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Why did Gardai destroy possible burial site of Irelands longest missing child?

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  • #2492
    Creol1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 554 ✭✭✭Creol1


    Addilynn Wooden Saloon wrote: »
    Didn't she see him across the lake and called to him to call the garda. Or was it he who told her call them? Isn't that the same lake?

    I think they had an argument at the lake over who should go to the Guards and in the end the anglers at the lake went? They couldn't actually call the Guards because there was no landline in the house.


  • #2493
    by8auj6csd3ioq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,124 ✭✭✭by8auj6csd3ioq


    I think they had an argument at the lake over who should go to the Guards and in the end the anglers at the lake went?
    That is right so she would have seen him at the lake

    Anyone see the Star


  • #2494
    mikeymouse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 568 ✭✭✭mikeymouse


    oranbhoy67 wrote: »
    it was found at the lough nearby, the same lough that Marys uncle Gerry immediately ran to ( or drove to depending on what account you read) and Marys mother drove to as well, they met each other at the lough and shouted acrossthe water to each other to call the gards, and in the end it was 2 poachers on the lake who ended up rowing into ballyshannon and alerting the gards

    It was found in this location the next day
    and nothing was ever heard or mentioned about it again since

    the official line was always that "not a trace was found"

    So there was at least one car at the lake.possibly two. and yet it was the fishermen (who were fishing illegally and would be in no rush to get guards involved) who went .
    Was this to get the fishermen out of the way?
    I don't think you can row a boat into Ballyshannon from that lake .


  • #2495
    clfy39tzve8njq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 597 ✭✭✭clfy39tzve8njq


    mikeymouse wrote:
    I don't think you can row a boat into Ballyshannon from that lake .


    Don't think you can either but open to correction. Hope I'm wrong but I'm not sure the new information about the cardigan will bring this to an end. Do the two lads know who they handed over the cardigan to.


  • #2496
    by8auj6csd3ioq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,124 ✭✭✭by8auj6csd3ioq


    Article in today's star about latest developments and the mirror have lifted it and put an abridged version on their website
    Is that the sunday world story then, more or less or has the SW more?


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  • #2497
    oranbhoy67
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭oranbhoy67


    Jaylah Grumpy Pile wrote: »
    Don't think you can either but open to correction. Hope I'm wrong but I'm not sure the new information about the cardigan will bring this to an end. Do the two lads know who they handed over the cardigan to.

    they dont know his name but said they could identify him if they saw him again, the story always was that they rowed into Ballyshannon , again something I will have to look at


  • #2498
    by8auj6csd3ioq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,124 ✭✭✭by8auj6csd3ioq


    This is Joe Craig's interview with Niall Boylan 12 mins 25MB can be downloaded for 30 days. Hope its OK to put here

    https://uploadfiles.io/yua5j


  • #2499
    oranbhoy67
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭oranbhoy67


    Addilynn Wooden Saloon wrote: »
    This is Joe Craig's interview with Niall Boylan 12 mins 25MB can be downloaded for 30 days. Hope its OK to put here

    https://uploadfiles.io/yua5j


    it is, of course, thank you very much for that

    The radio station told me there would be possible delays in having the podcast version of it up as they had been having technical difficulties all day

    but here is the live Facebook stream link as it happened


    https://www.facebook.com/NiallBoylanAtNight/videos/vb.131193550289985/1598093503599975/?type=2&theater


  • #2500
    oranbhoy67
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭oranbhoy67


    Addilynn Wooden Saloon wrote: »
    Is that the sunday world story then, more or less or has the SW more?

    it is my belief that there will be more in the SW this weekend but I have learned my lesson from last week not to go promising due to the way the newspaper industry has to fit in breaking news etc and sometimes other stories fall by the wayside


  • #2501
    oranbhoy67
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭oranbhoy67


    mikeymouse wrote: »
    So there was at least one car at the lake.possibly two. and yet it was the fishermen (who were fishing illegally and would be in no rush to get guards involved) who went .
    Was this to get the fishermen out of the way?
    I don't think you can row a boat into Ballyshannon from that lake .

    there was one car at the lake ( assuming the fishermen didnt have one)

    and also one at the home Mary left from!

    as for the second part, it is something I have wondered myself


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  • #2502
    oranbhoy67
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭oranbhoy67


    Addilynn Wooden Saloon wrote: »
    This is Joe Craig's interview with Niall Boylan 12 mins 25MB can be downloaded for 30 days. Hope its OK to put here

    https://uploadfiles.io/yua5j


    would anyone on here with the capabilities be able to turn that audio into a youtube video for me?

