Domestic animals permitted in food areas from today.

CeilingFly

Food safety rules from 1950's prohibiting domestic animals from all parts of food premises has been repealed.

Hopefully it will see a lot more cafes and restaurants allowing well behaved dogs in - in many cases they'd be better behaved than children

https://www.fsai.ie/details.aspx?id=15768

lawred2

Gross

As long as places well advertise that they allow animals then grand I'll steer clear.

CeilingFly

lawred2 wrote: »

Gross

As long as places well advertise that they allow animals then grand I'll steer clear.

You're known as someone who hates animals, thankfully you are in a tiny tiny minority.

I feel sad for you having such an infliction being unable to experience the loyalty and love a dog can give.

lawred2

CeilingFly wrote: »

You're known as someone who hates animals, thankfully you are in a tiny tiny minority.

I feel sad for you having such an infliction being unable to experience the loyalty and love a dog can give.

Don't be a drama queen nor waste your energy feeling sad for me. I don't hate anything. I'm just not going to eat or drink with an animal a few feet away.

I grew up with dogs and cats.

Just not at the dinner table thanks.

Speedwell

It's for guide animals for the blind and such, as you both well know.

CeilingFly

Speedwell wrote: »

It's for guide animals for the blind and such, as you both well know.

No, it means all domestic animals may be in a food premises once its not in a preparation area, but only if the premises permits it.

The note on guide/assistance dogs is to ensure that these must be permitted and the operator cannot refuse those animals.

lawred2

Speedwell wrote: »

It's for guide animals for the blind and such, as you both well know.

That's fair enough then.

Tilikum

That is brilliant news. My misses was working in London for a year. I loved going over to visit as they’re so animal friendly over there. Pubs & cafes - dogs everywhere.

It’s about time.

kylith

Excellent news! I've been eating mere inches away from a dog for years and I have yet to die from it.

tk123

kylith wrote: »

Excellent news! I've been eating mere inches away from a dog for years and I have yet to die from it.

Likewise nobody eating near us when we sit outside at the coffee shop or passing us in the market of a weekend has died of anaphylactic shock! :pac:

harr

Brilliant news...was in England last year (near Windsor ) and it’s was great to be able to bring dogs for a walk on a cold winters day and pop in for a pint on way back home..the landlord put down water for the dogs and all.

Tilikum

harr wrote: »

Brilliant news...was in England last year (near Windsor ) and it’s was great to be able to bring dogs for a walk on a cold winters day and pop in for a pint on way back home..the landlord put down water for the dogs and all.

I know what you mean. We’re miles behind as per usually.

Zapperzy

kylith wrote: »

Excellent news! I've been eating mere inches away from a dog for years and I have yet to die from it.

Living life on the edge :P

muddypaws

We were in Italy last month, and brought at least one dog with us everytime we went out for dinner. No problem with a GSD size dog coming into restaurants and lying quietly under the table while we ate. We always asked, and the owners were amazed that we were, its just normal there.

Choc Chip

Yay!!! Hopefully publicans take advantage of it.

We stopped for food somewhere in the Highlands on our way to north Scotland last year and I sent himself in to ask if they minded us sitting outside with a GSD-ish sized dog and a terrier.

He popped out laughing a few minutes later - the pub was FULL of dogs. I counted about 15 popping in and out while I was there. No one died of any doggy-related illnesses either.

I'm going for a week-long road trip over there with the dogs soon. I love being able to let my big dog off-lead and not worrying about muzzling her. Can we also get a revision to the Control of Dogs Regs while we're at all this sensible legislation. :pac:

borderlinemeath

lawred2 wrote: »

Don't be a drama queen nor waste your energy feeling sad for me. I don't hate anything. I'm just not going to eat or drink with an animal a few feet away.

I grew up with dogs and cats.

Just not at the dinner table thanks.

It's actually your post that comes across as far more dramatic. If the FSAI see fit to update their rules then it's fairly obvious that there is no danger in pets being allowed in the public areas of food establishments. Hopefully places won't advertise and you'll be halfway through your dinner somewhere before you realise that there's a dog under the same roof so you can throw your toys out of the pram there and then.:D

Purple Mountain

...until the owners get fed up of mopping up dog pee...

borderlinemeath

Speedwell wrote: »

It's for guide animals for the blind and such, as you both well know.

