Domestic animals permitted in food areas from today.

CeilingFly · 29-11-2017 08:13PM #1

Food safety rules from 1950's prohibiting domestic animals from all parts of food premises has been repealed.

Hopefully it will see a lot more cafes and restaurants allowing well behaved dogs in - in many cases they'd be better behaved than children

https://www.fsai.ie/details.aspx?id=15768

lawred2 · 29-11-2017 08:14PM

Gross

As long as places well advertise that they allow animals then grand I'll steer clear.

CeilingFly · 29-11-2017 08:21PM

lawred2 wrote: »

Gross

As long as places well advertise that they allow animals then grand I'll steer clear.

You're known as someone who hates animals, thankfully you are in a tiny tiny minority.

I feel sad for you having such an infliction being unable to experience the loyalty and love a dog can give.

lawred2 · 29-11-2017 08:23PM

CeilingFly wrote: »

You're known as someone who hates animals, thankfully you are in a tiny tiny minority.

I feel sad for you having such an infliction being unable to experience the loyalty and love a dog can give.

Don't be a drama queen nor waste your energy feeling sad for me. I don't hate anything. I'm just not going to eat or drink with an animal a few feet away.

I grew up with dogs and cats.

Just not at the dinner table thanks.

Speedwell · 29-11-2017 08:26PM

It's for guide animals for the blind and such, as you both well know.

CeilingFly · 29-11-2017 08:28PM

Speedwell wrote: »

It's for guide animals for the blind and such, as you both well know.

No, it means all domestic animals may be in a food premises once its not in a preparation area, but only if the premises permits it.

The note on guide/assistance dogs is to ensure that these must be permitted and the operator cannot refuse those animals.

lawred2 · 29-11-2017 08:29PM

Speedwell wrote: »

It's for guide animals for the blind and such, as you both well know.

That's fair enough then.

Tilikum · 29-11-2017 08:31PM

That is brilliant news. My misses was working in London for a year. I loved going over to visit as they’re so animal friendly over there. Pubs & cafes - dogs everywhere.

It’s about time.

kylith · 29-11-2017 08:44PM

Excellent news! I've been eating mere inches away from a dog for years and I have yet to die from it.

tk123 · 29-11-2017 09:19PM

kylith wrote: »

Excellent news! I've been eating mere inches away from a dog for years and I have yet to die from it.

Likewise nobody eating near us when we sit outside at the coffee shop or passing us in the market of a weekend has died of anaphylactic shock! :pac:

harr · 29-11-2017 09:25PM

Brilliant news...was in England last year (near Windsor ) and it’s was great to be able to bring dogs for a walk on a cold winters day and pop in for a pint on way back home..the landlord put down water for the dogs and all.

Tilikum · 29-11-2017 09:26PM

harr wrote: »

Brilliant news...was in England last year (near Windsor ) and it’s was great to be able to bring dogs for a walk on a cold winters day and pop in for a pint on way back home..the landlord put down water for the dogs and all.

I know what you mean. We’re miles behind as per usually.

Zapperzy · 29-11-2017 09:32PM

kylith wrote: »

Excellent news! I've been eating mere inches away from a dog for years and I have yet to die from it.

Living life on the edge :P

muddypaws · 29-11-2017 09:38PM

We were in Italy last month, and brought at least one dog with us everytime we went out for dinner. No problem with a GSD size dog coming into restaurants and lying quietly under the table while we ate. We always asked, and the owners were amazed that we were, its just normal there.

Choc Chip · 29-11-2017 10:31PM

Yay!!! Hopefully publicans take advantage of it.

We stopped for food somewhere in the Highlands on our way to north Scotland last year and I sent himself in to ask if they minded us sitting outside with a GSD-ish sized dog and a terrier.

He popped out laughing a few minutes later - the pub was FULL of dogs. I counted about 15 popping in and out while I was there. No one died of any doggy-related illnesses either.

I'm going for a week-long road trip over there with the dogs soon. I love being able to let my big dog off-lead and not worrying about muzzling her. Can we also get a revision to the Control of Dogs Regs while we're at all this sensible legislation. :pac:

borderlinemeath · 30-11-2017 12:40AM

lawred2 wrote: »

Don't be a drama queen nor waste your energy feeling sad for me. I don't hate anything. I'm just not going to eat or drink with an animal a few feet away.

I grew up with dogs and cats.

Just not at the dinner table thanks.

It's actually your post that comes across as far more dramatic. If the FSAI see fit to update their rules then it's fairly obvious that there is no danger in pets being allowed in the public areas of food establishments. Hopefully places won't advertise and you'll be halfway through your dinner somewhere before you realise that there's a dog under the same roof so you can throw your toys out of the pram there and then.:D

Purple Mountain · 30-11-2017 12:43AM

...until the owners get fed up of mopping up dog pee...

borderlinemeath · 30-11-2017 12:44AM

Speedwell wrote: »

It's for guide animals for the blind and such, as you both well know.

