Let's say something nice about Travellers

Sweetemotion · 26-11-2017 09:06PM

end of the road wrote: »

it absolutely would yes. bad experiences or other reasons are just used as an excuse for that prejudice, the same happened with other minority groups in the past.
the difference is now that with other minority groups such as blacks and gays, prejudice is no longer tolerated and rightly so. the same will happen with travelers eventually.

Everybody thinks the Chinese are a great bunch lads. Why is that?

Professor Moriarty · 26-11-2017 09:18PM

end of the road wrote: »

discrimination against travelers happened, happens, and is happening. that can't be denied. yes there are travelers involved in criminality and fraud but it's ultimately up to the government to give the gardai more resources to enforce the law. cab and revenue are doing their bit to target criminal gains and tax evasion but they can only do so much.

Well no. It's up to the travellers involved in criminality and fraud to stop breaking the law.

end of the road · 26-11-2017 09:21PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Well no. It's up to the travellers involved in criminality and fraud to stop breaking the law.

agreed but they aren't going to do it so the courts need to deal with them.

Professor Moriarty · 26-11-2017 09:22PM

end of the road wrote: »

agreed but they aren't going to do it so the courts need to deal with them.

Indeed, but the blame lies with the criminals not the courts, police or government.

begbysback · 26-11-2017 09:25PM

They have lovely passports

pebbles21 · 26-11-2017 10:57PM

They have great eyesight ..I can honestly say I've never seen a traveller wearing glasses

26-11-2017 11:05PM

pebbles21 wrote: »

They have great eyesight ..I can honestly say I've never seen a traveller wearing glasses

That's so weirdly specific.... and true.

Agricola · 26-11-2017 11:07PM

What have a Yorkshire hillwalker and a Traveller got in common?

They both love the aul' dales!

Ken. · 26-11-2017 11:14PM

Their was a traveller man and his 2 daughters living next door to us. He's about 45 and the girls were 16 and 17. I use to help them out with fixing their laptop or phones cause they weren't good with that stuff.

Our local cinema does a €5 wednesday deal and the girls would get pocket money to go to it and buy some sweets. One week they knocked the door and presented me with a 6 pack of coke and a packet of smokes(father got them).

They gave up their cinema to buy me a present cause I'd helped them.

CeilingFly · 26-11-2017 11:16PM

They provide overtime opportunities to Gardaí and keep prison officers in gainful employment.

Isolt · 26-11-2017 11:29PM

I have lost 3 babies, on the second one I had a scan and it showed no heartbeat so I was sent for a D&C and sent home the next day.
Within 24 hours I had become seriously ill, dizzy, weak and couldn't stand without help. I went back to the hospital and explained something was wrong. I was told to go to the waiting room.
There I was among women with huge bumps awaiting their induction plans.
I was too sick to care. It hurt to draw a full breath. Time went on and it seemed like forever, all the other women were called ahead of me to clear the antenatal appointments.
I ended up crouched over on the chair with sweat pouring off of me. A group of 3 traveller ladies came into the waiting room. The older lady asked me was I having back labour. I said no I had a miscarriage but something was wrong.
They asked had I been left waiting long. I said it's been ages, that the room was full when I arrived and now it was just me, them and another woman.
A midwife came in and called in that other woman for her appointment.
The traveller lady said that I had a bluey look on my skin and that she was worried. The two younger women went out to the hallway and asked that someone help me. A midwife came in and said I'd be called shortly.
More time passed and I wasn't very coherent anymore. This time those traveller women demanded I be taken care of. Within minutes I was seen by a doctor.
It turned out I had sepsis. I ended up gravely ill over the next 48 hours. I'll never be more thankful to those women who helped me. Nobody else in that waiting room even spoke to me. Those women who helped me that day are legends!

Day Lewin · 27-11-2017 12:01AM

end of the road wrote: »

it absolutely would yes. bad experiences or other reasons are just used as an excuse for that prejudice, the same happened with other minority groups in the past.
the difference is now that with other minority groups such as blacks and gays, prejudice is no longer tolerated and rightly so. the same will happen with travelers eventually.

We should certainly hope so.
Racism is a particularly vicious way of shrinking your own soul.

27-11-2017 12:05AM

Sweetemotion wrote: »

:rolleyes:

The big changes that need to be done is within the traveling community itself. This crap of blaming it the settled people is wrong,People are wary of them from their own personal experience.