Incorrect. It allows the individual operator to make the decision to allow pets or not but notes that if they continue to restrict pets, that they must allow assistance dogs etc.

elperello

http://www.doggiepubs.org.uk/

The UK pubs are ahead of us.

borderlinemeath

Purple Mountain wrote: »

...until the owners get fed up of mopping up dog pee...

What a ridiculous stereotype.
You do realise that owners who want their dog to accompany them to public places are the ones who put in the training to ensure their dogs are well behaved and house trained?

thedeere

I sleep with my dog.

riffmongous

Purple Mountain wrote: »

...until the owners get fed up of mopping up dog pee...

Where I live it's the norm and I've never once in 5 years seen a dog cause any trouble other than a bark if someone else brings in another dog.

In saying that though, the average dog here is much better trained and looked after than in Ireland so we'll see..

elperello

I love them in the UK.

They really add to the experience of going out for a pint.

Couple of labs or retrievers hanging out acting cool and relaxed and a little fecker of a jack russell comes in and owns the joint!

whisky_galore

Even with all the rules and regs here, people still take the p*ss because of their lack of responsibility and the existing laws not being enforced.

Leaving dogs stray around housing estates and streets and out chasing cars is the norm here. No doubt there will be the usual glut of unwanted pets after Xmas.

tk123

whisky_galore wrote: »

Even with all the rules and regs here, people still take the p*ss because of their lack of responsibility and the existing laws not being enforced.

Leaving dogs stray around housing estates and streets and out chasing cars is the norm here. No doubt there will be the usual glut of unwanted pets after Xmas.

These aren't the type of owners that would want to bring their dog with them though.. My dogs sit or lie down when we're out with them - most people don't even realise they're there until we get up and leave.

Choc Chip

tk123 wrote: »

My dogs sit or lie down when we're out with them - most people don't even realise they're there until we get up and leave.

I have one with manners who I'd happily take anywhere.

The other one would be begging for bits of food and trying to steal my sandwich when I wasn't watching. Probably dipping into my beer if he got a chance... Sometimes drinks whiskey or wine if it's left unattended. He's kept on a very tight leash when we go out.

CeilingFly

whisky_galore wrote: »

Even with all the rules and regs here, people still take the p*ss because of their lack of responsibility and the existing laws not being enforced.

Leaving dogs stray around housing estates and streets and out chasing cars is the norm here. No doubt there will be the usual glut of unwanted pets after Xmas.

Have a look in any pub on a Sunday afternoon and see what some people allow their children to do!!!

Some people are just irresponsible whether its to do with dogs or children. Usually they lack brain cells and basic respect for others.

But you can't tar all parents of children or all dog owners just because of a few aholes.


And the unwanted xmas present usually cause a glut in shelters around April when they realise that dogs need almost as much care and attention as children.

But remember, the premises controls fully whether they allow dogs, they can refuse certain size / breeds / whatever without fear of legal challenge and that alone will ensure that irresponsible owners won't be permitted.

Purple Mountain

borderlinemeath wrote: »

What a ridiculous stereotype.
You do realise that owners who want their dog to accompany them to public places are the ones who put in the training to ensure their dogs are well behaved and house trained?

Please post a link to the data to back up your statement.

borderlinemeath

Purple Mountain wrote: »

Please post a link to the data to back up your statement.

Please post a link to the poll of pub and restaurant owners who you correlated data from who insist they'll be fed up of mopping up dog pee.:D

You made a statement based on you're distaste for dogs in food establishments. I made a statement based on the anecdotal evidence I encounter every time I bring my dogs to a public place for food/drink/coffee and meet other like minded people. Those that don't bother training or even housetraining their dogs do not bring them out for Sunday lunch. If they can't even be bothered training them, do you think they would walk them on a regular basis, or even consider to bring them for coffee/lunch?

vicwatson

Well for me it'll go like this

Rings restaurants to book a table, first question asked - " do you allow animals in your restaurant, in the dining area?", if the the answer is "yes" then I politely tell them thanks but no thanks but don't want a reservation after all.