Incorrect. It allows the individual operator to make the decision to allow pets or not but notes that if they continue to restrict pets, that they must allow assistance dogs etc.

elperello · 30-11-2017 12:47AM

http://www.doggiepubs.org.uk/

The UK pubs are ahead of us.

borderlinemeath · 30-11-2017 12:48AM

Purple Mountain wrote: »

...until the owners get fed up of mopping up dog pee...

What a ridiculous stereotype.
You do realise that owners who want their dog to accompany them to public places are the ones who put in the training to ensure their dogs are well behaved and house trained?

thedeere · 30-11-2017 12:51AM

I sleep with my dog.

30-11-2017 12:51AM

Purple Mountain wrote: »

...until the owners get fed up of mopping up dog pee...

Where I live it's the norm and I've never once in 5 years seen a dog cause any trouble other than a bark if someone else brings in another dog.

In saying that though, the average dog here is much better trained and looked after than in Ireland so we'll see..

elperello · 30-11-2017 12:58AM

I love them in the UK.

They really add to the experience of going out for a pint.

Couple of labs or retrievers hanging out acting cool and relaxed and a little fecker of a jack russell comes in and owns the joint!

whisky_galore · 30-11-2017 11:58AM

Even with all the rules and regs here, people still take the p*ss because of their lack of responsibility and the existing laws not being enforced.

Leaving dogs stray around housing estates and streets and out chasing cars is the norm here. No doubt there will be the usual glut of unwanted pets after Xmas.

tk123 · 30-11-2017 12:14PM

whisky_galore wrote: »

Even with all the rules and regs here, people still take the p*ss because of their lack of responsibility and the existing laws not being enforced.

Leaving dogs stray around housing estates and streets and out chasing cars is the norm here. No doubt there will be the usual glut of unwanted pets after Xmas.

These aren't the type of owners that would want to bring their dog with them though.. My dogs sit or lie down when we're out with them - most people don't even realise they're there until we get up and leave.

Choc Chip · 30-11-2017 12:19PM

tk123 wrote: »

My dogs sit or lie down when we're out with them - most people don't even realise they're there until we get up and leave.

I have one with manners who I'd happily take anywhere.

The other one would be begging for bits of food and trying to steal my sandwich when I wasn't watching. Probably dipping into my beer if he got a chance... Sometimes drinks whiskey or wine if it's left unattended. He's kept on a very tight leash when we go out.

CeilingFly · 30-11-2017 11:03PM

whisky_galore wrote: »

Even with all the rules and regs here, people still take the p*ss because of their lack of responsibility and the existing laws not being enforced.

Leaving dogs stray around housing estates and streets and out chasing cars is the norm here. No doubt there will be the usual glut of unwanted pets after Xmas.

Have a look in any pub on a Sunday afternoon and see what some people allow their children to do!!!

Some people are just irresponsible whether its to do with dogs or children. Usually they lack brain cells and basic respect for others.

But you can't tar all parents of children or all dog owners just because of a few aholes.

And the unwanted xmas present usually cause a glut in shelters around April when they realise that dogs need almost as much care and attention as children.

But remember, the premises controls fully whether they allow dogs, they can refuse certain size / breeds / whatever without fear of legal challenge and that alone will ensure that irresponsible owners won't be permitted.

Purple Mountain · 30-11-2017 11:40PM

borderlinemeath wrote: »

What a ridiculous stereotype.
You do realise that owners who want their dog to accompany them to public places are the ones who put in the training to ensure their dogs are well behaved and house trained?

Please post a link to the data to back up your statement.

borderlinemeath · 01-12-2017 12:19AM

Purple Mountain wrote: »

Please post a link to the data to back up your statement.

Please post a link to the poll of pub and restaurant owners who you correlated data from who insist they'll be fed up of mopping up dog pee.:D

You made a statement based on you're distaste for dogs in food establishments. I made a statement based on the anecdotal evidence I encounter every time I bring my dogs to a public place for food/drink/coffee and meet other like minded people. Those that don't bother training or even housetraining their dogs do not bring them out for Sunday lunch. If they can't even be bothered training them, do you think they would walk them on a regular basis, or even consider to bring them for coffee/lunch?

vicwatson · 01-12-2017 12:42AM

Well for me it'll go like this

Rings restaurants to book a table, first question asked - " do you allow animals in your restaurant, in the dining area?", if the the answer is "yes" then I politely tell them thanks but no thanks but don't want a reservation after all.

If all cat and dog lovers want to take their pets to a restaurant that's ok by me, I'm just not sitting in the same place where dogs and cats have frequented.

I'd say most restaurant owners wont allow this to happen in their restaurant so will be a rarity rather than the norm.

em_cat · 01-12-2017 01:06AM

I’m all for the change & as much as I love ðŸ’• taking our lil’ chap to cafes & pubs that he is allowed into, what really irks me is that people who refuse to leash their dogs when entering on leash only places get so pissy when my very well mannered lil’ chap gets a bit stroppy because the owner can’t follow rules.

I do have to add that the couple of places we do go are incredibly wonderful about finding out of the way places for us to eat & relax...

And to any one who objects to the change, poo on you...

Domestic animals permitted in food areas from today.

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