More people have had bad experiences with the traveling community than good. Now imagine if that was reversed and more people had good experiences with them than bad. Do you think this current predijuce would exist?

Again, all the reports say the opposite, all of them point to travellers facing discrimination unlike any other group in Europe. And yet in Ireland we insist that they're all wrong and notwithstanding all the evidence that travellers face bigotry and intolerance from the time they are born (and there are few better forums for exposing that view than AH, where any post that says they're all scum, man, woman and child is bound to draw multiple likes) we insist they are to blame. If society treated my daughter like dirt from the day she went to school, I'd do a lot worse than distrusting the education system, not caring about rubbish on private property or respect for the road traffic rules.

Sweetemotion · 27-11-2017 12:23AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Again, all the reports say the opposite, all of them point to travellers facing discrimination unlike any other group in Europe. And yet in Ireland we insist that they're all wrong and notwithstanding all the evidence that travellers face bigotry and intolerance from the time they are born (and there are few better forums for exposing that view than AH, where any post that says they're all scum, man, woman and child is bound to draw multiple likes) we insist they are to blame. If society treated my daughter like dirt from the day she went to school, I'd do a lot worse than distrusting the education system, not caring about rubbish on private property or respect for the road traffic rules.

Stop talking rubbish.

Alot of people are discriminated against whether it's being fat, bald, ugly, poor or ginger. Respect is earned not granted.

All you are doing is creating an excuse for bad behaviour.

27-11-2017 12:35AM

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Stop talking rubbish.

Alot of people are discriminated against whether it's being fat, bald, ugly, poor or ginger. Respect is earned not granted.

All you are doing is creating an excuse for bad behaviour.

You think ginger people face the same discrimination as travellers!

There really is no need to comment or respond to that. I think the head in hands stuff is contained within the proposition.

But by all means tell your concerns to the EU and UN, maybe they'll analyse infant mortality, life expectancy, suicide rates, drug and alcohol dependency, discrimination, living standards etc. etc. amongst gingers.

beertons · 27-11-2017 12:39AM

They drive lovely cars for people who don't pay tax.

Sweetemotion · 27-11-2017 12:40AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You think ginger people face the same discrimination as travellers!

There really is no need to comment or respond to that. I think the head in hands stuff is contained within the proposition.

But by all means tell your concerns to the EU and UN, maybe they'll analyse infant mortality, life expectancy, suicide rates, drug and alcohol dependency, discrimination, living standards etc. etc. amongst gingers.

Maybe it's their culture causing infant mortality, life expectancy, suicide rates, drugs and alcohol dependency.

A culture they feel entitled too and want continued.

Gingers have no such culture and have to get on with life without anyone telling them it's all somebody's else's fault.

mikemac2 · 27-11-2017 12:44AM

They help farmers get a good nights sleep by checking the cattle in the shed. That must be why they visit farmyards in the middle of the night

NegativeCreep · 27-11-2017 12:47AM

Went to school with this one traveller girl in primary school who was the most polite and quiet girl you could ever meet. She was lovely and extremely smart. Pity she didn’t get to further her education.

Sweetemotion · 27-11-2017 12:51AM

NegativeCreep wrote: »

Went to school with this one traveller girl in primary school who was the most polite and quiet girl you could ever meet. She was lovely and extremely smart. Pity she didn’t get to further her education.

Society was helping this girl. It's a pity her culture stopped her going further.

This is what has to change.

myshirt · 27-11-2017 12:53AM

I have known many travellers and what I admire about them is their strong commitment to family. The women are very strong women, they are decent people who want the best for their children.

Without a doubt I have met more slippery f#ckers in my corporate life and through the public service lifers I crossed swords with, than I ever met in the travelling community.

Day Lewin · 27-11-2017 01:01AM

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Alot of people are discriminated against whether it's being fat, bald, ugly, poor or ginger. Respect is earned not granted.

This is really a very poor beginning for human rights.
Respect is granted to humans simply because they are human beings.
You don't have to earn the right to be treated with that dignity.
Whether fat or ugly, or smart or stupid - or rich or poor - it starts with dignity.
Take a look at the burgeoning race hatred in the United States!
Its got almost nothing at all to do with how immigrants or black people or Mexicans really act. Far more to do with fear, distrust and triumphalism.