    Im not into this for any personal glory and I hate the sound of my own voice I only went on because Ann felt uncomfortable to do so.

    but I want to have this on record to share for the sake of the campaign and not just have it available as a facebook link


  • #2503
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,699 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    oranbhoy67 wrote: »
    would anyone on here with the capabilities be able to turn that audio into a youtube video for me?

    Im not into this for any personal glory and I hate the sound of my own voice I only went on because Ann felt uncomfortable to do so.

    but I want to have this on record to share for the sake of the campaign and not just have it available as a facebook link

    Do you want an image on the video? Titles? PM me


  • #2504
    oranbhoy67
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭oranbhoy67


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Do you want an image on the video? Titles? PM me
    PM incoming Thank you


  • #2505
    by8auj6csd3ioq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,124 ✭✭✭by8auj6csd3ioq


    Do you want an image on the video? Titles? PM me
    Post the link on this thread please?


  • #2506
    oranbhoy67
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭oranbhoy67


    Addilynn Wooden Saloon wrote: »
    Post the link on this thread please?



    no problem, Please share far and wide


  • #2507
    by8auj6csd3ioq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,124 ✭✭✭by8auj6csd3ioq


    @FrancieBrady Well done


  • #2508
    by8auj6csd3ioq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,124 ✭✭✭by8auj6csd3ioq


    @FrancieBrady Well done


  • #2509
    dense
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,175 ✭✭✭dense


    oranbhoy67 wrote: »
    they dont know his name but said they could identify him if they saw him again, the story always was that they rowed into Ballyshannon , again something I will have to look at

    Sorry for the questions:

    Was it a guard, the person they say they handed the cardigan over to?

    And are these two fishing a different two than the two who saw nothing originally and then one of them claimed to have seen Mary being driven away in a red VW beetle?

    Because you now have a story about a red VW at the scene with Mary in it, that was allegedly reported to the Gardai at the time, and also a cardigan allegedly found at the time.

    And neither have ever been mentioned once by the Gardai in the course of decades of numerous public appeals about the disappearance.

    This is the second allegation being made that Gardai were informed about particular events, neither of which, according to those who are making the claims, were ever followed up on.

    I don't know how credible any of this is, the claims themselves or the ongoing lack of garda response or investigation into these claims.

    Are these claims genuine at all or are they being made to throw Gardai OFF the scent?

    To place Mary away from the field and the house and closer to the road?

    The Gardai bit their lips and maintained radio silence after it was claimed that they'd been told about the VW. The claim effectively was that they'd been given a lead but chose not to investigate it.

    They didn't contradict or accept that. Nothing.

    What's the betting the cardigan will get the same treatment. Say nothing and it will go away, OR, the Guards are not being distracted by it.

    Thoughts?


  • #2510
    by8auj6csd3ioq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,124 ✭✭✭by8auj6csd3ioq


    Just because the gardai do not comment does not mean they are not looking into the VW and now cardigan


  • #2511
    dense
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,175 ✭✭✭dense


    Addilynn Wooden Saloon wrote: »
    Just because the gardai do not comment does not mean they are not looking into the VW and now cardigan

    Normally I'd agree, but I thought the VW was complete hot air.

    The waiting 40 years to make such an explicit allegation in complete contrast to what they've said to any reporter in the interim.

    Same with this cardigan. First anyone hears of it is in 2017.


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  • #2512
    by8auj6csd3ioq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,124 ✭✭✭by8auj6csd3ioq


    dense wrote: »
    Normally I'd agree, but I thought the VW was complete hot air.

