable, but that goal will be remembered forever all round Ireland by those who saw it live.

walshb

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

They're completely different. Thats why Roche was in for La Plagne...not winning the TdF.

Fair enough...

Bit ridiculous IMO...

At least stretch it to single sporting achievement...

I missed the programme. Why exactly were Offaly selected?

Don Kiddick

walshb wrote: »

Fair enough...

Bit ridiculous IMO...

At least stretch it to single sporting achievement...

I missed the programme. Why exactly were Offaly selected?

For no other reason than it stopped Kerry doing the five in a row ...

Joe_ Public

It was basically just a means for RTE to milk a bit more lazy tv schedule out of a topic that was sure "to get the nation talking." They've done achievements/best XI/XIVs etc to death over the years, so some bright spark came up with the idea of best sporting "moments" and they all wet their pants at the prospect of it.

Alf Veedersane

walshb wrote: »

Fair enough...

Bit ridiculous IMO...

At least stretch it to single sporting achievement...

I missed the programme. Why exactly were Offaly selected?

They weren't.

Seamus Darby's goal in the last minute to stop a seemingly invincible Kerry team from winning a 5th in a row. It was a huge moment in GAA football finals history.

It's not a debate about which is a better achievement but as a moment in a big occasion that will forever be spoken about in GAA lore, it deserved it's place in the programme.

The whole programme is very subjective. If you have no interest in GAA then it would probably mean nothing to you.

Chivito550

It’s 1962-2012, so that cuts out Ronnie Delaney, and O’Donovan Brothers out of it. Bizarrely random dates to use.

Chivito550

One of them (Brolly I think) referred to Barry losing to Cruz who they called a journeyman. What they didn’t mention was the barbaric temperature he fought that fight in.

Anybody know of any history between Brolly and McGuigan? Fairly appalling to say on live TV that he doesn’t like him.

walshb

Chivito550 wrote: »

One of them (Brolly I think) referred to Barry losing to Cruz who they called a journeyman. What they didn’t mention was the barbaric temperature he fought that fight in.

Anybody know of any history between Brolly and McGuigan? Fairly appalling to say on live TV that he doesn’t like him.

Journeyman comment shows both his ignorance and contempt. Cruz was not very highly ranked, but he was ranked in the top ten at that time by the WBA.

Sounds like both the pricks could not hide their ignorance and contempt for one of our truly great sports persons...

And for anyone to watch that Vegas fight and not come away in absolute awe at Barry’s strength of mind and body is truly bewildering..

I challenge anyone to find a more gutsy and courageous sporting performance displayed by any Irish person ever...

Joe_ Public

Don't know of any history between them, though sure they've probably met on several occasions. Just watched a clip of that show and typical Brolly inserting himself into the narrative by claiming that Barney Eastwood later confided his criticisms of McGuigan to Brolly personally. My best guess would be Brolly's distaste is based on the whole unifying, cross-community thing which I'm sure riled a lot of people up in that time and probably still does.

TheRiverman

megadodge wrote: »

As far as I know it's about the most "memorable" sporting moments - not even results or significance but moments that stand out in people's memories.

I'm fairly sure most posters here are too young to rememeber most of the 80s, but if a discussion of memorable sporting moments in Ireland of the 1980s did not include Seamus Darby's fantastic last minute goal to prevent the unstoppable Kerry 5-in-a-row, it would be a farce.

Having said that I think Barry's triumph is more memorable, but that goal will be remembered forever all round Ireland by those who saw it live.

Another famous GAA moment that stands out in many peoples memories is Mikey Sheehy's brilliant quick thinking goal that started the demolition of Dublin in the 1978 All Ireland Football final.

walshb

TheRiverman wrote: »

Another famous GAA moment that stands out in many peoples memories is Mikey Sheehy's brilliant quick thinking goal that started the demolition of Dublin in the 1978 All Ireland Football final.