Ugly stuff. Default setting should always be dignity and respect. This is so obvious that it shouldn't need repeating in this day and age. It starts at home. Travellers are our fellow citizens. They deserve the same rights (and duties) as all other citizens, not abuse, ostracism, and race hatred.

I don't say this to condone unacceptable behaviour: travellers should, and do, go to jail for crimes like any other guilty party.
But those who are not guilty must be presumed innocent; and we can help our fellow citizens to achieve an education.
and I'm glad to say, this is gradually changing - the use of facebook does require literacy!

27-11-2017 01:02AM

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Maybe it's their culture causing infant mortality, life expectancy, suicide rates, drugs and alcohol dependency.

A culture they feel entitled too and want continued.

Gingers have no such culture and have to get on with life without anyone telling them it's all somebody's else's fault.

Again with the equivalence of issues gingers face with the issues travellers face.

You know what, you really should get on to your TD and complain that the equality and discrimination legislation that refers to the abuse of travellers, homosexuals etc. should be broadened to include gingers, as you think their travails are the same.

Sweetemotion · 27-11-2017 01:12AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Again with the equivalence of issues gingers face with the issues travellers face.

You know what, you really should get on to your TD and complain that the equality and discrimination legislation that refers to the abuse of travellers, homosexuals etc. should be broadened to include gingers, as you think their travails are the same.

I just think that you should stop making people feel like victims and that the whole world is against them.

That does no good to anybody.

Say you have two kids growing up together and tell one he could be anything he wanted and the other that everyone is against him. They could be the same race creed and religion.

Which one would be angry against society?

JP Liz V1 · 27-11-2017 01:14AM

One won CBB

They love their women

Fann Linn · 27-11-2017 01:19AM

They're partial to Wunder bras.

Sweetemotion · 27-11-2017 01:19AM

Day Lewin wrote: »

This is really a very poor beginning for human rights.
Respect is granted to humans simply because they are human beings.
You don't have to earn the right to be treated with that dignity.
Whether fat or ugly, or smart or stupid - or rich or poor - it starts with dignity.
Take a look at the burgeoning race hatred in the United States!
Its got almost nothing at all to do with how immigrants or black people or Mexicans really act. Far more to do with fear, distrust and triumphalism.

Ugly stuff. Default setting should always be dignity and respect. This is so obvious that it shouldn't need repeating in this day and age. It starts at home. Travellers are our fellow citizens. They deserve the same rights (and duties) as all other citizens, not abuse, ostracism, and race hatred.

I don't say this to condone unacceptable behaviour: travellers should, and do, go to jail for crimes like any other guilty party.
But those who are not guilty must be presumed innocent; and we can help our fellow citizens to achieve an education.
and I'm glad to say, this is gradually changing - the use of facebook does require literacy!

Who is putting this fear distrust and tribalism into these young people?

end of the road · 27-11-2017 01:25AM

Sweetemotion wrote: »

I just think that you should stop making people feel like victims and that the whole world is against them.

That does no good to anybody.

Say you have two kids growing up together and tell one he could be anything he wanted and the other that everyone is against him. They could be the same race creed and religion.

Which one would be angry against society?

the fact is travelers face discrimination unmatched by any other group, according to the UN and council of europe. this fact cannot be denied.

Stoner · 27-11-2017 01:37AM

I spent a Summer wiring their houses in the 1990s

Had issues with stuff being taken off the walls, but that was all.

They were a decent bunch I had no issues, bit of standard gamesmanship but I always saw that as standard stuff.

I was given advice years ago to always let a Traveller know you know who you are dealing with. I had my toolbox by my side 24/7

I found them to be straightforward.

I worked in far less welcoming areas in Dublin and Limerick and never felt unwelcome. That was on two sites for a couple of months.

27-11-2017 01:43AM

NegativeCreep wrote: »

Went to school with this one traveller girl in primary school who was the most polite and quiet girl you could ever meet. She was lovely and extremely smart. Pity she didn’t get to further her education.

A traveller girl in my class in secondary school was very smart too. Very nice girl.

Lucky for her she has a very supportive family. She went to college after school and opened up her own beauty salon there last year. It’s seems to be doing very well.

Let's say something nice about Travellers

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