    The waiting 40 years to make such an explicit allegation in complete contrast to what they've said to any reporter in the interim.

    Same with this cardigan. First anyone hears of it is in 2017.
    The two guys who found the cardigan handed it up and came forward when they saw gemma's film. They had assumed it was being dealt with. Listen to the interview FrancieBrady linked about 9 mins in


  • #2513
    dense
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,175 ✭✭✭dense


    Addilynn Wooden Saloon wrote: »
    The two guys who found the cardigan handed it up and came forward when they saw gemma's film. They had assumed it was being dealt with. Listen to the interview FrancieBrady linked about 9 mins in

    Will do, I just can't listen to it at the moment. Thanks


  • #2514
    oranbhoy67
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭oranbhoy67


    to clear things up on the "red VW "

    there was 3 eye witnesses to the comings and goings on the road that day, the 2 poachers on the boat, and a tree surgeon working on the "main" road

    all 3 said n their statements they saw 3 cars that day, no mention of a VW Beetle whatsoever.

    Fast forward a number of years and the tree surgeon has passed away, and in a later interview Pj Coughlan AKA "Happy Harry" claims that he saw a red VW beetle being driven away with Mary inside but "didn't think to mention this to the Gards because they already had a suspect". He says that he visited the house where Mary disappeared IFIRC in the late 80s and told her of this .. only problem there is that the house had lain empty since the grandfather died a year or 2 after Mary went missing and the Grandmother was living 2 hours drive away in Marys own home in Keadue, Co Donegal

    Fast forward another couple of Years and "Happy Harry" tells his story to the Star .. meanwhile the other anglers niece comments on a Facebook posting of the Story saying "her Uncle was there that day, saw no Red VW Beetle and his story has never changed"


    Im sorry but I cant take this mans change of story seriously at all


  • #2515
    by8auj6csd3ioq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,124 ✭✭✭by8auj6csd3ioq


    Saw the Sunday World storey. Any developments?


  • #2516
    by8auj6csd3ioq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,124 ✭✭✭by8auj6csd3ioq


    Story not storey sorry, can't edit for some reason


  • #2517
    oranbhoy67
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭oranbhoy67


    the gardai still haven't spoken to the witness in England a week after saying they would, the witness that gave a statement in Donegal gave a very long detailed statement and is certain that it was handed to a gard


  • #2518
    Phat Dick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 82 ✭✭Phat Dick


    Did this case get much media attention at the time and in the years after ? It seems to have been very low profile compared to the Philip Ciarns case which got frequent media coverage right through the 90s. I don't think I heard of Mary Boyle until the solved and unsolved documentary in 2000ish.


  • #2519
    oranbhoy67
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭oranbhoy67


    Phat Dick wrote: »
    Did this case get much media attention at the time and in the years after ? It seems to have been very low profile compared to the Philip Ciarns case which got frequent media coverage right through the 90s. I don't think I heard of Mary Boyle until the solved and unsolved documentary in 2000ish.


    it did at the time and sporadically down through the years, there would be the odd documentary every few years and newspaper articles.

    Not enough in my opinion but I don't think that is because of any conspiracy, but still half the people I speak to in Donegal haven't heard of Mary or her case, contrast that with Madeline McCann and other cases


  • #2520
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,268 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    oranbhoy67 wrote: »
    it did at the time and sporadically down through the years, there would be the odd documentary every few years and newspaper articles.

    Not enough in my opinion but I don't think that is because of any conspiracy, but still half the people I speak to in Donegal haven't heard of Mary or her case, contrast that with Madeline McCann and other cases
    My mother, God rest her, used to pray for Mary every night and tell us to do likewise.


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  • #2521
    by8auj6csd3ioq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,124 ✭✭✭by8auj6csd3ioq


    .
    Did this case get much media attention at the time and in the years after ? It seems to have been very low profile compared to the Philip Ciarns case which got frequent media coverage right through the 90s. I don't think I heard of Mary Boyle until the solved and unsolved documentary in 2000ish.
    in about 93 or 94 there was a story in the star or sun or some tabloid. One of my friends wrote some song words about her as a result but he got sick and never did anything with them


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