For me that is far more recognizable...albeit in the ‘70s

Alf Veedersane

Imagine if the Offaly supporters sitting on the pitch in Semple beats Carruth tonight

CatFromHue

Chivito550 wrote: »

It’s 1962-2012, so that cuts out Ronnie Delaney, and O’Donovan Brothers out of it. Bizarrely random dates to use.

i don't know why they chose that start date but the reason for the end date makes sense, they want events/achievements that stand the test of time. we don't know how we'll view the recent past in a few years.

Help!!!!

Chivito550 wrote: »

Not sure if this has been discussed here, but I watched last week's episode of Ireland's Greatest Sporting Moment, and Joe Brolly and Eamonn Dunphy lambasted Barry McGuigan.

Is this criticism valid?

Brolly went so far to say "I don't like the man".

https://www.balls.ie/boxing/joe-brolly-eamon-dunphy-barry-mcguigan-377408

Both not fit to empty his spit bucket let alone to lace McGuigans gloves
I remember that night he won the world title

Chivito550

CatFromHue wrote: »

i don't know why they chose that start date but the reason for the end date makes sense, they want events/achievements that stand the test of time. we don't know how we'll view the recent past in a few years.

I’d be pretty certain the rowing would stand the test of time, but I get your point. Recency bias and all that.

That’s why Padraig Harrington won greatest Irish sportsperson done back in 2008 or 2009 on RTE.

Berserker

megadodge wrote: »

Don't know what Brolly's problem is, but he has followed the same path as Donkey in creating a career for himself by being controversial, he's just more eloquent.

Barry drew support from both sides of the divide. Therein lies the issue, I suspect. I met Barry a few years ago on a flight and he was one of the nicest people I have ever met. Don't get why RTE would allow Dunphy and Brolly to comment on boxing. Mick Dowling would be the best man for that job.

Sweet Science

Brolly and McGuigan grew up in the same generation during the troubles . I think Brolly has issues with Barry outside of his sporting achievements. Thats the vibe i got

However i know a lot of other people who didnt warm to Barry . My oul lad being one . He said nothing ever will beat Heffos Army for him as his greatest sport moment . Im a big boxing fan but nothing will ever beat Dublin winning the AI in 2011 with the last kick of the game.

Everyone has their own opinion on what moment they enjoyed the best.

Belittling what Barry achieved/or other moments that others regard as their greatest moment is petty and childish.

It ruined what should of been a great moment of nostalgia for everybody. For such a small country there has been so many great sporting moments.

Actually the best part of it was seeing achievements in Sports that i dont particularly have an interest in . Dont ask me why

Berserker

Sweet Science wrote: »

Im a big boxing fan but nothing will ever beat Dublin winning the AI in 2011 with the last kick of the game.

How can something like that overshadow a European, World or Olympic level triumph? Outside of Ireland and the Irish communities abroad, nobody would have a clue about GAA sports.

YFlyer

Don Kiddick wrote: »

For no other reason than it stopped Kerry doing the five in a row ...

It drove him to drink.

Choochtown

hbhook wrote: »

Brolly mentioned McAuley vs Bassa. I watched fight one the other day. It's well worth checking out.

I was there in the King's Hall for the first McAuley Bassa fight. Great night!

It's worth pointing out that although McGuigan is credited for bringing communities together at that time (and I'm not denying that he did appeal to both sides) boxing was, and always has been, largely a sectarian-free sport in Belfast.
I went to quite a few shows in Belfast in the 80s, both amateur and professional, and inside the venue on fight night often felt the safest place to be in the city. Often there would be match-ups between 2 fighters from "opposite sides of the divide" and never once did I feel threatened or afraid of any crowd trouble and this was at a time when you could literally be shot for being the wrong person in the wrong place.

Don Kiddick

YFlyer wrote: »

It drove him to drink.

He'd been drinking long before that ...did you not see the cut of him?

Alf Veedersane

Don Kiddick wrote: »

He'd been drinking long before that ...did you not see the cut of him?

Ger Loughnane did say that Offaly were the "only team in the modern era with fat legs, bellies and arses".

walshb

The actual panelists don’t even seem to know what the format is judging by Ruby Walsh’s scathing dismissal of Ireland’s victory over world soccer power, Italy at USA ‘94....