If all cat and dog lovers want to take their pets to a restaurant that's ok by me, I'm just not sitting in the same place where dogs and cats have frequented.

I'd say most restaurant owners wont allow this to happen in their restaurant so will be a rarity rather than the norm.

em_cat

I’m all for the change & as much as I love 💕 taking our lil’ chap to cafes & pubs that he is allowed into, what really irks me is that people who refuse to leash their dogs when entering on leash only places get so pissy when my very well mannered lil’ chap gets a bit stroppy because the owner can’t follow rules.

I do have to add that the couple of places we do go are incredibly wonderful about finding out of the way places for us to eat & relax...

And to any one who objects to the change, poo on you...

borderlinemeath

vicwatson wrote: »

Well for me it'll go like this

Rings restaurants to book a table, first question asked - " do you allow animals in your restaurant, in the dining area?", if the the answer is "yes" then I politely tell them thanks but no thanks but don't want a reservation after all.

If all cat and dog lovers want to take their pets to a restaurant that's ok by me, I'm just not sitting in the same place where dogs and cats have frequented.

I'd say most restaurant owners wont allow this to happen in their restaurant so will be a rarity rather than the norm.

I'll be asking too. And if they say no, I'll politely tell them thanks but no thanks. For too long pet owners have been ostracized outside with the smokers, so if there's going to be places where I can sit inside in comfort and clean air then I'll be booking it.

It's well documented that smoking and inhalation of second hand smoke is hazardous to health, unlike the well documented benefits of pet owning, such as owners being fitter, healthier and less stressed. In 2014 the level of pet ownership per household was estimated at 20%. The same year, smoking levels were estimated at 19.5%, down from 21.5% from 2013. Yet all pubs have smoking areas or terraces for a declining unhealthy habit. You may find that establishments welcoming pets may be more welcoming than you think. And it also might entice families to stay in Ireland for their holidays if they find their pets are welcome in tourist establishments.

See it works both ways;)

vicwatson

borderlinemeath wrote: »

I'll be asking too. And if they say no, I'll politely tell them thanks but no thanks. For too long pet owners have been ostracized outside with the smokers, so if there's going to be places where I can sit inside in comfort and clean air then I'll be booking it.

It's well documented that smoking and inhalation of second hand smoke is hazardous to health, unlike the well documented benefits of pet owning, such as owners being fitter, healthier and less stressed. In 2014 the level of pet ownership per household was estimated at 20%. The same year, smoking levels were estimated at 19.5%, down from 21.5% from 2013. Yet all pubs have smoking areas or terraces for a declining unhealthy habit. You may find that establishments welcoming pets may be more welcoming than you think. And it also might entice families to stay in Ireland for their holidays if they find their pets are welcome in tourist establishments.

See it works both ways;)

Eh no one says it didn’t, will see how many restaurant owners allow it and how it is after a year of business.

whisky_galore

CeilingFly wrote: »

But you can't tar all parents of children or all dog owners just because of a few aholes.

I think it's a cultural thing, the 'few a-holes' who do this are usually unchallenged by everyone else...as we mind our own business or we're all too polite to pull them up on it, reinforces anti-child and anti-pet attitudes and the offenders will just carry on acting the maggot in like fashion.

I caught Ivan Yeats bemoaning the change saying that he hates sharing a restaurant with children, let alone animals.

Latatian

I gave out to someone before who ALLOWED their dog to urinate on a bookcase indoors, then walked off. I mean they stopped to let the dog pee. Hopefully restaurants etc will kick these bollockses out just like they would if they allowed their child to urinate on the floor.

AryaStark

Purple Mountain wrote: »

...until the owners get fed up of mopping up dog pee...

I have a local put that allows dogs (and has for quite a while now!!!) ... I love to go in for a coffee with my husky. I have never seen any dog there lift a leg or do a wee... they always give a dog bowl of water and offer treats!

I think this is a very good thing.

Irish Stones

muddypaws wrote: »

We were in Italy last month, and brought at least one dog with us everytime we went out for dinner. No problem with a GSD size dog coming into restaurants and lying quietly under the table while we ate. We always asked, and the owners were amazed that we were, its just normal there.

In Italy, where I live, nearly all premises allow animals.
Not only at outdoor tables, but even inside. We can lead our dogs inside post offices, shops of any kind, pharmacies, restaurants. Dogs are not allowed in supermarkets only and in some cloth shops.
Different rules apply in diferent areas of the country. In the northwest, where I live, the normality is that a dog can go in any premise. Should a shop owner refuse the access to dogs they have to apply with the local authorities and give a valid and legal reason why they refuse dogs. Not always the application is accepted, though.
Premises that do not allow dogs inside have a sticker on the window. No sticker means dog allowed.
We also have cat café, coffee shops were cats are part of the staff

Dyr

I'd be more inclined to eat near dogs than most people.

There will be plenty on here who will moan about this. As there always is but thankfully my experience in the real world has always been really positive.

Khali has sat with me at outdoor seating of numerous cafes, bars and restaurants over the years while we and others ate. She has also sat inside pubs serving food while we and those around us ate. And a couple of times shes accompanied me to hotel lobbies while we and some people around us ate. Never has anyone said or done anything negative or acted in any way to make me believe they might be uncomfortable.

In fact, it's always been the exact opposite. I usually spend my meal with total strangers telling me how lovely she is, how well behaved she is or talking to me about their own dogs or pets. She tends to turn boring quiet meals into a lovely social outing.

No one has ever become visible upset, stood up and left or indeed died.

I would never bring my other dog to these places. Hes too nervous and yappy.

borderlinemeath

whisky_galore wrote: »

I think it's a cultural thing, the 'few a-holes' who do this are usually unchallenged by everyone else...as we mind our own business or we're all too polite to pull them up on it, reinforces anti-child and anti-pet attitudes and the offenders will just carry on acting the maggot in like fashion.

I caught Ivan Yeats bemoaning the change saying that he hates sharing a restaurant with children, let alone animals.

In public I find people are far quicker to berate pet owners for bad behaviour than parents of hyper children. It's partly because they feel that they occupy a moral high ground shared with other pet haters whereas it's not really pc to give out to badly behaved children.

Although I find you do get praise for well behaved pets, as the assumption is that all dogs are uncontrollable and owners irresponsible.

SterlingArcher

As long as there is adequate signage. I don't see a problem.

If I was eating in a restaurant that didn't have a sign specially stating it and someone came in and sat beside me with a cat or dog that wasn't a guide dog.

I'd be leaving and not going back. No biggy. Plenty of other places.

I will say this. If you think you're in a majority of anything other than in the pet forum's. You are wrong.

one armed dwarf

Read the thread title as meaning that we can cook and eat dogs in restaurants, was very confused for a bit.

seamus

vicwatson wrote: »

Well for me it'll go like this

Rings restaurants to book a table, first question asked - " do you allow animals in your restaurant, in the dining area?"

No you won't. Every time you ring to book a table from now on, you're going to ask if they allow animals? Even places you've been before may have changed their policy. So you'll ask every time?
No, you won't. Because it doesn't matter as much to you as you let on that it does.
Someone might walk in with a dog and you'll have a puss on you, but that's about it.

Deleted User wrote: »

There will be plenty on here who will moan about this. As there always is

The Irish are great for the self-deprecation. "Ah sure it works in other countries, but it would never work in Ireland because we can't be trusted not to take the piss".

This will work out great. There is no social setting that cannot be enhanced by the inclusion of a pupper*. Sometimes people bring their dogs into work. Brightens up the day no end.

borderlinemeath

SterlingArcher wrote: »

As long as there is adequate signage. I don't see a problem.

If I was eating in a restaurant that didn't have a sign specially stating it and someone came in and sat beside me with a cat or dog that wasn't a guide dog.

I'd be leaving and not going back. No biggy. Plenty of other places.

I will say this. If you think you're in a majority of anything other than in the pet forum's. You are wrong.

But what is the difference? Assistance dogs still shed hair and dander and can be a portal for parasites like any other dog? If you have allergies then you'll still have allergies with an assistance dog.