It’s the moment, Ruby. The fooking moment...

Cork Boy 53

CatFromHue wrote: »

i don't know why they chose that start date but the reason for the end date makes sense, they want events/achievements that stand the test of time. we don't know how we'll view the recent past in a few years.

Because RTE TV started broadcasting in 1962. Any sporting events/moments that RTE TV didn't broadcast do not make the shortlist in this programme.

megadodge

Berserker wrote: »

How can something like that overshadow a European, World or Olympic level triumph? Outside of Ireland and the Irish communities abroad, nobody would have a clue about GAA sports.

I'm sure he can answer for himself, but it's pretty obvious to me that he's not saying Dublin's win was a 'better' achievement, he's saying it meant more to him personally.

Joe_ Public

Sorry to be pedantic but strictly speaking, the Dubs winning the 2011 All Ireland isn't a moment, its half a year encompassing an entire campaign. Same with Sonia O'Sullivan winning gold, Carruth winning an Olympic title and at least half the other "moments" namechecked in the polls. The moment would be contained somewhere therein, maybe Cluxton's winning score, the point Coghlan looks at the Bulgarian and smiles before sprinting away to the line, when Treacy enters the Olympic arena and knows a medal is assured etc. As walshb correctly states above, even RTE blatantly make a nonsense of their own parameters as guest after guest has appeared to confuse moments with achievement and, in some cases, even appear to be settling some personal scores in doing so. It's all silly stuff but it gets the nation talking so it's job done as far as the station is concerned.

SHOVELLER

Anyone else notice the new form of ridicule coming into our great sporting moments? Revisionism.
"It would have happened anyway", "Sure he was nothing without his manager", "Your man was a goner anyway".
Pathetic, petty and sad from those two. While I admired Brolly for donating his kidney to his friend his commentary is very negative and he abides by the GAA mantra of bigotry.
As for dummy nobody in the game takes him seriously. It just shows how competent RTE are to keep paying this chancer and getting rid of Giles who has forgotten more about the game than dummy will ever know.
Dummy is a self confessed criminal and yet somehow people at home take him seriously.
I had the honour of meeting Barry after Frampton's title success in NY and despite the crowd took time out to chat and have photos taken. A gentleman, a ferocious competitor and a winner. None of which apply to those bigots.

timthumbni

I come from and am myself a proud unionist from ni. (Not a loyalist but a unionist) I remember as a wee boy our youth club (all Protestants) stopping all of the activities, bringing in a wee portable tv (mid 80s) into the hall and everyone crowding around to watch the cyclone fight on a Saturday night.

Brollys parents were both sf councillors so I can only imagine the upbringing he had that maybe has clouded his views. Plus he is obviously like some kind of shock jock GAA head out to make a few headlines. A complete bull****ter IMO. Anyway Don’t want to turn this political so won’t go there. Don’t know much about dumpy but others comments have guided me. The few times I’ve heard him I would agree with other posters.

Barry was one of the few sports people who was did have cross community support in NI which was at the height of the troubles then. I have a lot of time and respect for Barry because of this. He was actually pretty unique.

Put it this way outside of Ireland who would have ever heard of Brolly or dumpy? Precisely the square root of feck all.

2 bull****ters looking attention. Why would a GAA head and a failed footballer be talking about boxing anyway??

Sweet Science

Berserker wrote: »

How can something like that overshadow a European, World or Olympic level triumph? Outside of Ireland and the Irish communities abroad, nobody would have a clue about GAA sports.

I was talking about my own personal favourite moment ? Or you telling me what mine can and cant be :eek:

YFlyer

Don Kiddick wrote: »

He'd been drinking long before that ...did you not see the cut of him?

I heard he was a teetotaller before he scored that famous goal.

Joe Musashi

Dunphy is good for a laugh when it comes to football punditry. Would not take any notice of anything else he says. Brolly is just a jumped up angry wee man.

Beechwoodspark

I would say to McGuigan to take it as a source of pride that those two clowns dislike him.