I stated above that it's estimated that 20% of the households in Ireland own a pet, how in the name of primary school maths could anybody consider that a majority? Or did you just want to chime in with a dig?

em_cat

borderlinemeath wrote: »

In public I find people are far quicker to berate pet owners for bad behaviour than parents of hyper children. It's partly because they feel that they occupy a moral high ground shared with other pet haters whereas it's not really pc to give out to badly behaved children.

Disagree; there is nothing wrong with giving out about misbehaving children in public. Mind though, I give out to the adults, not the children themselves. I do the same for misbehaving pets in public.

Alun

I'm intrigued to know what the nay-sayers think exactly will happen to them if, shock horror, a dog is allowed in the same room as them while they're eating, something that hundreds of millions of pet owners do on a daily basis worldwide without any ill effects?

borderlinemeath

em_cat wrote: »

Disagree; there is nothing wrong with giving out about misbehaving children in public. Mind though, I give out to the adults, not the children themselves. I Do the same for misbehaving pets in public.

I used to be the one frowning at my table when a child was running riot or having a screaming fit. Then I had one of my own and have been the person lifting their screaming 2yr old out to the car to calm down because they can't have the dessert that the table beside us is having. You also have to take into account that plenty of children are on the autism spectrum or have special needs that mean their public behaviour isn't necessarily the 1970's norm of being "seen and not heard"

SterlingArcher

borderlinemeath wrote: »

But what is the difference? Assistance dogs still shed hair and dander and can be a portal for parasites like any other dog? If you have allergies then you'll still have allergies with an assistance dog.

I stated above that it's estimated that 20% of the households in Ireland own a pet, how in the name of primary school maths could anybody consider that a majority? Or did you just want to chime in with a dig?

If someone is dependant on a dog for their life and cannot get around without the dogs help then I'd compromise. I never said anything about diseases it's a personal choice.

Did I quote you, your 20% post? It's you who felt the need to chime in with a high schools math dig.

Zapperzy

I'v been in quite a few European cities where dogs are just considered part of every day life and accompany owners into shops, cafes and restaurants. Can't see how it would work any different here, clearly there aren't scores of people dying or getting sick from eating in close proximity to dogs in these countries. It's not like the dogs are jumping up on the same tables you eat your dinner on.

I was in a little pizza restaurant in Slovenia last summer, packed to the gills with people and a queue out the door waiting for seats. A group got up next to us and out stumbles a dog the size of a pony from under the table, he must've been tucked up asleep under the table as I never noticed him.

Back 6 or 7 years ago we brought our terrier on holidays to donegal, brought him everywhere we were allowed including sitting outside a few cafes. He just lay out under the table and bothered nobody. Anybody who didn't like dogs I assume just didn't approach us, one elderly man actually told us he kept cairn terriers when he was younger and asked could he bring him for a little walk. Made the man's day :-)

OnDraught

borderlinemeath wrote: »

What a ridiculous stereotype.
You do realise that owners who want their dog to accompany them to public places are the ones who put in the training to ensure their dogs are well behaved and house trained?

That's not true. I worked somewhere that had lots of dogs in every day and you would be amazed at the amount of dogs pissing inside and owners not even making the staff aware that it had happened.

The Mulk

Alun wrote: »

I'm intrigued to know what the nay-sayers think exactly will happen to them if, shock horror, a dog is allowed in the same room as them while they're eating, something that hundreds of millions of pet owners do on a daily basis worldwide without any ill effects?

I don't think anything bad will happen to me, i'd just rather not have an animal beside me while i'm paying for the privilege of eating out. It's the same reason i'll get a babysitter and go out at 8 pm to a nice restaurant, i don't expect to see kids there and it would take the shine off the experience if there were a couple of dogs sprawled on the floor.
I've had pints in pubs and beer gardens with well behaved dogs and it hasn't bothered anyone, i think there's a time and a place
I've only mentioned dogs, what other domesticated animals would be allowed?

I've just read the FAQ around the legislation, it sound like a pain in the hole for the proprietor to ensure compliance. I don't think we'll see much of an uptake